The end of leagues as we know?

[ronmexico]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

CC, UNO and UMD make this an impossibility

You can eat a *ic* dude... DG is a looser, you don't have to be one too...

 

[MavsFan]

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there are very very few hockey fans in mankato. I really hope st cloud and bemidji pull through this, but i have a hard time caring about mankato (and I graduated from there!). their fans spend more time drinking, chanting and yelling at the other team players/opposing team fans than they do watching the game

Yeah, that doesn't happen anywhere else in college hockey. I suppose you were one of the many MSU students who showed up wearing Gophers' gear.

and b) have absolutely no standards for their coach...

What do you expect the fans/students to do about Jutting? I don't know a single regular fan who doesn't want him gone.

 

[MagnessMan]

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According to the linked article, the WCHA unanimously voted to invite Miami and Notre Dame. If that were to happen, the smaller schools of the west would be in an even more precarious position. Please don't act like your precious smaller schools would not have acted selfishly if they were given the chance. They are on record as voting to pillage the CCHA for their own gain. Your victim act is tiresome.

Amen! Hey Big Blue Large Mouth. Do you have any kind of a life up there? The temp is above freezing, get out and get some fresh air--move away from your computer please!

 

[5mn_Major]

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About this nonsense about national coverage of UND or any of the other the others in the BHHC conf...expect pretty much nil.

Minnesota has about the biggest fan base and most accustomed to watching college hockey anywhere in North America. FSN has had the chance to televise other games when the Gophs are not on...and I have never, ever seen a UND game without the Gophers. I believe a couple of times SCSU was on at odd times...but never the Sioux. So if Twin Cities won'te televise other college hockey teams...are you telling me to expect to show them in Philadelphia or Memphis? No chance. Couple that with big time sports accustomed to showing Duke, Texas or USC sports...and they're going to televise University of North Dakota vs. University of Nebraska, Omaha? Sorry, but who?

The Big Ten will get play because its focused on the Big Ten and just perhaps schools like BC might sneak on in the north east...but don't expect any national TV with what frankly are no name schools playing in what is nationally a no name sport.

 

[SiouxFanatic]

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About this nonsense about national coverage of UND or any of the other the others in the BHHC conf...expect pretty much nil.

Minnesota has about the biggest fan base and most accustomed to watching college hockey anywhere in North America. FSN has had the chance to televise other games when the Gophs are not on...and I have never, ever seen a UND game without the Gophers. I believe a couple of times SCSU was on at odd times...but never the Sioux. So if Twin Cities won'te televise other college hockey teams...are you telling me to expect to show them in Philadelphia or Memphis? No chance. Couple that with big time sports accustomed to showing Duke, Texas or USC sports...and they're going to televise University of North Dakota vs. University of Nebraska, Omaha? Sorry, but who?

The Big Ten will get play because its focused on the Big Ten and just perhaps schools like BC might sneak on in the north east...but don't expect any national TV with what frankly are no name schools playing in what is nationally a no name sport.

Fox Sports North has to my immediate recollection, televised 2 UND games live in which your Gophers were not involved. Both were NCAA Tournament games.

The first one was in the 2007-2008 NCAA tournament. FSN aired the Minnesota vs. Boston College game as well as the UND vs. Princeton game. The other NCAA tournament game that FSN televised live for the Sioux was the 2009-2010 regional game against Yale. The Gophers were not in the NCAA tournament in 2009-2010.

 

[davyd83]

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I'm just curious about the outrage that McLeod and Cobb have shown to those schools who are leaving the WCHA. I wonder if any of them, or the other leftover schools who voted to attempt to poach Miami and Notre Dame from the CCHA ever called that league first to check it out and see if it was OK?

 

[bronconick]

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I'm just curious about the outrage that McLeod and Cobb have shown to those schools who are leaving the WCHA. I wonder if any of them, or the other leftover schools who voted to attempt to poach Miami and Notre Dame from the CCHA ever called that league first to check it out and see if it was OK?

Platsch probably didn't answer the phone.

 

[Flashy Man]

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Amen! Hey Big Blue Large Mouth. Do you have any kind of a life up there? The temp is above freezing, get out and get some fresh air--move away from your computer please!

BBDL doesn't live in Houghton, nor do the majority of the Tech posters.

 

[Dak]

About this nonsense about national coverage of UND or any of the other the others in the BHHC conf...expect pretty much nil.

Minnesota has about the biggest fan base and most accustomed to watching college hockey anywhere in North America. FSN has had the chance to televise other games when the Gophs are not on...and I have never, ever seen a UND game without the Gophers. I believe a couple of times SCSU was on at odd times...but never the Sioux. So if Twin Cities won'te televise other college hockey teams...are you telling me to expect to show them in Philadelphia or Memphis? No chance. Couple that with big time sports accustomed to showing Duke, Texas or USC sports...and they're going to televise University of North Dakota vs. University of Nebraska, Omaha? Sorry, but who?

The Big Ten will get play because its focused on the Big Ten and just perhaps schools like BC might sneak on in the north east...but don't expect any national TV with what frankly are no name schools playing in what is nationally a no name sport.

http://www.fightingsioux.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=204803554&SPID=6409&SPSID=58715

Every home Sioux game is broadcast nation wide. FCS is just as easy to find on tv As BTN they are usually on the same block of channels. But ok UND will never be on national tv.

 

[Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres.]

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I believe my following comments have been uttered in these threads already, but I wrote these in ND's thread and am pasting them here, too, nonetheless. Feel free to comment or simply pooh-pooh my feelings:

I am finding several things odd about the aftermath of the announcement of this league. It seems an abundance of DU, NoDak and Miami fans aren't upset. It seems that most everyone else is. It seems doubly odd that the 2 leagues affected by these moves are eerily silent. Visit their websites. Philip Colvin joining the CCHA staff is the top story for Miami's league?! Post-graduate scholarships being awared is the lead story on the WCHA's site. Huh?! And what about my own hometown newspaper. They're too busy talking about recruits for ND FB...in 2012!

