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The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

I'm not surprised where NMU landed, playing .500 hockey and winning in '91 keeps us continually as a top 20 program. Just like our PWR, we're always close enough, but never good enough for an invite.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Clarkson went undefeated in '55-'56 (23-0-0). As for more of the in depth specifics, you would have to ask someone else, but I believe you are at least somewhat close on the details.
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As I understand it the NCAA did not, at that time, only allowed 3 years eligibility for tournament participants. Clarkson had several freshman play throughout the season, but would not have been allowed to play then during the tournament. Rather than go to the tournament without their freshman, Clarkson declined to participate.

My understanding may be a little fuzzy, but I think that's about right.
 
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drshoen said:
As I understand it the NCAA did not, at that time, only allowed 3 years eligibility for tournament participants. Clarkson had several freshman play throughout the season, but would not have been allowed to play then during the tournament. Rather than go to the tournament without their freshman, Clarkson declined to participate.

My understanding may be a little fuzzy, but I think that's about right.
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From the Clarkson Web Site:

"Under the guidance of head coach Bill Harrison, the Knights skaters of 1955-56, posted a phenomenal 23-0 record and were Tri-State League Champs. The team was the first Clarkson team to be invited to the NCAA Championships. The Knights, however, refused to go. Clarkson had eight seniors who were four-year varsity players and under NCAA rules were ineligible. The team voted not to go without them and turned down the NCAA bid."
 
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RPI comes in at #16. The Engineers have made 8 trips to the NCAA Tournament, including 5 Frozen Four appearances. Their two most successful runs came in 1954 and 1985. The '85 team being one of the best title teams in history. There has been a bit of a drought for the Engineers, as they haven't made the NCAA Tournament since 1995. That looks to change this year, as RPI has put itself in position to make it back to the NCAA Tournament. If that type of season become a little more common for RPI, perhaps they can move up on this list, but for now, they sit at #16.

#16 Rensselaer - 98.2167 Points
#17 Bowling Green - 79.7674 Points
#18 Northern Michigan - 79.3272 Points
#19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
#20 Minnesota Duluth - 66.5522 Points
#21 St. Lawrence - 64.6435 Points
#22 Providence - 37.9103 Points
#23 Miami - 36.9575 Points
#24 Dartmouth - 35.143 Points
#25 Notre Dame - 33.5788 Points
#26 Yale - 29.1241 Points
#27 Colgate - 27.7915 Points
#28 Northeastern - 24.5696 Points
#29 Brown - 18.3317 Points
#30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
#31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
#32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
#33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
#34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
#35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
#36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
#37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
#38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
#39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
#40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
#41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
#42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
#43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
#44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
#45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
#46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
#47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
#48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
#49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 Points
#50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
#51 Army - 1.3604 Points
#52 Union - 0.6174 Points
#53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
#54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
#55 Bentley - .0279 Points
#56 Robert Morris - .0245 Points
#57 Canisius - .0205 Points
#58 American International - .0061 Points
 
Very interesting. Never heard of this.
Puck Swami said:
From the Clarkson Web Site:

"Under the guidance of head coach Bill Harrison, the Knights skaters of 1955-56, posted a phenomenal 23-0 record and were Tri-State League Champs. The team was the first Clarkson team to be invited to the NCAA Championships. The Knights, however, refused to go. Clarkson had eight seniors who were four-year varsity players and under NCAA rules were ineligible. The team voted not to go without them and turned down the NCAA bid."
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NMUFAN21 said:
Yeah, but we should be higher then Tech (no offense MTU fans)
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I think you should have a deeper look at the history book. Tech's period of excellence in the 60s and 70s was far longer and and deeper than NMU's period of excellence. The three NCAA title banners won by MTU are getting musty to be sure these days, but you simply cannot discount the substantial contribution of MTU to the college game. In the long sweep of the last 60+ years of sanctioned NCAA play, there was a 20 year period where coach MacInnes had built MTU into an elite program in a difficult location, with a limited academic offer and little media coverage -- it's nothing short of amazing.
 
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Puck Swami said:
I think you should have a deeper look at the history book. Tech's period of excellence in the 60s and 70s was far longer and and deeper than NMU's period of excellence. The three NCAA title banners won by MTU are getting musty to be sure these days, but you simply cannot discount the substantial contribution of MTU to the college game. In the long sweep of the last 60+ years of sanctioned NCAA play, there was a 20 year period where coach MacInnes had built MTU into an elite program in a difficult location, with a limited academic offer and little media coverage -- it's nothing short of amazing.
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I saw them play DU when they had some great teams. It was interesting watching Murray and MacInnes go against each other with one trying to outfox the other on line match-ups, face-offs, etc. The last line change that the home team has was well used by both of them.
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Interesting to see RPI (2 national titles) behind Clarkson (none).
 
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I assume based on RPI's ranking that the number of posts by fans on the forum was not taken into account.
 
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Federal League said:
Interesting to see RPI (2 national titles) ahead of Clarkson (none).
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I would argue that this means that RPI is behind Clarkson.

