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The 2nd Term - Round 2 - Amensty for Some, Miniature AR-15s for Others...

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Evidently you've never heard the fascist right's term of "RINO".

Isn't anyone who's to the right of Maxine Waters (or any Kennedy wearing an ankle bracelet) a "fascist?"
 
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Isn't anyone who's to the right of Maxine Waters (or any Kennedy wearing an ankle bracelet) a "fascist?"
Where does Debbie (I flunked my) Wasserman-Schultz fall?
 
what about zombies?
aliens?
terminators?
:D

I would DEFINATELY support the use of drones in the event of a zombie apocalypse. :D

In other news:

Paul Responds to Being Called a "Wacko Bird"
After Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) called him a "wacko bird", Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) told Mike Huckabee, "You know, I think he's just on the wrong side of history, and on the wrong side of this argument, really."

He added that he respected McCain's service and record, but that that experience didn't mean his colleague was always right: "I treat Sen. McCain with respect. I don't think I always get the same in return."



McCain Aide Rips Rand Paul
An aide to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) defended the senator's criticism of Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and his filibuster this week, BuzzFeed reports.

Said the aide: "Senator McCain is obviously well aware of the politics of this -- he just doesn't care. He's doing what he thinks is right. Unlike many of these guys, he's actually been involved in a few national security debates over the years. He knows that jumping on the Rand Paul black helicopters crazytrain isn't good for our Party or our country, no matter what Twitter says."

While its tempting to chalk this up to a_ssholes chasing a_ssholes, it is interesting about the rift we're seeing between old school and younger conservative Republicans.
 
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I would DEFINATELY support the use of drones in the event of a zombie apocalypse. :D

In other news:

Paul Responds to Being Called a "Wacko Bird"
After Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) called him a "wacko bird", Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) told Mike Huckabee, "You know, I think he's just on the wrong side of history, and on the wrong side of this argument, really."

He added that he respected McCain's service and record, but that that experience didn't mean his colleague was always right: "I treat Sen. McCain with respect. I don't think I always get the same in return."



McCain Aide Rips Rand Paul
An aide to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) defended the senator's criticism of Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and his filibuster this week, BuzzFeed reports.

Said the aide: "Senator McCain is obviously well aware of the politics of this -- he just doesn't care. He's doing what he thinks is right. Unlike many of these guys, he's actually been involved in a few national security debates over the years. He knows that jumping on the Rand Paul black helicopters crazytrain isn't good for our Party or our country, no matter what Twitter says."

While its tempting to chalk this up to a_ssholes chasing a_ssholes, it is interesting about the rift we're seeing between old school and younger conservative Republicans.
I think most of us "younger conservatives" fall into more of the libertarian view like Rand Paul. We want to cut government spending and we are happy to have that include defense. If we can't cut defense spending we're never going to convince the left to cut entitlements because it comes across as hypocritical (because it is). The entire budget needs to be cut, every program can probably afford to cut out some things and still not effect output much at all.
 
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I would DEFINATELY support the use of drones in the event of a zombie apocalypse. :D
But what if a zombie is in control of the drone? :D

In other news, the VA is cutting aid to vets. In other, other news, Uncle Sam is giving gobs of money to Egypt and Pakistan. Anyone remember the 3rd Avenue "El"? Priorities folks, priorities.
 
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Mookie walked out into the TV room where 14yo and 10yo were watching necn while TV was talking about bho signing vawa.... 14yo asked "what about violence against men?"

Kid gets it :D
 
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Where does Debbie (I flunked my) Wasserman-Schultz fall?

I'd put her in the same category as Sheila (N & S Vietnam are getting along well together) Jackson Lee.
 
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Sounds like some people are confounding means and ends, which is understandable.

I always understood "conservative" to be more about how we do things: private property rights, individual liberty, personal responsibilty, generally free markets, enforcement of contracts. "liberal" was more about why we do things: no one can possibly succeed on their own, we all are interdependent and rely on each other, we have a moral responsibility to help those least fortunate: "I have drunk from wells I did not dig; and warmed myself at fires I did not build."

Not everyone seems to agree with defining these concepts in this manner. I've been a social liberal and economic / small government conservative and quite comfortable reconciling the two without contradiction. Food drives, clothing drives, volunteer efforts, Habitat for Humanity, all seem compatible with both definitions, at least to me.

I tend to see the problem with "progressives" who seem to believe that we should be ruled by an elite that is smarter than everyone else and so has the "right" by virtue of this supposedly superior intelligence to boss the rest of us around for our own good, whether we want it, or like it, or not. They seem genuinely surprised that we don't appreciate them more.

Remember that hilarious old sit-com "Ira Magaziner, Where Are You"?
 
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Wonder if they have a new way to make the kids count to 6 (or 9, or 13)?? Then again, deer season could be VERY interesting!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/08/sd-governor-signs-bill-allowing-teachers-to-be-armed/

I had a history professor who announced, with appropriate concern, that deer hunting season had just begun in Colorado, and that there were now the equivalent of a couple of divisions of dudes with rifles prowling around.

I'd imagine most South Dakota teachers want no part of packing heat in the classroom. But I seriously hope the next Adam Lanza shows up in the class room of one of the ones who will be armed and get his sh*t blown clean away. Of course, he would have already gotten in to the building, one presumes, which means there might already be a stack of bodies outside the armed teacher's classroom. But hey, NRA fantasies are always so entertaining..
 
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http://sunlightcities.tumblr.com/image/44063197938

Besides English, what's the primary secondary language in your county?

The Chinese spots look like Cornell and Harvard.

That's a funny map. Someone stuck the U.P. full of Mexicans, and then put "German" for Ontonagon. :) I spose there's no available color for Finnish, since "Scandinavian" doesn't technically include Finnish. So let's go with Spanish and German, close enough!
 
