The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

[UML]

These threads are often cool, but didn't we just have one last off-season? Why not wait until the next off-season to do another?

I say we should have threads like these all year.

 

[hockeyenthusiast]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

I haven't been around college hockey for long, but could one of you explain to me why is it that UMD is above St. Lawrence in this rankings?

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

At this point we know that winning a title is very important for points.

I hope Tech is in the top 10, just to see peoples' heads asplode.

 

[alfablue]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

I hope Tech is in the top 10, just to see peoples' heads asplode.

VERY, very possible, Tech has more NC's than 7 of the 17. And based on the 3's- I *bet* the scoring will have Tech at 9 and Lake State at 10 at least- what will really be interesting is if Tech is above MSU, since they both have 3, Tech has a better FF record, but State has been to the tournament 17 more times.

 

[alfablue]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

I haven't been around college hockey for long, but could one of you explain to me why is it that UMD is above St. Lawrence in this rankings?

FS23 has posted that the equation will be posted after #1 has been posted.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Northern Michigan comes in at #18. The Wildcats have made the NCAA Tournament 8 times, but none were more memorable, or impressive, as their 1991 run. Northern was dominant that year, and averaged nearly 7 goals/game in the NCAA Tournament. The followed that up with another two NCAA Appearances, but failed to get back to the Frozen Four. Northern Michigan eventually switched back to the CCHA, and has been fairly consistent since then. They've made two more NCAA Appearances, and have had only 1 losing season since their coming back to the CCHA.

#18 Northern Michigan - 79.3272 Points
#19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
#20 Minnesota Duluth - 66.5522 Points
#21 St. Lawrence - 64.6435 Points
#22 Providence - 37.9103 Points
#23 Miami - 36.9575 Points
#24 Dartmouth - 35.143 Points
#25 Notre Dame - 33.5788 Points
#26 Yale - 29.1241 Points
#27 Colgate - 27.7915 Points
#28 Northeastern - 24.5696 Points
#29 Brown - 18.3317 Points
#30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
#31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
#32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
#33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
#34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
#35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
#36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
#37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
#38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
#39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
#40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
#41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
#42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
#43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
#44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
#45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
#46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
#47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
#48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
#49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 Points
#50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
#51 Army - 1.3604 Points
#52 Union - 0.6174 Points
#53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
#54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
#55 Bentley - .0279 Points
#56 Robert Morris - .0245 Points
#57 Canisius - .0205 Points
#58 American International - .0061 Points

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

NMU < Clarkson

 

[alfablue]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Northern Michigan comes in at #18.

Interesting..... Now I have less of a feel for how the equation works. I didn't see Clarkson and UNH as *that* different, but apparently they are.

 

[Erix_The_Red]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Not in that regard. I was debating about using a formula I use for World Cup Soccer, which accounts for success/cup. I eventually decided against doing so. My thought process was that since this is for "all-time", programs with more history should get some sort of advantage. What could easily be done though, is you could take the amount of points a team has, and divide by the number of years that they have played D-1 hockey. Then you could rank by who has the highest points/year.

Boom!
Feel free to point out errors. Sorry for the formatting

Team-pts-1st year-yrs-pts/yr
RIT-8.1655-2005-5-1.6331
Miami-36.9575-1978-32-1.154921875
Bemidji State-11.4454-1999-11-1.040490909
New Hampshire-77.4096-1924-86-0.900111628
Minnesota Duluth-66.5522-1930-80-0.8319025
St. Lawrence-64.6435-1925-85-0.760511765
St. Cloud State-12.4129-1987-23-0.539691304
Niagara-6.4381-1996-14-0.459864286
Providence-37.9103-1926-84-0.451313095
Vermont-15.8285-1974-36-0.439680556
Ohio State-17.0403-1963-47-0.362559574
Quinnipiac-3.8994-1999-11-0.354490909
Mercyhurst-3.468-2000-10-0.3468
Notre Dame-33.5788-1912-98-0.342640816
Dartmouth-35.143-1905-105-0.334695238
Northeastern-24.5696-1929-81-0.303328395
Colgate-27.7915-1915-95-0.292542105
UMass Lowell-7.1081-1984-26-0.273388462
Ferris State-7.8912-1979-31-0.254554839
Yale- 29.1241-1895-115-0.253253043
Nebraska Omaha-2.9092-1997-13-0.223784615
Massachusetts-3.0035-1993-17-0.176676471
Alabama Huntsville-1.9469-1998-12-0.162241667
Brown-18.3317-1897-113-0.162227434
Alaska Anchorage-4.8361-1979-31-0.156003226
Western Michigan-5.3974-1975-35-0.154211429
Merrimack-3.1402-1984-26-0.120776923
Alaska-2.9892-1985-25-0.119568
Holy Cross-4.8647-1966-44-0.110561364
Air Force-4.1704-1968-42-0.099295238
Minnesota State-2.3131-1969-41-0.056417073
Princeton-5.1729-1900-110-0.047026364
Union-0.6174-1991-19-0.032494737
UConn-0.1921-1998-12-0.016008333
Army-1.3604-1903-107-0.012714019
Sacred Heart-0.1703-1993-17-0.010017647
Robert Morris-0.0245-2004-6-0.004083333
Bentley-0.0279-1999-11-0.002536364
Canisius-0.0205-1998-12-0.001708333
American International-0.0061-1948-62-9.83871E-05

 

[Rhett]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Interesting..... Now I have less of a feel for how the equation works. I didn't see Clarkson and UNH as *that* different, but apparently they are.

