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The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

fs23- now I'm REALLY looking forward how this is calculated. Super interesting developments here.

Incredible work- so much more than I would have apparently thought of!
 
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Clarkson comes in at #14. Clarkson has made 20 NCAA Tournament appearances, along with 7 Frozen Fours. In three of those trips (1962, 1966, 1970), Clarkson made the National Title game, only to fall short. The Golden Knights are the only school to appear in 3 title games without winning it all. Clarkson also has the second best winning percentage in the history of college hockey. They have been consistent as well, appearing in at least one NCAA Tournament every decade except for the 1940s. Clarkson will need to keep up their winning ways, or perhaps win a title to maintain their position. They are arguably the greatest Regular Season team in the history of college hockey, and if they had won a title or two, they would be higher on this list. For now, they are #14.

#14 Clarkson - 124.5689 Points
#15 Harvard - 118.8879 Points
#16 Rensselaer - 98.2167 Points
#17 Bowling Green - 79.7674 Points
#18 Northern Michigan - 79.3272 Points
#19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
#20 Minnesota Duluth - 66.5522 Points
#21 St. Lawrence - 64.6435 Points
#22 Providence - 37.9103 Points
#23 Miami - 36.9575 Points
#24 Dartmouth - 35.143 Points
#25 Notre Dame - 33.5788 Points
#26 Yale - 29.1241 Points
#27 Colgate - 27.7915 Points
#28 Northeastern - 24.5696 Points
#29 Brown - 18.3317 Points
#30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
#31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
#32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
#33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
#34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
#35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
#36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
#37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
#38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
#39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
#40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
#41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
#42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
#43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
#44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
#45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
#46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
#47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
#48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
#49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 Points
#50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
#51 Army - 1.3604 Points
#52 Union - 0.6174 Points
#53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
#54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
#55 Bentley - .0279 Points
#56 Robert Morris - .0245 Points
#57 Canisius - .0205 Points
#58 American International - .0061 Points
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Fighting Sioux 23 said:
#14 Clarkson - 124.5689 Points
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#19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
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See, that's what's really making one think. 6 places, almost 50 points, no championships, and 5 NC's inbetween. LONG term consistency does have some very significant weight.
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

alfablue said:
fs23- now I'm REALLY looking forward how this is calculated. Super interesting developments here.

Incredible work- so much more than I would have apparently thought of!
Click to expand...

I agree with some unexpected results, and I'm very interested to see the formula. Regular season win % must hold some weight. My curiosities are as follows
Why Clarkson: 3 title games, 7 Frozen Fours, 20 NCAA Appearances, 13 NCAA wins, 10 Conference RS titles, 5 Conference tourney titles (the 10 Tri-State titles might weigh in as well)
...is so far ahead of New Hampshire: 2 Title games, 7 Frozen Fours, 20 NCAA Appearances, 15 NCAA wins, 8 Conference RS Titles, Conference tourney titles.
Actually, after typing that out, I'm guess it has to do with all-time win %, conference titles, and Clarkson longer history.

I also wonder why Clarkson is ahead of Harvard at all: 1 Nat'l Title, 3 Title games, 12 Frozen Fours, 21 NCAA Appearances, 14 NCAA wins, 10 Conference RS Titles, 8 Conference tourney titles.

I'm also wondering about the UMD: 1 Title game, 3 Frozen Fours, 6 NCAA appearances, 9 NCAA wins, 3 Conference RS titles, 3 conference tourney titles
Being ahead of St. Lawrence: 2 Title games, 9 Frozen Fours, 15 NCAA appearances, 5 NCAA wins (that might be the answer), 2 Conference RS titles, 6 conference tourney titles
and Providence: 1 title game, 3 Frozen Fours, 9 NCAA appearances, 9 NCAA wins, 2 conference RS titles, 4 conference tourney titles
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Titles aren't as weighted as I thought they may have been. This means UND ends up number one IMO.
 
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Cornell comes in at #13. The Big Red have an impressive resume, featuring 18 NCAA Appearances, 8 Frozen Fours, and 2 National Titles. Their signature season in 1970 ranks as one of, if not the greatest season any team has put together. That year Ned Harkness led Cornell to a 29-0-0 record and a National Championship. Cornell has also been very consistent, reaching the NCAA Tournament 18 times in 43 years, and making it at least once in every decade since the 60s. Cornell has won an impressive 12 conference tournaments, and has the 6th highest winning percentage of all-time. Cornell is a strong program, and while they haven't been outstanding this season, they will most likely be back in the Tournament soon.

