The 2nd Term - Round 2 - Amensty for Some, Miniature AR-15s for Others...

[bigblue_dl]

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Oh, now you think you know what bbdl and I hunt with?

Browning .308 lever action or pump action rifle, depending on whether I'm doing a drive as bbdl described, or on watch, respectively (the pump action is a couple/few pounds heavier, so hauling it through the mountains for a mile or so isn't much fun). Nice try though.

I personally don't see a ton of practicality in hunting with an "assault weapon" as you crazies seem to like calling them. Could I? Sure. But I can get almost the same number of shots off with my browning as I could with an AR. Why? Each requires a pull of the trigger for a shot, I can't magically pull an AR trigger quicker, surprisingly.

I have a Weatherby SAS .12 Gauge Slug Gun for deer (no rifles allowed in my area), which is semi-automatic. I use a Savage .22-250 for coyote, which is bolt action, because I didn't want to spend the money for a semi-auto for a coyote gun.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Ok, Mr. Smarty Pants: propose wording for a rule that allows hunters to continue to use semi-automatic guns (as there are good reasons for them to do so, as demonstrated repeatedly in this thread) and yet would make a lick of difference when it comes to shootings in gun-free zones. 20 years on the clock...starts...NOW!

Hey, I have idea, maybe we should do a better job of enforcing the "gun free zone" since it seems like we already have a law on the books that should theoretically stop 100% of all school shootings.

 

[LynahFan]

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Hey, I have idea, maybe we should do a better job of enforcing the "gun free zone" since it seems like we already have a law on the books that should theoretically stop 100% of all school shootings.

Enough with the crazy talk. This is a place for serious ideas from serious people!

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Enough with the crazy talk. This is a place for serious ideas from serious people!

You're right, it was a silly idea. It makes much more sense to put more laws in place that will do nothing.

 

[FreshFish]

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You're right, it was a silly idea. It makes much more sense to put more laws in place that will do nothing.

Now, that I wouldn't mind. If only they limited themselves to passing laws that did no harm.

These laws that cause serious damage or even outright harm are the ones that are problematic.

It is bipartisan too, be it Smoot-Hawley, Sarbanes-Oxley, Dodd-Frank, or PPACA or, oh, it just gets too tedious and depressing to start listing them out.

 

[walrus]

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I never shot at a non-wounded running deer because I felt I was far more likely to wound the animal rather than drop it. That said any hunter worth his salt has practiced reloading often enough to be efficient with a single-shot rifle. Never mind I think single shot is preferred when hunting deer anyway since a shot from a rest is the most common deer shot taken.

I'm not calling for bans btw, just calling out your skills.

Maine is full of hunters, I don't know one that hunts with a single shot, I had a rabbit gun, over and under .410, .22 that was a single shot and I've seen some old shot guns but I'm not sure I've ever seen a single shot rifle? Why is a single shot preferred for hunting deer?
Edit: unless you mean black powder rifles, hardly the norm for most hunters

 

[Old Pio]

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AK-47's are fully automatic, and illegal. Good try though, scooter.

And aren't they the "preferred weapon of your enemy?" And don't they make a "distinctive sound?" Or did I just see that in a movie?

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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And aren't they the "preferred weapon of your enemy?" And don't they make a "distinctive sound?" Or did I just see that in a movie?

If it's in a movie, it's true because James Bond.

 

[FreshFish]

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That could be the only deer I'll see that season. I'm taking whatever shot I get where I feel I have a reasonable chance to get the kill.

Interesting to notice how much hunting regulations vary from state to state.

In WY your license specifies how many you can take each season, and the number of permits changes from year to year. In the spring the State Dept of Conservation hires people part-time to help them conduct a census (you sit in one place for hours with binoculars and count what you see; the State knows their migration patterns and sets you up in the right place). Then they collate the data from all the different places to determine how many ungulates need to be culled that year so that the overall population level of each herd is maintained within an optimal range. Only then do they put up permits for sale for that season. Many times your license allows you only to shoot one deer, and that's it (there are separate licenses for elk, moose, mule deer, and antelope). I've hung out with hunters trading their stories and it is not uncommon to hear them tell of times they had to decide whether to shoot at the first deer they saw or wait and hope a better one came along (depends on whether you were hunting primarily for food or primarily for a trophy. Nearly every person I knew hunted primarily for food, I only met one or two who mostly wanted the stuffed head over the mantle).

There were a lot of people there who lived just over the poverty line who really depended upon hunting season for several weeks of meals. They even closed the schools for the first few days of hunting season because so many people hunted there.




PS grilled elk steak is about the best meat I've ever tasted. I never tasted moose but I heard it is gamey. one of my friends there was a butcher who handled many of the deer killed by others; he had so much deer jerky he would give it away in big bags to those lucky enough to know him well.

 

[hockeyplayer1015]

Maine is full of hunters, I don't know one that hunts with a single shot, I had a rabbit gun, over and under .410, .22 that was a single shot and I've seen some old shot guns but I'm not sure I've ever seen a single shot rifle? Why is a single shot preferred for hunting deer?
Edit: unless you mean black powder rifles, hardly the norm for most hunters

Only thing I've seen other than black powder, is a single shot bolt action (no magazine), but I've only seen them on a competitive precision .22 rifle, not on a hunting rifle.