What I wouldn't give to be a fly on Coach Jackson's office wall. I keep thinking about the chance (however pessimistic or far-fetched it may be) that LSSU could close up shop in 5 or 6 years. If it weren't for LSSU, Coach Jackson would not be where he is today. And as a consequence, ND hockey would not be where it is today. I don't like loose ends. I don't like suspense. Make a decision. Make an announcement. Someone of note, just say something.

 

[giwan]

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http://www.fightingsioux.com/ViewArticle.dbml_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=204803554&SPID=6409&SPSID=58715
Every home Sioux game is broadcast nation wide. FCS is just as easy to find on tv As BTN they are usually on the same block of channels. But ok UND will never be on national tv.

BTN is much easier to find especially around the B1G footprint. Most of the FCS channels are built into higher tiers on cable networks and not sure about satellite. If all the UND games are nationally televised then comments about being relevant should be mute.

 

[fangers]

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Which still leaves UND nationally on Fox College Sports.

And what % of homes is FCS on nationally? In my area they are part of a premium package, which lesss than 8% of customers purchase.

 

[fangers]

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Agreed, Miami and whoever else leave from the CCHA have the most to gain from this. But again, it is highly debatable whether simply joining the existing WCHA wouldn't be just as good if not better for MU.
And also, again, Miami's rink holds 3,600. Increased ticket sales are capped at a pretty low level of financial significance.


I don't see how any of this spurs them to want to leave the WCHA. Their fans have proven they will back a winner, but will they back a team that routinely finishes 5th or 6th in an 8 team conference and is outside the NCAA bubble? Is there any reason that UNO wouldn't draw the 2nd biggest crowds in the WCHA? As far as recruiting trips, again I don't see how this is an issue exclusive to joining a start-up conference.


Same issue as UNO. A team that finishes 4th-6th most years in an 8 team conference and subsequently misses out on the NCAA tournament. How does that help to create better attendance or re-energize the program? I also find your statement that ticket prices were dropped "because the WCHA had become too watered down" to be suspect. There were a lot of factors at play there. Considering UNO would be making the jump to this new conference with CC, you are basically saying ticket prices were dropped because BSU joined the league. That is a stretch to say the least.


Say no more? Say anything? How do either of those things make Duluth want to leave a league filled with natural rivals, low travel costs, and the chance to be a big dog with regular trips to the NCAA for a league where the will be middle of the pack and struggle greatly to get on the right side of the pairwise?


Indeed. This is the only real reason this league is being pushed. DU and UND are afraid they can't stay relevant in the WCHA without Minnesota and Wisconsin in the league. I find that fear to be unrealistic.

Well said.

 

[komey1]

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It's impossible to speculate how those teams will fair in PWR in the new world order.

It's actually easier than you might think - it's a matter of what order these teams will be. 6 programs probably means 20 league games. Some team(s) will have 12-13 wins if not more and some team(s) will have 5 or less conference wins most likely. So that leaves the non-conference games - 14. Those bottom teams will probably need to win at least 12 of them, and possibly even the "right" ones in order to make it to the top 13 or so teams there. A difficult task to be sure, but it can be done (Vemont 2 years ago, 8th in HE, but still made NCAAs)

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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BTN is much easier to find especially around the B1G footprint. Most of the FCS channels are built into higher tiers on cable networks and not sure about satellite. If all the UND games are nationally televised then comments about being relevant should be mute.

FSSN (Fighting Sioux Sports Network) is just as easy to find in North Dakota, South Dakota and Minnesota. I have DirecTV (I live in Colorado), and the BTN is on Channel 610, while FCS is on either 617 or 623. All of the home games (with two exceptions last season) were on either 617 or 623. That being said, IMO, the only way that the Sioux get MORE television coverage is either FSSN choosing to broadcast away games (and then FCS picking up those feeds) or by having more of their road games on TV. While I don't see FSSN broadcasting more away games, I do think that there is a greater chance of getting more away games broadcast in this new league than if they stayed in the WCHA.

Again, I am against the creation of this league.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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And what % of homes is FCS on nationally? In my area they are part of a premium package, which lesss than 8% of customers purchase.

FCS is shown in approximately 55 million homes nationally.

 

[bronconick]

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20 million of those available homes are DirectTV, which last I looked, had them on a premium plan.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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20 million of those available homes are DirectTV, which last I looked, had them on a premium plan.

Correct. Premier package or Sports Pack. BTN is a part of that as well, along with being available on the Choice and above packages.

FWIW, Versus is on Choice Extra and above, along with being in the Sports Pack.

 

[giwan]

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Correct. Premier package or Sports Pack. BTN is a part of that as well, along with being available on the Choice and above packages.FWIW, Versus is on Choice Extra and above, along with being in the Sports Pack.

What I have seen in the region and I have is BTN on the most common tier as well as VS. Need to go up another tier for all the FCS and the sports pack.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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What I have seen in the region and I have is BTN on the most common tier as well as VS. Need to go up another tier for all the FCS and the sports pack.

I'm sure it depends on the region, but my understanding is that FCS is typically a premier package (ie highest tier/add on package).

EDIT: It's also important to note that for DirecTV, regardless of whatever package you have, you can add the sports pack and get BTN, Versus and FCS. You can have the family (29.99) or select (39.99-44.99) package and add the sports pack, and still be under what you would pay just for the Choice (60.99) or Choice Extra (65.99) packages.