#13 Cornell - 152.4499 Points
#14 Clarkson - 124.5689 Points
#15 Harvard - 118.8879 Points
#16 Rensselaer - 98.2167 Points
#17 Bowling Green - 79.7674 Points
#18 Northern Michigan - 79.3272 Points
#19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
#20 Minnesota Duluth - 66.5522 Points
#21 St. Lawrence - 64.6435 Points
#22 Providence - 37.9103 Points
#23 Miami - 36.9575 Points
#24 Dartmouth - 35.143 Points
#25 Notre Dame - 33.5788 Points
#26 Yale - 29.1241 Points
#27 Colgate - 27.7915 Points
#28 Northeastern - 24.5696 Points
#29 Brown - 18.3317 Points
#30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
#31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
#32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
#33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
#34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
#35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
#36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
#37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
#38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
#39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
#40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
#41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
#42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
#43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
#44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
#45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
#46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
#47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
#48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
#49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 Points
#50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
#51 Army - 1.3604 Points
#52 Union - 0.6174 Points
#53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
#54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
#55 Bentley - .0279 Points
#56 Robert Morris - .0245 Points
#57 Canisius - .0205 Points
#58 American International - .0061 Points
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Since LSSU is really just Tech's offspring, I think LSSU's and Tech's numbers should be added together, and the formula recalculated.
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

HumRsky said:
I agree with some unexpected results, and I'm very interested to see the formula. Regular season win % must hold some weight. My curiosities are as follows
Why Clarkson: 3 title games, 7 Frozen Fours, 20 NCAA Appearances, 13 NCAA wins, 10 Conference RS titles, 5 Conference tourney titles (the 10 Tri-State titles might weigh in as well)
...is so far ahead of New Hampshire: 2 Title games, 7 Frozen Fours, 20 NCAA Appearances, 15 NCAA wins, 8 Conference RS Titles, Conference tourney titles.
Actually, after typing that out, I'm guess it has to do with all-time win %, conference titles, and Clarkson longer history.

I also wonder why Clarkson is ahead of Harvard at all: 1 Nat'l Title, 3 Title games, 12 Frozen Fours, 21 NCAA Appearances, 14 NCAA wins, 10 Conference RS Titles, 8 Conference tourney titles.

I'm also wondering about the UMD: 1 Title game, 3 Frozen Fours, 6 NCAA appearances, 9 NCAA wins, 3 Conference RS titles, 3 conference tourney titles
Being ahead of St. Lawrence: 2 Title games, 9 Frozen Fours, 15 NCAA appearances, 5 NCAA wins (that might be the answer), 2 Conference RS titles, 6 conference tourney titles
and Providence: 1 title game, 3 Frozen Fours, 9 NCAA appearances, 9 NCAA wins, 2 conference RS titles, 4 conference tourney titles
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KRACH is better.
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

I think you need to add a swing for conference strength. WCHA teams getting lower rankings but they also go against 4 of the top programs on your list in DU, MN, UND and Wis. Maybe include a "record outside of conference stat" to add a few points.

Otherwise EXCELLENT work! I am enjoying reading your insight and the responses from others.

Thanks.
 
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Lake Superior State comes in at #12. The Lakers had one of the greatest stretches of any program from 1985-1996. During that stretch, the Lakers won 3 National Championships, played in a 4th Title game, went to the NCAA Tournament 10 times, and won 30+ games 7 times and 20+ games every season. Unfortunately for Laker fans, LSSU hasn't been back to the NCAA Tournament since, and has won 20+ games only once. LSSU will need to regain their earlier form if they want to move up in this list, otherwise it looks like the Lakers will continue to slide.

#12 Lake Superior State - 153.5872 Points
#13 Cornell - 152.4499 Points
#14 Clarkson - 124.5689 Points
#15 Harvard - 118.8879 Points
#16 Rensselaer - 98.2167 Points
#17 Bowling Green - 79.7674 Points
#18 Northern Michigan - 79.3272 Points
#19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
#20 Minnesota Duluth - 66.5522 Points
(for the rest of the list, check out earlier posts)
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Youngblood11 said:
I think you need to add a swing for conference strength. WCHA teams getting lower rankings but they also go against 4 of the top programs on your list in DU, MN, UND and Wis. Maybe include a "record outside of conference stat" to add a few points.

Otherwise EXCELLENT work! I am enjoying reading your insight and the responses from others.

Thanks.
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Exactly! This is greatest programs of all time #1-5? fs23 version. Waiting for the Youngblood11 version. This guy will post his formula after it's over. Taking all the guess work out of it. All he has left is to come up with a What if calculator.
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #58

Crap, Tech will be 1 away from top ten, unless a team like CC slips in behind them.
 
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Michigan Tech finishes at #11. The Huskies have made 10 trips to the NCAA Tournament, all of which resulted in Frozen Four appearances. They managed 3 Championships, coming in 1962, 1965 and 1975. They also played for the title in 1956, 1960, 1974 and 1976. Unfortunately for Michigan Tech, their luck seemed to run out after legendary coach John MacInnes retired. The program has not reached the NCAA Tournament since 1981 and have only 2 winning seasons since returning to the WCHA in 1984. Michigan Tech has a lot of great history, but if they are unable to turn their program around, they will likely continue falling on this list. For now, they sit at #11.

#11 Michigan Tech - 156.0076 Points
#12 Lake Superior State - 153.5872 Points
#13 Cornell - 152.4499 Points
#14 Clarkson - 124.5689 Points
#15 Harvard - 118.8879 Points
#16 Rensselaer - 98.2167 Points
#17 Bowling Green - 79.7674 Points
#18 Northern Michigan - 79.3272 Points
#19 New Hampshire - 77.4096 Points
#20 Minnesota Duluth - 66.5522 Points
 
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