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So what's-is-name, the fat little dude up in N. Korea voided the truce, essentially declaring war on both the U.S. and South Korea. What's up with that? This goes way beyond any of the silly threats made by the old man that I can remember. Do we just continue to ignore, minding that his army is made up of half-starved midgets with 1950's weapons and technology but possibly backed by China if needed... or should we take out the leadership and assume responsibility for all those half-starved midgets, which would aggravate our Chinese overlords... or take a middle road of a diplomatic ****ing contest where we beat our chest and act tough, or what?
 
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Rand Paul's been getting a lot of press lately, and I have to say for a GOP nominee in 2016 he fits all the requirements of a party looking to get younger and add some excitement but stay ideologically pure.

Think about it. GOP traditionally likes their nominees to be tall white males with anglo-saxon sounding last names who happen to be scions of famous families. Check on all of those factors. Currently they also like anti-establishment conspiracy theorists. You aren't going to out black helicopter Rand Paul on your best day, unless you're his father. ;) Speaking of him, there's a ready list of big money supporters handy to finance a bid, AND there's the additional benefit of libertarians taking over the state party in several key states.

But what about the issues? Here's where being a libertarian has its advantages. Given that single women now make up the same % of the voters as evangelical Christians, its going to be real hard for a stridently anti-choice candidate to win the Presidency. When a guy like Romney says he's against abortion but won't really do anything about it, nobody believes him. Paul however can argue that the feds interfering in this issue violates his beliefs on the role of govt regardless of his personal views and you can't accuse him of being ideologically inconsistant. Same with gay marriage.

As part of the no-taxes-for-anyone crowd he's got that issue sewn up as well. His filibuster and confrontation with Hillary Clinton during Benghazi hearings only further his stature. Lastly, on foreign policy again libertarianism is an easier sell than the dying neo-conservative philosophy of Bush-Cheney and currently practiced by McCain. After making the necessary sop to Israel, you can take the dude's word that he probably wouldn't have gotten us involved in Iraq for example.

Mind you, he'd get crushed in the general election because he's bat chit crazy but really, who stops him from getting the nomination? Had Santorum eeked out a win in Michigan he could very well have been the GOP nominee last year and he was way underfunded. Rubio is more of a VP candidate. Jeb Bush is a retread who hasn't run a campaign since 2002. Christie is too fat and will get tarred as a RINO Northeast liberal. Rick Perry came off as a buffoon last time and besides aren't we done with Texas Republicans for President at this point? The only thing I could see standing in his way is a really deep pocketed Romney-like candidate who can win a war of attrition, but aside from the aforementioned Jeb Bush I'm not sure who that would be.
 
Re: The 2nd Term - Round 2 - Amensty for Some, Miniature AR-15s for Others...

Rand Paul's been getting a lot of press lately, and I have to say for a GOP nominee in 2016 he fits all the requirements of a party looking to get younger and add some excitement but stay ideologically pure.

Think about it. GOP traditionally likes their nominees to be tall white males with anglo-saxon sounding last names who happen to be scions of famous families. Check on all of those factors. Currently they also like anti-establishment conspiracy theorists. You aren't going to out black helicopter Rand Paul on your best day, unless you're his father. ;) Speaking of him, there's a ready list of big money supporters handy to finance a bid, AND there's the additional benefit of libertarians taking over the state party in several key states.

But what about the issues? Here's where being a libertarian has its advantages. Given that single women now make up the same % of the voters as evangelical Christians, its going to be real hard for a stridently anti-choice candidate to win the Presidency. When a guy like Romney says he's against abortion but won't really do anything about it, nobody believes him. Paul however can argue that the feds interfering in this issue violates his beliefs on the role of govt regardless of his personal views and you can't accuse him of being ideologically inconsistant. Same with gay marriage.

As part of the no-taxes-for-anyone crowd he's got that issue sewn up as well. His filibuster and confrontation with Hillary Clinton during Benghazi hearings only further his stature. Lastly, on foreign policy again libertarianism is an easier sell than the dying neo-conservative philosophy of Bush-Cheney and currently practiced by McCain. After making the necessary sop to Israel, you can take the dude's word that he probably wouldn't have gotten us involved in Iraq for example.

Mind you, he'd get crushed in the general election because he's bat chit crazy but really, who stops him from getting the nomination? Had Santorum eeked out a win in Michigan he could very well have been the GOP nominee last year and he was way underfunded. Rubio is more of a VP candidate. Jeb Bush is a retread who hasn't run a campaign since 2002. Christie is too fat and will get tarred as a RINO Northeast liberal. Rick Perry came off as a buffoon last time and besides aren't we done with Texas Republicans for President at this point? The only thing I could see standing in his way is a really deep pocketed Romney-like candidate who can win a war of attrition, but aside from the aforementioned Jeb Bush I'm not sure who that would be.

The GOP will make him fit into the establishment. He has no chance.
 
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GOP traditionally likes their nominees to be tall white males with anglo-saxon sounding last names who happen to be scions of famous families.

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Could be you're mixing up the Pauls with some other Pauls that I'm not remembering from the history books?
Ronald Ernest Paul was born on August 20, 1935, in Pittsburgh, the son of Howard Caspar Paul, who ran a small dairy company, and Margaret née Dumont.[9][10] His paternal great-grandparents emigrated from Germany, and his mother was of German and Irish ancestry
Or do you mean the ol' man constitutes a famous family himself by virtue of being a politician?
 
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Could be you're mixing up the Pauls with some other Pauls that I'm not remembering from the history books?
Or do you mean the ol' man constitutes a famous family himself by virtue of being a politician?

The second one. Its a name well versed in Republican politics (for all his bluster I believe Ron Paul always remained within the party during his Congressional career).
 
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