This just goes to show the Obvious Error in the methodology. Everyone KNOWS that there is nothing where RPI is second to Clarkson. :D
 
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TuteScrooge said:
I would argue that this means that RPI is behind Clarkson.

This just goes to show the Obvious Error in the methodology. Everyone KNOWS that there is nothing where RPI is second to Clarkson. :D
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Yeah, I just edited my post. I'm not good with numbers like you engineers. :p
 
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Erix_The_Red said:
Boom!
Feel free to point out errors. Sorry for the formatting

Team-pts-1st year-yrs-pts/yr
Code: 
RIT				8.1655	2005	5	1.6331
Miami				36.9575	1978	32	1.1549
Bemidji State			11.4454	1999	11	1.0405
New Hampshire			77.4096	1924	86	0.9001
Minnesota Duluth		66.5522	1930	80	0.8319
St. Lawrence			64.6435	1925	85	0.7605
St. Cloud State			12.4129	1987	23	0.5397
Niagara				6.4381	1996	14	0.4599
Providence			37.9103	1926	84	0.4513
Vermont				15.8285	1974	36	0.4397
Ohio State			17.0403	1963	47	0.3626
Quinnipiac			3.8994	1999	11	0.3545
Mercyhurst			3.4680	2000	10	0.3468
Notre Dame			33.5788	1912	98	0.3426
Dartmouth			35.1430	1905	105	0.3347
Northeastern			24.5696	1929	81	0.3033
Colgate				27.7915	1915	95	0.2925
UMass Lowell			7.1081	1984	26	0.2734
Ferris State			7.8912	1979	31	0.2546
Yale				29.1241	1895	115	0.2533
Nebraska Omaha			2.9092	1997	13	0.2238
Massachusetts			3.0035	1993	17	0.1767
Alabama Huntsville		1.9469	1998	12	0.1622
Brown				18.3317	1897	113	0.1622
Alaska Anchorage		4.8361	1979	31	0.1560
Western Michigan		5.3974	1975	35	0.1542
Merrimack			3.1402	1984	26	0.1208
Alaska				2.9892	1985	25	0.1196
Holy Cross			4.8647	1966	44	0.1106
Air Force			4.1704	1968	42	0.0993
Minnesota State			2.3131	1969	41	0.0564
Princeton			5.1729	1900	110	0.0470
Union				0.6174	1991	19	0.0325
UConn				0.1921	1998	12	0.0160
Army				1.3604	1903	107	0.0127
Sacred Heart			0.1703	1993	17	0.0100
Robert Morris			0.0245	2004	6	0.0041
Bentley				0.0279	1999	11	0.0025
Canisius			0.0205	1998	12	0.0017
American International		0.0061	1948	62	null
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Try this
 
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Harvard comes in at #15. Harvard has 21 NCAA Tournament appearances (t-8th), along with 12 Frozen Fours (t-7th). Their dream season was their 1988-1989 campaign which saw the Crimson advance to the National Championship and play Minnesota in St. Paul. Harvard won in overtime to capture its only title to date. Harvard has been consistent as well. They have an NCAA appearance in every decade, except the 1940s. The last few years have not been kind to Harvard, and if that continue you can expect Harvard to slide down this list. For now, they are a top 15 team of All-Time.

#15 Harvard - 118.8879 Points
#16 Rensselaer - 98.2167 Points
#17 Bowling Green - 79.7674 Points
#18 Northern Michigan - 79.3272 Points
#19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
#20 Minnesota Duluth - 66.5522 Points
#21 St. Lawrence - 64.6435 Points
#22 Providence - 37.9103 Points
#23 Miami - 36.9575 Points
#24 Dartmouth - 35.143 Points
#25 Notre Dame - 33.5788 Points
#26 Yale - 29.1241 Points
#27 Colgate - 27.7915 Points
#28 Northeastern - 24.5696 Points
#29 Brown - 18.3317 Points
#30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
#31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
#32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
#33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
#34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
#35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
#36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
#37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
#38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
#39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
#40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
#41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
#42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
#43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
#44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
#45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
#46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
#47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
#48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
#49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 Points
#50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
#51 Army - 1.3604 Points
#52 Union - 0.6174 Points
#53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
#54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
#55 Bentley - .0279 Points
#56 Robert Morris - .0245 Points
#57 Canisius - .0205 Points
#58 American International - .0061 Points
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

the long-winded explanation.

Puck Swami said:
From the Clarkson Web Site:

"Under the guidance of head coach Bill Harrison, the Knights skaters of 1955-56, posted a phenomenal 23-0 record and were Tri-State League Champs. The team was the first Clarkson team to be invited to the NCAA Championships. The Knights, however, refused to go. Clarkson had eight seniors who were four-year varsity players and under NCAA rules were ineligible. The team voted not to go without them and turned down the NCAA bid."
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the time-saving explanation.

Puck Swami said:
From the Clarkson Web Site:

"Cheated."
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I also don't think it hurts that at least up to 2 years ago Clarkson had the best all-time winning percentage in Division I. I must admit though that I'm surprised to see them ahead of Harvard. It'd be even more surprising to see them ahead of Cornell.
 
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