The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

So Sandy passed the Senate 62-36 for $50B anyways. Don't know that the GOP will get any slack for passing this as they put up so much resistance...or for putting up so much resistance as they helped pass it.

And this is how many days after the debt ceiling increase? Exactly.

 

[Rover]

It will come as a shock to everyone here that you regard Texas and California as comparable in enforcing the death penalty. Since the modern era of executions began (following the Gregg decision) with the execution of Charlie Brooks in '82, Texas has executed 492 inmates (#493 is scheduled for tomorrow) . During the same period, California has executed 13! There's a huge difference between actually executing a piece of sh*t, and merely sentencing him to death with very little chance he'll actually pay the price. And every dang execution in California is such a big freakin' deal. Witness the hullabaloo surrounding "Tookie" Williams, who after all wrote a children's book on death row and only killed four (or was it 5?) people.

In Texas, and to a lesser extent Florida, when they sentence you to death they're fixin' to come get you. And the sooner the better. Among the big states, I'd imagine Texas is the safest, although an active death chamber would only be part of the mix. While lower murder rates cannot and should not be attributed only to the death penalty, neither should vigorous application of that penalty be ignored as a factor.

Opie, check out this link and scroll down to the states and then let me know about Texas' success in reducing violent crime. About the only large state worse than it is...wait for it...Florida, a state you also sighted. Given this info would you care to rethink your position?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

 

[Rover]

you do realize that one has to work the land to get money out of it? there isn't a ticket oak growing out there


(dems are so funny sometimes... first rover thinking that breaking a gun law would keep gangs off the streets now this )

Hey I prefer the defeatist attitude of the right. "Oh well, can't stop people from killing people so might as well arm toddlers so they can defend their elementary school".

 

[geezer]

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Hey I prefer the defeatist attitude of the right. "Oh well, can't stop people from killing people so might as well arm toddlers so they can defend their elementary school".

You're exaggerating our position: Nobody under the 5th grade should be given a gun, unless it's just a semiauto that holds less than 10 bullets.

 

[mookie1995]

Hey I prefer the defeatist attitude of the right. "Oh well, can't stop people from killing people so might as well arm toddlers so they can defend their elementary school".

Not that buddy... You can write all the new laws you want. Little wanna be gangsters are picked up all the time... THERE IS NO PLACE TO PUT THEM

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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You're exaggerating our position: Nobody under the 5th grade should be given a gun, unless it's just a semiauto that holds less than 10 bullets.

That's what Nerf is for.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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I'd like to feel sorry for you, but it's tough when realizing that simply means you're sitting on god knows how much money in land for that to even be an issue.

Its nice to see that you think it is OK to force people to pay millions of dollars in taxes just to simply continue to make a living. Nice, real nice.

 

[unofan]

Its nice to see that you think it is OK to force people to pay millions of dollars in taxes just to simply continue to make a living. Nice, real nice.

Comeon nancy, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. If you're paying millions in estate taxes, that means the land you're sitting on is worth many, many millions. It also means you failed to plan ahead by incorporating your farm.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Comeon nancy pull youself up by your bootstraps. If you're paying millions in estate taxes, that means the land you're sitting on is worth many, many millions. It also means you failed to plan ahead by incorporating your farm.

If the farm was incorporated, we'd just be paying the same taxes on shares of that corporation that were being inherited. The land is worth many millions of dollars, but it is an absolute NECESSITY for farming, if we don't have it, my family's business is dead.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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If the farm was incorporated, we'd just be paying the same taxes on shares of that corporation that were being inherited. The land is worth many millions of dollars, but it is an absolute NECESSITY for farming, if we don't have it, my family's business is dead.

Unofan may be a crazy commie, but he isn't stupid, and does have a point. I don't like the inheritance taxes, either, but as of this moment, they are what they are. Perhaps your father and grandfather should discuss some sort of sale prior to death. I don't know if there's anything illegal about an insanely low price with a possible royalty in perpetuity, sort of like how some jerks in monopoly do an all-your-properties-for-$1 trade just to screw over someone else. Maybe work it out to where the taxes would be somewhat affordable so you don't get hit with the death tax.

 

[walrus]

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If the farm was incorporated, we'd just be paying the same taxes on shares of that corporation that were being inherited. The land is worth many millions of dollars, but it is an absolute NECESSITY for farming, if we don't have it, my family's business is dead.

We don't need no stinkin' farmers.

 

[Old Pio]

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Opie, check out this link and scroll down to the states and then let me know about Texas' success in reducing violent crime. About the only large state worse than it is...wait for it...Florida, a state you also sighted. Given this info would you care to rethink your position?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

Always attack. Always argue tu quoque and ad hominem. Always change the subject.

After I posted I wondered if I should make it clear that murder rates and violent crime rates are two different although related things. But I thought, even Rover isn't intellectually dishonest enough to conflate the two. I was wrong.

And you really should try to be consistent from one post to the other. First you prattle on about supporting (or at least not opposing) capital punishment. Next post you drag out all the typical ACLU inspired arguments against it.

You're the one who made the ridiculous capital punishment comparison between Texas and California. But hey, changing the subject and attacking are the specialty of the house. Even so, anyone reading your comparison realizes how really stupid it was.

