Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Some people are never satisfied, no matter how much you try to please them, eh?
Some people are never satisfied, no matter how much you try to please them, eh?
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The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
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Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Great start here. Looking forward to the Top 25 and anticipating both George Gwozdecky and Murray "The Chief" Armstrong will be near the top.
Great start here. Looking forward to the Top 25 and anticipating both George Gwozdecky and Murray "The Chief" Armstrong will be near the top.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
So let the top 25 begin...
#25 Barry Thorndycraft
Coached at North Dakota from 1958-1964
Barry Thorndycraft coached six seasons at the University of North Dakota, and had two 20-win seasons. Those two years were quite special as they both resulted in National Championships. They were also the only two years that North Dakota made the NCAA Tournament during Thorndycraft's tenure. He is one of only two coaches in the top 25 to have never lost a Frozen Four game. His tenure started off with a bang, as Thorndycraft led the Sioux to the National Title over Michigan State. The Sioux then waited another four years before winning it all in '63 over Denver. While Thorndycraft had great NCAA success, he is hurt in this ranking, largely because he only coached for six seasons. With plenty of active coaches on the verge of jumping into the top 25, look for Thorndycraft to enjoy a short stay in this spot.
Points: 88.92
So let the top 25 begin...
#25 Barry Thorndycraft
Coached at North Dakota from 1958-1964
Barry Thorndycraft coached six seasons at the University of North Dakota, and had two 20-win seasons. Those two years were quite special as they both resulted in National Championships. They were also the only two years that North Dakota made the NCAA Tournament during Thorndycraft's tenure. He is one of only two coaches in the top 25 to have never lost a Frozen Four game. His tenure started off with a bang, as Thorndycraft led the Sioux to the National Title over Michigan State. The Sioux then waited another four years before winning it all in '63 over Denver. While Thorndycraft had great NCAA success, he is hurt in this ranking, largely because he only coached for six seasons. With plenty of active coaches on the verge of jumping into the top 25, look for Thorndycraft to enjoy a short stay in this spot.
Points: 88.92
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
The title of this thread is the problem: "The greatest coaches of all time" title is both excessively grandiose and comically provincial. Judging by outraged responses the title should read, "The greatest NCAA Division I United States men's college ice hockey head coaches of the modern era as measured by subjectively assigned numerical rankings."
That should put an end to the ruffled feathers.
The title of this thread is the problem: "The greatest coaches of all time" title is both excessively grandiose and comically provincial. Judging by outraged responses the title should read, "The greatest NCAA Division I United States men's college ice hockey head coaches of the modern era as measured by subjectively assigned numerical rankings."
That should put an end to the ruffled feathers.
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Given that this thread is already in the NCAA Division 1 United States Men's College Ice Hockey Forum, it would be idiotically redundant to include that in the thread title.
Given that this thread is already in the NCAA Division 1 United States Men's College Ice Hockey Forum, it would be idiotically redundant to include that in the thread title.
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
If, to a literate reader, "USCHO" stands for " digitized comparison NCAA Division I men's modern era college ice hockey coaches," your point is well taken. But it never hurts to explain exactly what you are talking about.
A more precisely stated "Greatest . . . " would have eliminated much of the off-topic bickering, but I'm probably missing the purpose of this forum.
If, to a literate reader, "USCHO" stands for " digitized comparison NCAA Division I men's modern era college ice hockey coaches," your point is well taken. But it never hurts to explain exactly what you are talking about.
A more precisely stated "Greatest . . . " would have eliminated much of the off-topic bickering, but I'm probably missing the purpose of this forum.
Fighting Sioux 23
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USCHO = United States College Hockey Online
This is their Fan Forum.
This is the Men's NCAA Division 1 section of that forum.
Sorry if you failed to understand that. It's tough...I know.
USCHO = United States College Hockey Online
This is their Fan Forum.
This is the Men's NCAA Division 1 section of that forum.
Sorry if you failed to understand that. It's tough...I know.
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
It is an impressive amount and quality of work. I appreciate it.
to many people, "greatest" implies more than just winning records; as you yourself noted it cannot fully be measured with available accessible data. People, including self, have become a little silly....
["nits" once were another word for "lice" and so nit-picking actually was a helpful friendly gesture....at one time.....]
It also is true that for a wide swath of the population, winning is not everything it is the only thing; for them these would indeed be the 'greatest' coaches of all time.
However, when I look at college basketball, to have a formula that says "greatest" that only measures wins, losses, tournament appearances, and all the other items of your formula, yet does not include graduation rates or post-college criminal convictions, a formula that would closely equate a Calipari or Calhoun or Knight with a Smith or a Wooden....well you know that I'm not the only one that thinks "greatest" goes beyond numerical metrics alone.....
It is an impressive amount and quality of work. I appreciate it.
to many people, "greatest" implies more than just winning records; as you yourself noted it cannot fully be measured with available accessible data. People, including self, have become a little silly....
["nits" once were another word for "lice" and so nit-picking actually was a helpful friendly gesture....at one time.....]
