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The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!

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I'm not isolationist - I supported going after OBL & his supporters in Afghanistan. Had I been alive/old enough, I would've favored American involvement in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Desert Storm. I will always support free trade and specialization (for the most part).

I just don't think this particular cause is something the US should be getting involved in, at the very least not on our own.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I'm not isolationist - I supported going after OBL & his supporters in Afghanistan. Had I been alive/old enough, I would've favored American involvement in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Desert Storm. I will always support free trade and specialization (for the most part).

I just don't think this particular cause is something the US should be getting involved in, at the very least not on our own.
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I understand. Although supporting our entry into WWII, as it turns out, wasn't exactly a hard call. Unless your name was Jeannette Rankin.;)
 
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MattS said:
You're the one that wrote ****em up and **** the torpedoes. That says to me who cares about the collateral damage.
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So you read into my comment something that wasn't there. Apology accepted.

I would think it obvious that I would want us to hit military targets to cripple their ability to carry out these sort of attacks, but I guess I should have spelled it out.
 
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Old Pio said:
Assad and his Russian and Iranian buddies may have convinced himself the US is the "weak horse." And that any response by us will be insufficient to seriously diminish his regime, while giving him enhanced prestige on the "arab street." A few cruise missiles may be a price he's willing, if not happy, to pay.
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So you want boots on the ground? Syria has russian built air defense, its my understanding that its brand new??? You gonna send fighters in there and risk getting shot down?

if we hadn't already fought several other wars in these backwoods hellholes folks might get on board.

In reality there isn't much difference between chemical induced death or bomb,gun etc induced death, many innocent folks are still dead.
 
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walrus said:
In reality there isn't much difference between chemical induced death or bomb,gun etc induced death...
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From your living room thousands of miles away? Maybe so.

The people (actual people, not just numbers) experiencing those deaths might argue as to which method is worst.

If given the choice, I'll take bullets or getting blown in half to having my innards turned to jelly or drowning in my own mucus or whatever other pleasant effects the gas has.
 
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Agree with walrus...a death is a death. As with the German position, IMO we should let the security council finish its investigation and deal with this.

It sounds like we'll be going forward with the strikes. Preparations are underway...which as with Iraq, etc always means it will happen.
 
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walrus said:
In reality there isn't much difference between chemical induced death or bomb,gun etc induced death, many innocent folks are still dead.
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Gurtholfin said:
From your living room thousands of miles away? Maybe so.

The people (actual people, not just numbers) experiencing those deaths might argue as to which method is worst.

If given the choice, I'll take bullets or getting blown in half to having my innards turned to jelly or drowning in my own mucus or whatever other pleasant effects the gas has.
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They aren't going to argue as they are dead. You may have a point and I'll defer to your experience. I think we both would agree Assad needs 2 in the hat. The problem would be what happens afterwards. I doubt there are any good guys in this situation.

As far as cruise missiles go, is the US going to fire from subs with Russian Subs standing by in the Med?. We going to take a chance that some Russian Advisers(stationed in Syria) might be collateral damage.
 
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walrus said:
So you want boots on the ground? Syria has russian built air defense, its my understanding that its brand new??? You gonna send fighters in there and risk getting shot down?

if we hadn't already fought several other wars in these backwoods hellholes folks might get on board.

In reality there isn't much difference between chemical induced death or bomb,gun etc induced death, many innocent folks are still dead.
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Why not try arguing with what I actually said, rather than what your perfervid imagination dictates? I've said, and will repeat for the slow learners, that if HIM is determined to do this (and it appears that he is) then he should make it a strike that will seriously weaken the Assad regime. A robust attack with broad target list. As opposed to a pinpr*ck designed to impress CNN (and the lofos) but not Assad. Just to put a fine enough point on it that even you can understand: I DO NOT ADVOCATE THE USE OF AMERICAN GROUND FORCES IN SYRIA. PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARY. Happy now?
 
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Old Pio said:
Why not try arguing with what I actually said, rather than what your perfervid imagination dictates?
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Perfervid - adjective: intense and impassioned. ;)


I admit... had to look it up.
 
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Why not try arguing with what I actually said, rather than what your perfervid imagination dictates? I've said, and will repeat for the slow learners, that if HIM is determined to do this (and it appears that he is) then he should make it a strike that will seriously weaken the Assad regime. A robust attack with broad target list. As opposed to a pinpr*ck designed to impress CNN (and the lofos) but not Assad. And your mixing of metaphors "boots" "fighters" just confirms how muddled your thinking is here. Just to put a fine enough point on it that even you can understand: I DO NOT ADVOCATE THE USE OF AMERICAN GROUND FORCES IN SYRIA. PRIMARILY BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARY. Happy now?
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You don't have to get mad about it
 
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walrus said:
You don't have to get mad about it
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I'm neither "mad" nor angry. I'm emphatic. And my preference would be that a serious matter should be discussed seriously. Sans: cant, boilerplate, bumper stickers, hysteria and the rest.
 
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Count me among those that would prefer the US let the UN drive any action and step aside until absolutely necessary - if ever. We're involved deeply enough elsewhere, I see very little 'win-win' with jumping into the fray, and as someone that called "b.s." on the claim Hussein was sitting on WMD's I can't change me tune on that angle yet either.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Count me among those that would prefer the US let the UN drive any action and step aside until absolutely necessary - if ever. We're involved deeply enough elsewhere, I see very little 'win-win' with jumping into the fray, and as someone that called "b.s." on the claim Hussein was sitting on WMD's I can't change me tune on that angle yet either.
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Too bad all the intelligence agencies in the West just didn't contact you about whether or not Hussein was hiding WMD's. They were all fooled. Including Mossad. But you knew he wasn't hiding the weapons.

On the other hand, you get high marks for consistency, something many Obamaphiles aren't concerned with at present. It's always tough to know what's going on. We've seen doctored "news" footage from that part of the world. Doctors Without Borders revealed that Hussein had a meat locker full of dead children whose bodies he'd periodically display for credulous news types to "prove" the inhumanity of sanctions against the regime. And some people will lie and lie and lie to advance their agenda. At some point we have to have a measure of confidence in our professionals and their analyses. Otherwise, we're just blundering around in the dark, without a clue. I'm satisfied we've made the case. The question then becomes, what do we do about it? The matter is somewhat complicated by Obama's "Red Line" nonsense.

Candidly, I always enjoy it when we kick one of these pipsqueak camel jockey dictators in the b*lls. As to the UN, I see it as a Wilsonian money sucking scam, incapable (or unwilling) to consistently do anything useful. I would love for America to wave good bye to the UN. The General Assembly is an anti-American glee club, populated by regimes who have zero claim of legitimacy (other than how many of their people they can imprison or murder) who feel free to lecture us about our shortcomings while simultaneously holding their hands out. Well, at least we're not still p*ssing in the streets.
 
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