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The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!

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At least there's no plans for boots on the ground. That significantly limits amount of time spent, costs, and casualties on all sides. No need to double down on this.

Old Pio said:
Too bad all the intelligence agencies in the West just didn't contact you about whether or not Hussein was hiding WMD's. They were all fooled. Including Mossad. But you knew he wasn't. Man, that hindsight is wonderful, isn't it?
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Nobody knew whether there were WMDs. But the UN was on the ground and insisted it found nothing. So we should therefore...invade? Crazy rushed over reaction. Maybe not to you, but it was blatantly obvious to many at the time as it is now.
 
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5mn_Major said:
At least there's no plans for boots on the ground. That significantly limits amount of time spent, costs, and casualties on all sides. No need to double down on this.



Nobody knew whether there were WMDs. But the UN was on the ground and insisted it found nothing. So we should therefore...invade? Crazy rushed over reaction. Maybe not to you, but it was blatantly obvious to many at the time as it is now.
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Screw Hans Blix. And screw the UN.
 
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Suffice it to say, my opinion is...

This is unjustified (i.e., unilateral action when we should work through the world community) but its not as bad as Iraq:

1) Action is based on current attacks on citizens and not a war of words
2) No Americans on the ground
 
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5mn_Major said:
At least there's no plans for boots on the ground. That significantly limits amount of time spent, costs, and casualties on all sides. No need to double down on this.
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I wonder how long that plan will last? A week, month, maybe a year? I just don't trust this President or any in recent memory to not get us embroiled into another needless war once these type of actions start. I don't think the US needs to get involved at all. We do not need another war. Period. And without a doubt there is zero reason in my mind for the United State to act alone on this. There certainly is a valid reason for the President to not bring Congress back into session and have a vote on it. Nothing is going to change in the time that it would take to get either done. Not if he really wanted to.

I just can't understand why the President is so hell-bent on striking Syria when a lot of members of Congress on both sides of the aisle are questioning the need of a military strike and a majority of American citizens are against it. Maybe Obama has stock in Raytheon?
 
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MattS said:
I wonder how long that plan will last? A week, month, maybe a year? I just don't trust this President or any in recent memory to not get us embroiled into another needless war once these type of actions start. I don't think the US needs to get involved at all. We do not need another war. Period. And without a doubt there is zero reason in my mind for the United State to act alone on this. There certainly is a valid reason for the President to not bring Congress back into session and have a vote on it. Nothing is going to change in the time that it would take to get either done. Not if he really wanted to.

I just can't understand why the President is so hell-bent on striking Syria when a lot of members of Congress on both sides of the aisle are questioning the need of a military strike and a majority of American citizens are against it. Maybe Obama has stock in Raytheon?
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The view of the world is different from 1600 Pennsylvania than it is from the south side of Chicago?
 
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5mn_Major said:
Suffice it to say, my opinion is...

This is unjustified (i.e., unilateral action when we should work through the world community) but its not as bad as Iraq:

1) Action is based on current attacks on citizens and not a war of words
2) No Americans on the ground
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Definitely different from Iraq. The "cowboy" got congressional and UN green lights and assembled a coalition. So far, bupkus from HIM, who can't even convince the Brits to go along.
 
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http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnes...supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/

This article is a collaboration between Dale Gavlak reporting for Mint Press News (also of the Associated Press) and Yahya Ababneh.

Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.

Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.

The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.
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Just woke up from a nap. Have we bombed Syria yet?
 
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joecct said:
Usual strike time is 3AM local. And Friday is the Muslim sabbath, so I would guess tomorrow night / morning (local time).
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Also the UN inspectors are still in Syria. Hate to catch some of them in the fun. So I am sure we will wait until after they leave before killing some Syrians.
 
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MattS said:
Also the UN inspectors are still in Syria. Hate to catch some of them in the fun. So I am sure we will wait until after they leave before killing some Syrians.
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Good point. Do we wait for the report, or just bomb them on General Principles?
 
Old Pio said:
Definitely different from Iraq. The "cowboy" got congressional and UN green lights and assembled a coalition. So far, bupkus from HIM, who can't even convince the Brits to go along.
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Hopefully bupkis realizes the mistake before starting a three trillion dollar war.
 
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sagard said:
Hopefully bupkis realizes the mistake before starting a three trillion dollar war.
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If you keep making the same non sequitor argument over and over and over, you may come to believe it. My analogy with Iraq was limited to the "go it alone Cowboy's" success at establishing a coalition for what was going to happen there. With both congressional and UN support. And the lack of a coalition, willing or otherwise, from "Mr. Reset Nobel Peace Prize Winner Leading from Behind." Not to mention no congressional or UN concurrence.

It's not as if the use of ground forces in Iraq was a surprise. The mission there was different from whatever the mission in Syria turns out to be. And nobody is suggesting the use of ground forces. Nobody. But you keep the flashlight on under the sheets. If those batteries go, you may be in trouble.

Certain militarily ignorant people are fond of pompously repeating: "Generals always want to fight the last war." The same can obviously be said of many doves.
 
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Old Pio said:
Who cares if they fired on the Mattox and Turner Joy? Nuke 'em 'till they glow.
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I suppose it doesn't matter who fired first.

In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there were no North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the incident of August 4. The report stated regarding August 2:

At 1505G, Captain Herrick ordered Ogier's gun crews to open fire if the boats approached within ten thousand yards. At about 1505G, the Maddox fired three rounds to warn off the communist boats. This initial action was never reported by the Johnson administration, which insisted that the Vietnamese boats fired first.

Regarding August 4:
It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.
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