The end of leagues as we know?

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Maybe they don't make money for FSN, but that didn't stop FSN from picking up the SCSU @ Denver game at the end of last season.

That was largely because it was being broadcast on Fox Sports - Rocky Mountain, and was probably quick, easy, cheap and painless for FSN to pick the game up.

 

[davyd83]

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Well I see the "Sioux-Per" League or shiuld we call it the "Little WCHA" has made it's announcement. No mention of Notre Dame or Western Michigan as rumor had it. Looks like a scaled down version of the WCHA without trips to Alaska and Houghton.

Also, interesting I've yet to see any comments or official statements by any University President / Chancellor. Looks like the AD's are in charge of their respective universities.

The chore now or the "leftovers" is to create a league with those truly committed to D-I hockey. A commitment to funding the program, making sure the facilities are competitive and have a long-term vision for the sport at their school. SCSU, BSU, NMU, MTU and MSU are solid. Now is the time to be sure of this. Do not carry any dead weight forward.

The next task is to schedule the most competitive non-conference schedule possible. The ultimate goal is the NCAA. It's never about the conference itself.

They said in the release that they will talk about it in the press conference on Wednesday.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

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That was largely because it was being broadcast on Fox Sports - Rocky Mountain, and was probably quick, easy, cheap and painless for FSN to pick the game up.

SCSU provides their own crew made up of students. Can't get much cheaper than that. FSN shows high school hockey games. I don't care either way, because Comcast already shows most of the SCSU home games, but just saying I don't think it is impossible that FSN might show some games that feature SCSU, BSU or MSUM.

 

[geezer]

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Well, the rage is starting to subside and it's possible there could be an upside to all this eventually. Though obviously more likely that college hockey will take a huge step backwards as 10-12 programs fold.
For now, I'll go on blaming federal oil company subsidies, dggoddard (for being herself), and Denver hockey (because I used to love that program, and this hurts).

 

[Handyman]

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The formation of the super league is a disgrace and disrespects the history and tradition of college hockey. I hope DU dies a slow death with no fan interest in any of their opponents and UND loses their nickname and has to rip out every Indians logo in that lavish nazi bunker they call home. Terry Pegula may have started this bs but UND didn't have to listen to DU and ruin what made college hockey special.

Actually, you should pray that they keep their name. As long as they are the Fighting Sioux none of the Big Ten teams will play them. In fact, I have personal confirmation from Maturi that they will not schedule the Fighting Sioux as long as they are the Fighting Sioux. (he also said he and Lucia are going to meet next week to discuss how to schedule the Minnesota colleges fwiw)

So here is hoping the Sioux win their lawsuit so they can put together a wonderful schedule without the BTHC and BHHC teams. I am sure AHA and the ECAC will bend over backwards to fly to Grand Forks

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Actually, you should pray that they keep their name. As long as they are the Fighting Sioux none of the Big Ten teams will play them. In fact, I have personal confirmation from Maturi that they will not schedule the Fighting Sioux as long as they are the Fighting Sioux. (he also said he and Lucia are going to meet next week to discuss how to schedule the Minnesota colleges fwiw)

So here is hoping the Sioux win their lawsuit so they can put together a wonderful schedule without the BTHC and BHHC teams. I am sure AHA and the ECAC will bend over backwards to fly to Grand Forks

I don't think ALL of the B1GMistake teams have a rule like Wisconsin and Minnesota do they? Still, UND most certainly will be able to schedule BHHC teams

 

[sfo19]

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SCSU provides their own crew made up of students. Can't get much cheaper than that. FSN shows high school hockey games. I don't care either way, because Comcast already shows most of the SCSU home games, but just saying I don't think it is impossible that FSN might show some games that feature SCSU, BSU or MSUM.

FSN DOES NOT show high school hockey games anymore aside from Hockey Day in Minnesota. Not enough money. They have them online, but not on television.