It also is true that for a wide swath of the population, winning is not everything it is the only thing; for them these would indeed be the 'greatest' coaches of all time.
However, when I look at college basketball, to have a formula that says "greatest" that only measures wins, losses, tournament appearances, and all the other items of your formula, yet does not include graduation rates or post-college criminal convictions, a formula that would closely equate a Calipari or Calhoun or Knight with a Smith or a Wooden....well you know that I'm not the only one that thinks "greatest" goes beyond numerical metrics alone.....
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And I bet FS23 would not be offended what so ever if you did your own list that follows YOUR crieteria and not his.
So go for it.
And I bet FS23 would not be offended what so ever if you did your own list that follows YOUR crieteria and not his.
So go for it.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Thank you for your appreciation. As I said before though, my formula accounts for far more than just winning records. There are always going to be elements to, in this case coaching, that don't have tangible data. Given that, I would never include coaching in another sport when the point is to determine who is the greatest college hockey coach of all-time.
At this point, I'd really like to get this thread back on track. I'm hesitant to keep going with this list if all we're going to do is talk about this thread title. I'm happy to discuss the formula after the top 25 has been announced. I'd prefer to keep talk to the coaches in the top-25...perhaps stories/anecdotes about the coaches on the list.
Thank you for your appreciation. As I said before though, my formula accounts for far more than just winning records. There are always going to be elements to, in this case coaching, that don't have tangible data. Given that, I would never include coaching in another sport when the point is to determine who is the greatest college hockey coach of all-time.
At this point, I'd really like to get this thread back on track. I'm hesitant to keep going with this list if all we're going to do is talk about this thread title. I'm happy to discuss the formula after the top 25 has been announced. I'd prefer to keep talk to the coaches in the top-25...perhaps stories/anecdotes about the coaches on the list.
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
Of course not, that was merely an example intended to illustrate that two coaches with very similar career profiles in terms of winning percentages and tournament championships can have a very different profile when it comes to overall "greatness."
On with your list...maybe we can divert people into guessing the top five before they appear...
Of course not, that was merely an example intended to illustrate that two coaches with very similar career profiles in terms of winning percentages and tournament championships can have a very different profile when it comes to overall "greatness."
On with your list...maybe we can divert people into guessing the top five before they appear...
Fighting Sioux 23
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And if this list was the overall greatest coaches of all time (any sport) then I would say your argument has merit. On this list, it doesn't.
Guessing the Top 10 would be more in line. Perhaps when we get to that point, we can get a guessing game together.
And if this list was the overall greatest coaches of all time (any sport) then I would say your argument has merit. On this list, it doesn't.
Guessing the Top 10 would be more in line. Perhaps when we get to that point, we can get a guessing game together.
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Does this include D-III coaches?
I kid, I kid.
Does this include D-III coaches?
I kid, I kid.
Fighting Sioux 23
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As a Merrimack fan from WAAAYYYY back, I always considered him the anti-Christ. MC beating them (after Harkness and the Dutchmen had been written up in SI) to win the ECAC DII crown in '76-'77 will forever be one of my favorite hockey memories. He didn't last much longer at Union.
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
I'll guess that Herb Brooks, Red Berensen, Ned Harkness, and Jerry York will be in the top seven...
I'll guess that Herb Brooks, Red Berensen, Ned Harkness, and Jerry York will be in the top seven...
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
#24 Cheddy Thompson
Coached at Colorado College from 1945-1955
Cheddy Thompson comes in at #24. One of the great coaches of the '40s and '50s, Thompson led the Tigers to the first five Frozen Fours, and six overall. Thompson won 20 games or more only once, his last season of coaching at CC. He only had two losing seasons, and lost over ten games only once in his 10 years at Colorado College. Cheddy was 7-5 in the NCAAs/Frozen Four, and arguably his best coaching job was the '49-'50 season. CC was coming off back to back Frozen Fours, but were unable to win in the semis. In the 1950 Frozen Four, Thompson led the Tigers to their first ever National Championship.
Points: 90.00
#24 Cheddy Thompson
Coached at Colorado College from 1945-1955
Cheddy Thompson comes in at #24. One of the great coaches of the '40s and '50s, Thompson led the Tigers to the first five Frozen Fours, and six overall. Thompson won 20 games or more only once, his last season of coaching at CC. He only had two losing seasons, and lost over ten games only once in his 10 years at Colorado College. Cheddy was 7-5 in the NCAAs/Frozen Four, and arguably his best coaching job was the '49-'50 season. CC was coming off back to back Frozen Fours, but were unable to win in the semis. In the 1950 Frozen Four, Thompson led the Tigers to their first ever National Championship.
Points: 90.00
Re: The Greatest Coaches of All-Time
That is like skating up ice with your head down....
Do you not see the obvious retort?
That is like skating up ice with your head down....
Do you not see the obvious retort?
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don't you just hate idiots that argue such pointless little things?
don't you just hate idiots that argue such pointless little things?