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The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

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If this whole UAH in or out debate is really about money and making at most one trip a year down there (and you won't have to every year) there really isn't any debate to be had. Even if the cost of the trip is $10,000, that might be a lot of money for Joe Blow on the street but for a D-I hockey program?? If you can't find an extra $10k for your travel budget, maybe you shouldn't be in D-I hockey? I think the value of putting the WCHA in another market/region alone is worth whatever the cost would be of getting down there for a couple games. We (fans) have been hashing and reshashing this debate for months, but it seems that all we talk about is dollars. I hope the people actually "in the room" are looking at the bigger picture. There are plenty of ways to make/save money (many have been suggested here), but there are items that the addition of UAH to the WCHA will bring that you can't put a price on...
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If you don't have an extra $10,000 in your travel budget...First $10K is a low estimate on the difference in flying to Huntsville vs bussing to Bemidji, especially when you are looking at about $15,000 in air travel alone plus an extra days meals plus an extra night in a hotel plus ground transportation while you are in the Rocket City. Now also remember that Tech, Bemidji and Mankato will no longer have that fat WCHA tournament checks to cash to help foot the bill. I'm all for admitting UAH. It's a good school, a very nice town (and I've been there many times), has a nicely renovated arena and is a pretty hockey savvy market. But ask any coach, would you rather spend that $10,000 on recruiting, improved travel for your team on your other trips, or going to Huntsville? Guess how many would rather allocate it to Huntsville? No one is jumping to donate a portion of their revenue to the Save Huntsville fund. No one is offering up the opportunity to put their team on a 20 hour bus ride either. Now if Huntsville, like the Alaskas, can contribute enough to offset the additional cost, then by all means, bring them in. If not, they don't stand a chance.

Now what exactly are these items that UAH would bring to the WCHA that you can't put a price on? And maybe you can't put a price on it, but if you can't show that value to coaches, ADs and Presidents, you're gonna have a real hard time selling it.

I wish it were different. I hope Huntsville has presented a viable proposal and would love to see them in the WCHA.

Of course, because the WCHA is the last chance, they'll be the bad guy if they don't accept them. Hockey East, the AHA, the NCHC could all reasonably offer them a spot, and all have not done so, and for all the same reasons that the WCHA would balk as well.

And just random thought...you ask that these schools give of their revenues to support Huntsville hockey. How much of your revenue have you given to UAH to help support their program? $20? $50 $100? And if not, why would you ask a coach to give up his budget, when you won't do the same?
 
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Budget concerns are a very real issue for the Misfit Toys. There is very little question that total attendance is going to be down significantly, and some schools were barely getting by as it was. MSU is already discussing what to do about ticket pricing for next year, under the concern that people aren't going to be as willing to pay for a game against LSSU or Ferris as they were for one against Minnesota, North Dakota, or Wisconsin.

I would bet Bemidji State is doing the same thing. Travel costs going up, ticket revenue going down. BSU is going to be going back to the travel like the day in the CHA, we will see if ticket prices go back to that level.

This already on top of the budget issues the Athletic Department is already having...... BSU has never had that fat WCHA Tournament Check coming in. As part of their admit to the WCHA, they had/have to pay $200,000 a year for three years in admit fees and not partake in any of the Tournament Revenue during that "probation" period. Once that probation period is over, poof, the WCHA ends up getting a makeover.
 
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If you don't have an extra $10,000 in your travel budget...First $10K is a low estimate on the difference in flying to Huntsville vs bussing to Bemidji, especially when you are looking at about $15,000 in air travel alone plus an extra days meals plus an extra night in a hotel plus ground transportation while you are in the Rocket City. Now also remember that Tech, Bemidji and Mankato will no longer have that fat WCHA tournament checks to cash to help foot the bill. I'm all for admitting UAH. It's a good school, a very nice town (and I've been there many times), has a nicely renovated arena and is a pretty hockey savvy market. But ask any coach, would you rather spend that $10,000 on recruiting, improved travel for your team on your other trips, or going to Huntsville? Guess how many would rather allocate it to Huntsville? No one is jumping to donate a portion of their revenue to the Save Huntsville fund. No one is offering up the opportunity to put their team on a 20 hour bus ride either. Now if Huntsville, like the Alaskas, can contribute enough to offset the additional cost, then by all means, bring them in. If not, they don't stand a chance.
Wait, why on earth would there be extra meals and an extra night in a hotel compared to some other trip?
 
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Wait, why on earth would there be extra meals and an extra night in a hotel compared to some other trip?

The longer the trip, the earlier they leave. MSU left yesterday (Wednesday) to go to UAA. On a trip to BSU, MN, SCSU, etc. they would either leave Thursday night or Friday morning. The same is going to go with UAH.
 
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The longer the trip, the earlier they leave. MSU left yesterday (Wednesday) to go to UAA. On a trip to BSU, MN, SCSU, etc. they would either leave Thursday night or Friday morning. The same is going to go with UAH.
You can't leave on Wednesday for a trip to UAH, its only allowed on UAA/UAF. Michigan Tech doesn't leave on Wednesday to go to CC or Denver and I highly doubt anyone would leave on Wednesday for Huntsville even if it was allowed.
 
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Wait, why on earth would there be extra meals and an extra night in a hotel compared to some other trip?
Because there are no postgame flights out of Huntsville on Saturday. The best you can do is to fly Sunday, so you need a place for players to stay on Saturday night, and meals on Sunday.
 
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Because there are no postgame flights out of Huntsville on Saturday. The best you can do is to fly Sunday, so you need a place for players to stay on Saturday night, and meals on Sunday.
Ah, ok, but that's assuming we don't charter a flight?
 
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What goes on at one of these votes? Is it like a jury trial where the review the information and then vote? or do they just go and vote
 
Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Todd Milewski on Twitter is saying UAH has been admitted to the WCHA for next season
 
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Ah, ok, but that's assuming we don't charter a flight?
that's correct. In fact depending on the trip you might be able to save the rooms and meals etc for a day on both ends. That would be say 15 rooms at 75 each,x 2 nights= 2250, plus 3 meals per day x 27x 18 per meal= 1458 for a total of 3708. You would most likely not save this at HSV however.

Also, i'd be surprised if in Michigan at least attendance goes down. Yes having the old WCHA was nice, but the reality was attendance depends on winning more so than who the team plays. THis might be an issue more so in minnesota and I'm sure some alumni are complaining, but really you are still getting most of the same teams only as non con games are you not?. it seems to me the teams that will struggle more so after this are going to be the teams in colorado because I don't see wcha teams going there and I don't see big ten teams going there very often.So after that Cornell fiasco in denver what ECAC teams are going and what does that leave, not much is what.
 
Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Awesome news. Congrats to UAH. Hopefully this also means the Alaska playoff B.S. will be dumped as well.
 
Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Awesome news. Congrats to UAH. Hopefully this also means the Alaska playoff B.S. will be dumped as well.
I have a feeling that will still happen for 1 year until they see how attendance and $$ from the tournament are before changing that, and I don't blame them.
 
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Just curious, does Tech fly commercial or charter to Denvr, CC and Anchorage? We went to Denver a couple years back, and the cost if charter would have been far greater than commercial.
Tech goes commercial if I'm not mistaken. Generally charter costs are quite high, BUT, for a one off deal like that you are chartering a jet, double the cost, then you are paying for it to fly there empty, and fly home empty too, double or maybe triple again, the SWC has a dedicated charter company that devotes assets strictly to them, thus the empty costs are minimal.
 
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