There wasn't a big point jump from UNH to NMU. Clarkson could still be relatively close.

 

[alfablue]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

There wasn't a big point jump from UNH to NMU. Clarkson could still be relatively close.

Well, I was still going on the 82 point average (which still hasn't been reached), and thought that an NC would have kept Clarkson and UNH next to each other. That's my error.

 

[Rhett]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Boom!
Feel free to point out errors. Sorry for the formatting

Some teams dropped from D-I to a lower division, only to return. AIC had the biggest time gap in question, between the ECAC reorganization and MAAC days. I think FS23 said that early incarnations of UMass hockey counted, so they'll need to be divided by a greater number of years. Notre Dame dropped their program for several years in the '80s, IIRC. Some of the oldest programs may have also missed a year here or there early in the 1900's, especially for WWI & WWII years.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

There wasn't a big point jump from UNH to NMU. Clarkson could still be relatively close.

Did I hear a rumor correctly that CCT once had an undefeated regular season, but chose not to participate in the playoffs because of the 3-year eligibility rule where freshmen had been invited to play up for the playoffs 3 years before?

 

[unofan]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

At this point we know that winning a title is very important for points.

But only official ones - the Mythical titles from the pre-NCAA days clearly don't count at all. (why yes, that is when my school racked up lots of wins and records).

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

But only official ones - the Mythical titles from the pre-NCAA days clearly don't count at all. (why yes, that is when my school racked up lots of wins and records).

Good point. Minnesota would have two more titles if that were the case.

 

[state of hockey]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

But only official ones - the Mythical titles from the pre-NCAA days clearly don't count at all. (why yes, that is when my school racked up lots of wins and records).

Minnesota is in the same boat. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Bowling Green comes in at #17. The Falcons first 18 years were arguably one of the best starts to a program, making 9 trips to the NCAA Tournament, along with 2 to the Frozen Four. Their glory came in the 1984 Tournament when Jerry York lead the Falcons to the NCAA Title, edging Duluth in 4 overtimes. Unfortunately for Bowling Green, the limelight has passed, and Bowling Green is on a downward trend. They have not made the NCAAs since 1990, and haven't had a winning season in nearly 15 years. If they continue this slide, look for Bowling Green to drop out of the top 20 in the next few seasons.

#17 Bowling Green - 79.7674 Points
#18 Northern Michigan - 79.3272 Points
#19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
#20 Minnesota Duluth - 66.5522 Points
#21 St. Lawrence - 64.6435 Points
#22 Providence - 37.9103 Points
#23 Miami - 36.9575 Points
#24 Dartmouth - 35.143 Points
#25 Notre Dame - 33.5788 Points
#26 Yale - 29.1241 Points
#27 Colgate - 27.7915 Points
#28 Northeastern - 24.5696 Points
#29 Brown - 18.3317 Points
#30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
#31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
#32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
#33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
#34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
#35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
#36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
#37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
#38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
#39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
#40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
#41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
#42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
#43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
#44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
#45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
#46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
#47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
#48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
#49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 Points
#50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
#51 Army - 1.3604 Points
#52 Union - 0.6174 Points
#53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
#54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
#55 Bentley - .0279 Points
#56 Robert Morris - .0245 Points
#57 Canisius - .0205 Points
#58 American International - .0061 Points

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Did I hear a rumor correctly that CCT once had an undefeated regular season, but chose not to participate in the playoffs because of the 3-year eligibility rule where freshmen had been invited to play up for the playoffs 3 years before?

Clarkson went undefeated in '55-'56 (23-0-0). As for more of the in depth specifics, you would have to ask someone else, but I believe you are at least somewhat close on the details.

 

[alfablue]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

that tells me that there's no chance that Tech will be above State. The question then will be if Lake State and Tech are above other schools with only 2 championships.

 

[Erix_The_Red]

Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Some teams dropped from D-I to a lower division, only to return. AIC had the biggest time gap in question, between the ECAC reorganization and MAAC days. I think FS23 said that early incarnations of UMass hockey counted, so they'll need to be divided by a greater number of years. Notre Dame dropped their program for several years in the '80s, IIRC. Some of the oldest programs may have also missed a year here or there early in the 1900's, especially for WWI & WWII years.

I didn't want to do actual work