 

[MinnFan]

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Comeon nancy, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. If you're paying millions in estate taxes, that means the land you're sitting on is worth many, many millions. It also means you failed to plan ahead by incorporating your farm.

The question for me is why do other people (gov't) have first claim to that land, regardless of its value, just because someone died?

 

[Rover]

After I posted I wondered if I should make it clear that murder rates and violent crime rates are two different although related things. But I thought, even Rover isn't intellectually dishonest enough to conflate the two. I was wrong.

And you really should try to be consistent from one post to the other. First you prattle on about supporting (or at least not opposing) capital punishment. Next post you drag out all the typical ACLU inspired arguments against it.

Opie apologies if a concept like "I support capital punishment as a matter of justice, not because I think its a crime deterent" is too deep for you. Have you had yourself examined recently? You're usually a little more lucent than that. Texas is a violent place, and clearly having the death penalty isn't deterring crime. As the Prez once said, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

So, mass murders, cop killers, etc etc can and should get to face the ultimate penalty. Don't like the punishment, don't do the crime is my answer. But its ludicrious to suggest that the death penalty states are safer because of it. They're not, as statistics prove. Sorry if you don't like that, but I have a feeling after the last election there's a lot of things that you don't like that you might want to start getting used to. Immigration reform for one!

 

[Old Pio]

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Opie apologies if a concept like "I support capital punishment as a matter of justice, not because I think its a crime deterent" is too deep for you. Have you had yourself examined recently? You're usually a little more lucent than that. Texas is a violent place, and clearly having the death penalty isn't deterring crime. As the Prez once said, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

So, mass murders, cop killers, etc etc can and should get to face the ultimate penalty. Don't like the punishment, don't do the crime is my answer. But its ludicrious to suggest that the death penalty states are safer because of it. They're not, as statistics prove. Sorry if you don't like that, but I have a feeling after the last election there's a lot of things that you don't like that you might want to start getting used to. Immigration reform for one!

Always attack. Always argue tu quoque and ad hominem. Always change the subject.

Since Texas is "a violent place" isn't it possible there would be more murders if they relaxed their approach to capital punishment? For the most part, my experience has been anti-death penalty types advance the strawman deterrent arguement. If capital punishment deters, terrific. If not, I don't care.

Also, I think the word you were going for there was lucid not lucent.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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The question for me is why do other people (gov't) have first claim to that land, regardless of its value, just because someone died?

I would have to imagine that the government claims estate taxes due to lost revenue from the person dying. As if living is a contract.

 

[unofan]

I would have to imagine that the government claims estate taxes due to lost revenue from the person dying. As if living is a contract.

Part of it is compensation for the stepped-up basis for capital gains purposes.

 

[Rover]

Always attack. Always argue tu quoque and ad hominem. Always change the subject.

Since Texas is "a violent place" isn't it possible there would be more murders if they relaxed their approach to capital punishment? For the most part, my experience has been anti-death penalty types advance the strawman deterrent arguement. If capital punishment deters, terrific. If not, I don't care.

Also, I think the word you were going for there was lucid not lucent.

Opie I'm not attacking you nor changing the subject. In fact, I'm agreeing with you about the need for the death penalty. Sadly I think you often fall into the same trap conservatives in Congress do, which is to oppose all things Obama even if its something they themselves support. Same concept here.

What I will also say is that too many conservatives think of Texas as some sort of Shangri-La (feel free to correct if I got that spelling wrong . This is a place that has given us Tom DeLay, Rick Perry and best of all, George W Bush. Must be something in the water! BTW - As I don't believe you're from Texas or live in Texas to my knowledge, don't take this as an attack on you.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

Opie I'm not attacking you nor changing the subject. In fact, I'm agreeing with you about the need for the death penalty. Sadly I think you often fall into the same trap conservatives in Congress do, which is to oppose all things Obama even if its something they themselves support. Same concept here.

What I will also say is that too many conservatives think of Texas as some sort of Shangri-La (feel free to correct if I got that spelling wrong . This is a place that has given us Tom DeLay, Rick Perry and best of all, George W Bush. Must be something in the water! BTW - As I don't believe you're from Texas or live in Texas to my knowledge, don't take this as an attack on you.

I worked in Houston for 11 years and came to appreciate much about Texas and Houston. Texas has a unique history. It was once an independent nation. And the legend is that Emily Morgan, "the yellow rose of Texas," played a key role at the battle of San Jacinto. Houston is a city with enormous "can do" spirit. To turn itself into the 4th busiest American port (despite being inland) Houston built the ship channel. To bring major league baseball to town, Houston built the first indoor air conditioned baseball stadium. Houston also built the first retractable roof football stadium with natural turf. And Houston built a massive, marvelous center for the performing arts soley through donations. Not a dime of public money was used.

Judging a state solely on the basis of the people it sends to Congress or elects governor is a fool's errand. Sort of like judging Mass. solely because of the Kennedy gang. None of the Texas worthies you mentioned drowned a young girl and then ran away.

 

[The Exiled One]

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The question for me is why do other people (gov't) have first claim to that land, regardless of its value, just because someone died?

Let's flip the question: When a person dies, who deserves their assets? Why?