FF: In NYS, you can get a tag for 1 antlered deer, and for an extra $5 or something, you can apply for a doe tag for a specific zone/area. Usually the doe tags are hard to get your preference, but you can accumulate points if you don't get the zone requested, which will bump up your priority for future years. We also have deer management permits which is a fancy term for nuisance permits.

 

[Old Pio]

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Maine is full of hunters, I don't know one that hunts with a single shot, I had a rabbit gun, over and under .410, .22 that was a single shot and I've seen some old shot guns but I'm not sure I've ever seen a single shot rifle? Why is a single shot preferred for hunting deer?
Edit: unless you mean black powder rifles, hardly the norm for most hunters

Look, I don't have a dog in this (you should pardon the expression) hunt. And Lord knows most of you hunters are about one minor traffic setback away from shooting at random from the top of the nearest tower. But aren't you guys essentially talking about "different strokes for different folks?" I mean, as long as they obey the applicable laws and regulations, shouldn't licensed hunters be free to use whatever techniques and weapons they prefer?

 

[FreshFish]

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I mean, as long as they obey the applicable laws and regulations, shouldn't licensed hunters be free to use whatever techniques and weapons they're comfortable with?

The concept of freedom is anathema to a true Progressive. Don't you know people cannot be trusted? Only uniformity and compulsion are allowed in their utopia!

"Anything not mandatory is forbidden" may have started as satire, but due to the passage of time and separation from the source, it is now a guiding principle and rallying cry.

 

[Old Pio]

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Interesting to notice how much hunting regulations vary from state to state.

In WY your license specifies how many you can take each season, and the number of permits changes from year to year. In the spring the State Dept of Conservation hires people part-time to help them conduct a census (you sit in one place for hours with binoculars and count what you see; the State knows their migration patterns and sets you up in the right place). Then they collate the data from all the different places to determine how many ungulates need to be culled that year so that the overall population level of each herd is maintained within an optimal range. Only then do they put up permits for sale for that season. Many times your license allows you only to shoot one deer, and that's it (there are separate licenses for elk, moose, mule deer, and antelope). I've hung out with hunters trading their stories and it is not uncommon to hear them tell of times they had to decide whether to shoot at the first deer they saw or wait and hope a better one came along (depends on whether you were hunting primarily for food or primarily for a trophy. Nearly every person I knew hunted primarily for food, I only met one or two who mostly wanted the stuffed head over the mantle).

There were a lot of people there who lived just over the poverty line who really depended upon hunting season for several weeks of meals. They even closed the schools for the first few days of hunting season because so many people hunted there.

When I was assigned to Goose AB in Labrador, the anti-seal hunt movement was very active. Lots of what we called the Newfies made their livings seasonally, and the seal hunt was a big part of it. The long time premier of Newfoundland and Labrador, Joey Smallwood, went out on the seal hunt in a show of solidarity. These folks were living a very tenuous existence, and the hunt was important in keeping them going.

 

[Slap Shot]

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You have no clue what kind of hunting we practice. We don't sit and wait, we party hunt and make drives/pushes.

I know that kind of hunting, but it was never my preferred method. My basic point is you don't need more than a single shot to successfully hunt depending upon your style.

More power to ya though and go for it.

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[mookie1995]

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The house only has a GOP majority because of gerrymandering......

bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

check out the MA 4th congressional district and get back to me!!

 

[Old Pio]

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I know that kind of hunting, but it was never my preferred method. My basic point is you don't need more than a single shot to successfully hunt depending upon your style.

More power to ya though and go for it.

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As a city boy, I had never heard of a "canned hunt" until I came to Texas. Low rent, white trash wannabes shooting pets that have lost their fear of humans. I don't know if it still goes on, but they ought to be outlawed. What "sport" is there in shooting an animal coming toward you looking to be fed? It's like "hunting" cows.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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As a city boy, I had never heard of a "canned hunt" until I came to Texas. Low rent, white trash wannabes shooting pets that have lost their fear of humans. I don't know if it still goes on, but they ought to be outlawed. What "sport" is there in shooting an animal coming toward you looking to be fed? It's like "hunting" cows.

Well, its not really hunting, its shooting. Doesn't seem like it would be as much fun as hunting. We have to shoot cows on the farm, bad cases where we have to put one out of its misery, or in some cases where we have one that is so bat**** crazy that it jumps fences and cannot be loaded on a trailer to be taken to market. Its a necessity, not a sport.


Hunting....one hunt that I would LOVE to do one day is a boar hunt down in Texas. That would be fun, and everything I've heard about boar meat is that it is excellent.

 

[Slap Shot]

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A boar hunt is ok, but I hate the method again. I have rels in LA and AR and it's like the English using dogs to flush out foxes and pop 'em with little effort. There's not sport in it.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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A boar hunt is ok, but I hate the method again. I have rels in LA and AR and it's like the English using dogs to flush out foxes and pop 'em with little effort. There's not sport in it.

Boars are huge pests down there. They are very destructive, to the point where it doesn't matter how you kill them, they just want as many of them as possible killed. Like coyote around here, only Texas actually charges for a license for boar, and coyote are open season.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Boars are huge pests down there. They are very destructive, to the point where it doesn't matter how you kill them, they just want as many of them as possible killed. Like coyote around here, only Texas actually charges for a license for boar, and coyote are open season.

A very good point as I agree the animal is a problem. Just saying imho hunting them in that fashion is less about sport and more about a need. I've witnessed first hand the killing of gators in LA and was really bummed about how the hunt went down.