 

[Handyman]

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Well, the rage is starting to subside and it's possible there could be an upside to all this eventually. Though obviously more likely that college hockey will take a huge step backwards as 10-12 programs fold.
For now, I'll go on blaming federal oil company subsidies, dggoddard (for being herself), and Denver hockey (because I used to love that program, and this hurts).

If programs dont fold (and that is a big IF right now) then yes overall this could work out well. Smaller conferences were needed in college hockey, especially when using the PWR as a method to pick the tourny. The more balanced the conferences are (every team playing every team equal amounts of times) and the more non-conference games that are available to everyone the better. 10-12 team conferences were not good for the overall health of college hockey.

So the key is to keep the W/CCHA Leftovers afloat for a while until they can form a cohesive conference (or two if they can poach some AHA schools or something) and become viable. They do that then in 10 years everyone could be happy. And as a nice byproduct, if teams in the West or Midwest want to start up like UM-Crookston or if Lindenwood wants to move up or whatever, there are now plenty of spots available in multiple conferences.

 

[Handyman]

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I don't think ALL of the B1GMistake teams have a rule like Wisconsin and Minnesota do they? Still, UND most certainly will be able to schedule BHHC teams

Yeah I misspoke about the BHHC...I meant the Leftover Hockey Conference. You got my point though

As for the Big Ten...Michigan wont go to the Ralph because it is a road game outside of Michigan so they are out. The rest of the Big Ten probably doesnt even know where Grand Forks is I am not sure if the Hostile and Abusive thing is a Big Ten rule, but none of them will go out of their way to go to UND anyways. They can find cheaper opponents closer to home.

 

[3W]

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The UNO faithful have been very quiet on this subject, but let me ask the question:

Is it possible that the "Motel 6" move isn't even the biggest d___ move Trev Alberts has pulled this year?

 

[WetSubArticCanine]

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Yup. They did. That's exactly what ... the Big Ten did.

And then the five stalwarts opened the scuppers, slid deftly (even though they were dressed in skirts and shawls) down the ropes of the next lifeboat lifted over the side, cast off, and tossed the boat’s women and children into the sea as they uttered the immortal cry, “we’re overloaded and they’ll just want to drink some of the water”.

 

[WetSubArticCanine]

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Double standards and hypocrisies sure are uncomfortable.

So what makes UND and Denver bad guys isn't what they wanted, it's the fact that they got what they wanted?

No, the real issue is not the outcome, but if you negotiated above board or under the table, and how you live-up to the deal you’ve already agreed to. Wiggle all you want.

 

[WetSubArticCanine]

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What conjecture? BSU, UAA, SCSU, MSU-M, and MTU all voted to poach NDU and MoOH from the CCHA. That's on record.

As is the vote of <b>all</b> WCHA members. Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle.

So the CCHA was irreparably harmed by the loss of the BT schools but the WCHA would be just fine? "You can't be serious!" - John McEnroe

The BT started this action. It's just domino effect from there.

Your logic supporting the way the domino’s have fallen, having moved where they were standing while your partners were waiting in line to buy the next round, is a quote apropos of everything and nothing? Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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No, the real issue is not the outcome, but if you negotiated above board or under the table, and how you live-up to the deal you’ve already agreed to. Wiggle all you want.

That's total BS. The small school fans' chief complaint has been that they were left behind by people who are only in it for themselves and who weren't looking out for the good of college hockey, i.e. the small schools.

Above the board or not, the unanimous vote to destroy what's left of the CCHA would have had the same consequences for FSU, LSSU etc. as what you ALL find yourselves now dealing with.

You cannot claim the moral high ground for your school if you are a supporter of the left-behinders in the WCHA.

And wiggle? I'm a Badger fan. DU and UND can be blamed for all I care. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the whiner's chief whine.

