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The definitive tournament speculation thread

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valliant defender said:
I guess we will never know as my son was a senior with 2 ncaa appearances - one a final four .He started off that freshman year with 12 goals in his first 10 games and he's a lot better now .
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I remember that final four appearance well, and M'ville should be proud. I'm a MIDD fan, and I think that Doug Raeder stole that game from a great team. I also think that it's a travesty that Elmira is in, and your team is not. Results down the stretch should mean more than who you played early.
 
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After reading all the post's I decided to look up the records of the teams that both Manhattanville and Elmira played. Manhattanville's opponents combined record is 170-191-24 for a .473 winning percentage and 1 opponent in the top 15. Elmira's opponents combined record 155-138-21 for a .527 winning percentage and 3 teams in the top 15. Manhattanville's own winning percentage might have been better than Elmira's but not their SOS and the competition they had with games against 3 different ranked teams. Everybody keeps saying they should get games against Plattsburgh or Oswego, but I think they should try to get some of these teams that are consistently in the top 15 like Middlebury and Norwich also. Maybe they could have hung in there with some of the East's big dogs or maybe not but I don't think the NCAA tournament would have been the proper place to find out, because Elmira tried it during the regular season. Another idea that Manhattanville might want to think about is trying to create their own tournament either at the beginning of the year or a holiday tournament that will not clash with another big tournament then maybe they could get a big name in there in a couple of years to beef up their SOS.
 
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Transplanted Tiger Fan said:
For every team in the ECAC West and MASCAC, their NCAA Tournament Selection process for the 2011 tournament begins NOW. Of course, nobody knows who will be good in 2011, but there should be a pretty good idea of which teams have the potential to have a successful season.

The traditional “powers” having recent success in the East are Plattsburgh, Oswego, Norwich, Middlebury, Elmira, Manhattanville, & Amherst to name a few. Looking at the rosters of these programs, many of them should continue that success well into next year. Knowing this, any team in the ECAC West and MASCAC would foolish to not load-up their out-of-conference schedule with as many games as possible against these teams next year if they want a chance at getting the Pool B bid, or one of the at-large Pool C bids.
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Actually no. You want the next tier down in the same conferences. Not the cupcakes, but the middle tier of the AQ conferences. If you lose your OOC games against the big boys you're not playing the 2nd week of March.

I do not know how far along any team’s 2011 schedules are at this point in time, but a team desiring a non-AQ bid simply cannot schedule games against the Sisters of St. Mary our Mother of Mercy and expect to be considered for one of these bids. There is no AQ, there is no “win and you’re in”, the final 2-3 games do not dictate your destiny when it comes to the NCAA Tournament. Next year’s NCAA selection begins today for every ECAC West and MASCAC team.

Remember this in March 2011, and for these ECAC West and MASCAC teams, remember this simple fact every single day, because EVERY SINGLE FLIPPIN’ GAME is an NCAA Tournament game. It’s just that simple, and at the same time, just that difficult.
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Actually that's Little Sisters of the Poor. The SStMMoM dropped hockey in 1980 when they found out that Georgetown would schedule their basketball team for a $200,000 guarantee. Bye bye hockey, hello basketball!!

Most of the 2010-11 schedules are set. Salem State's schedule is set with maybe one exception, so there is not a lot of leeway. As much as I think Salem should go out to New York and play middle pack SUNY's, the budget can't afford it.
 
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Transplanted Tiger Fan said:
I do not know how far along any team’s 2011 schedules are at this point in time, but a team desiring a non-AQ bid simply cannot schedule games against the Sisters of St. Mary our Mother of Mercy and expect to be considered for one of these bids.
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Isn't that where the ECAC West is right now with LVC pulling the plug?
 
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joecct said:
Actually no. You want the next tier down in the same conferences. Not the cupcakes, but the middle tier of the AQ conferences. If you lose your OOC games against the big boys you're not playing the 2nd week of March.
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I see what you're saying... I guess I should have qualified that statement with "... and win."! Granted, that's not always easy, but kind-of required. ;)
 
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FINAL POST: AS I said before my beef isn't with any of you posters, as by and large your opinions are well founded.It's just a bitter way to go out,especially when you see closeup the pain(literally) and sacrifice involved in getting to and winning last night's game and then not have a chance to continue.Remember life's not always fair-Good luck and good night.
 