Everybody (yes even your school) is in it for themselves. Some just have more leverage than others.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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That's total BS. The small school fans' chief complaint has been that they were left behind by people who are only in it for themselves and who weren't looking out for the good of college hockey, i.e. the small schools.

Above the board or not, the unanimous vote to destroy what's left of the CCHA would have had the same consequences for FSU, LSSU etc. as what you ALL find yourselves now dealing with.

You cannot claim the moral high ground if you are a supporter of the left-behinders in the WCHA.

And wiggle? I'm a Badger fan. DU and UND can be blamed for all I care. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the whiner's chief whine.

Everybody (yes even your school) is in it for themselves. Some just have more leverage than others.

I DID NOT VOTE TO LIFT THE MORATORIUM and invite Notre Dame and Miami. The ADs at all 10 remaining WCHA institutions did. I wanted the WCHA to stay at 10 teams. I can take the moral high ground all I want because I did not want Notre Dame and Miami. If you can't see the difference, thats not my problem. It's no different than you saying you didn't want the B1G Mistake conference but Terry Pegula forced the hand of B1G Mistake schools...Barry Alvarez is happy, Joel Maturi is not...

 

[Gurtholfin]

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I DID NOT VOTE TO LIFT THE MORATORIUM and invite Notre Dame and Miami. The ADs at all 10 remaining WCHA institutions did. I wanted the WCHA to stay at 10 teams. I can take the moral high ground all I want because I did not want Notre Dame and Miami. If you can't see the difference, thats not my problem. It's no different than you saying you didn't want the B1G Mistake conference but Terry Pegula forced the hand of B1G Mistake schools...Barry Alvarez is happy, Joel Maturi is not...

The key difference is that many of you are either personally attacking supporters of the schools that "caused" this or intimating that those schools are somehow devious when YOUR school tried to do the same thing. Do you think for even a second that if MTU was offered a slot in the Motel 6 that they would have turned it down?

 

[RunDMCLine4ever]

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The formation of the super league is a disgrace and disrespects the history and tradition of college hockey. I hope DU dies a slow death with no fan interest in any of their opponents and UND loses their nickname and has to rip out every Indians logo in that lavish nazi bunker they call home. Terry Pegula may have started this bs but UND didn't have to listen to DU and ruin what made college hockey special.

Awesome! I hope the next time there is a fire at the Ralph...the whole place burns down. The Sioux can burn in hell for this.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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I should have said that you cannot claim that your SCHOOL has the moral high ground. That's what I meant. Sorry it wasn't clearer.

 

[Dirty]

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Awesome! I hope the nex time there is a fire at the Ralph...the whole place burns down. The Sioux can burn in hell for this.

If the whole Ralph burns, wouldn't it be in Grand Forks and not Houghton? So how would it be hell?

 

[SCSU Euro]

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Psst: check out who won the NCAAs last year. Not that I disagree with the others, but still.

Yeah, but they're not consistently even in the top half of the WCHA, they went on a run, they didn't even finish in the top 3 of the WCHA last year. Here's Duluth's finish in the last 13 years, and before you start yelling at me about how I unfairly cut it off there, I used siouxsports.com's standings, that's as far back as they go.

4th, 4th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 9th, 6th, 2nd, 5th, 9th, 10th, 8th, 9th. That's an average of finishing 7.08th place, out of usually ten teams (sure there were 12 this past year, but the last year I have shown is them finishing 9th in a 9-team league). 1 top 3 finish, 2 dead last finishes and 4 times out of 13 finished top half to get home ice in the playoffs. SCSU over that same time had finishes of 9th, 3rd, 6th, 5th, 2nd, 6th, 9th, 6th, 6th, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, for an average of 5.08th place or averaging 2 spots higher every year. 5 top 3 finishes, 0 dead last finishes, and 6 out of 13 times hosted the playoffs. Oh, and we've been division one for about 25 years, Duluth has been for about 70. But no, I'd have taken Duluth there too, they're a proven, consistent winner.