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Bald Tire said:
Isn't that where the ECAC West is right now with LVC pulling the plug?
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This has me quite concerned. If other team's schedules are fairly complete, as Joe had mentioned Salem State's is, we have 5 teams trying to grab-up a total of 15 games from a very limited pool of options. Some SOS's may suffer as a result (take whoever they can get, without being selective regarding the quality of the available opponents). Then again, maybe these 15 games will be reduced with the ECAC West teams playing 4-5 times over the year? Not sure if this will happen though.
 
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If money matters ....

If money matters ....

The Real Georgia Peach said:
...And how does Elmira get to Host their play-in game??? This is just plain nuts.
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I'd wager it has something to do with their ability to draw 2,000 fans out for the show. Not complaining, just theorizing that 2k * $7 = $14k which will pay for a couple of the other less profitable venues.
 
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elbojpb said:
I'd wager it has something to do with their ability to draw 2,000 fans out for the show. Not complaining, just theorizing that 2k * $7 = $14k which will pay for a couple of the other less profitable venues.
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Or they're ranked higher than Curry, the other eastern play-in team.

There is no conspiracy.
 
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Let's see how I did.

Matt Rennell said:
Play-ins
Curry @ Manhattanville
Adrian @ St. Norbert
St. Thomas @ Gustavus Adolphus

NCAA Quarterfinals
Curry/Manhattanville @ Oswego
Bowdoin @ Norwich
Plattsburgh @ Middlebury
UST/GAC winner vs. Adrian/SNC winner (highest remaining seed hosts)
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The bracket itself I nailed down, only errors was bumping Oswego back ahead of Norwich and giving Manhattanville the Pool B over Elmira.

I'll take it.
 
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Matt Rennell said:
Let's see how I did.



The bracket itself I nailed down, only errors was bumping Oswego back ahead of Norwich and giving Manhattanville the Pool B over Elmira.

I'll take it.
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And I agreed with that but noted it was impossible to pick Elmira or Manhattanville.

Sure, I hedged, too, but let's forget that.
 
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Transplanted Tiger Fan said:
This has me quite concerned. If other team's schedules are fairly complete, as Joe had mentioned Salem State's is, we have 5 teams trying to grab-up a total of 15 games from a very limited pool of options. Some SOS's may suffer as a result (take whoever they can get, without being selective regarding the quality of the available opponents). Then again, maybe these 15 games will be reduced with the ECAC West teams playing 4-5 times over the year? Not sure if this will happen though.
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I think you'll definitely see an increase to at least four conference games in the ECAC West against every opponent. Five though? Yikes...I suppose it's possible but that would get awfully boring to me. However, it might the conference's only choice.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I think you'll definitely see an increase to at least four conference games in the ECAC West against every opponent. Five though? Yikes...I suppose it's possible but that would get awfully boring to me. However, it might the conference's only choice.
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I think they can afford a 5-game schedule arrangement for one year with the understanding that it was a temporary arrangement and would be reduced to 4 the following year to allow for OOC scheduling. Assuming membership stays the same, the ECAC-W will have no hope other than having one or two teams beat the snot out of the rest of the league and ALL members of the league go virtually undefeated in OOC games and all play top-tier teams. In other words, they need to become a Pool C monster factory.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
I think they can afford a 5-game schedule arrangement for one year with the understanding that it was a temporary arrangement and would be reduced to 4 the following year to allow for OOC scheduling. Assuming membership stays the same, the ECAC-W will have no hope other than having one or two teams beat the snot out of the rest of the league and ALL members of the league go virtually undefeated in OOC games and all play top-tier teams. In other words, they need to become a Pool C monster factory.
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Was that the way it was back when RIT was in the ECAC West?

Couldn't they just become a 1 bid league because they beat up on each other too much with another game added versus each team?
 
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