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The 2024 GQP Thread: Because Deutsche Gopher Fan ENDED the Last One

Ugh. Which made me realize the dipshits in the house will probably give him a state funeral and lie in repose


we must retake the house.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I don't support capital punishment because the state should not be in the business of killing people, especially when you just can't "know" in 100% of cases.

But nitrogen is absolutely the least cruel of a cruel and awful punishment. We had a couple people go unconscious in a nitrogen accident a number of years ago. They later said it was just like falling asleep.
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Except the state botched it somehow and he didn't just slip off into the night peacefully. Took him 22 minutes to die. Whether that was intentional or not, who knows.

From a philosophical perspective, I would not be 100% against the death penalty. I think there are crimes heinous enough that redemption is not possible and the criminal forfeits his or her life by committing those acts. Honestly, run of the mill murder doesn't cut it, either. I'm thinking things like mayhem (torture), aggravated rape, etc. which to me are way worse than shooting someone in the chest or back of the head.

But realistically, the death penalty has never been applied even handedly, fairly, or in a limited manner. The fact that we know innocent people have been executed by the state is enough for me to be against it in the real world, let alone the other issues with its application.

In terms of means of execution, the State punishes but should not seek vengeance against its own citizens. So yeah, it should be as quick and painless as possible. The forfeit of the life is the punishment, adding unnecessary pain is simply wrong. The state should be held to a higher standard than the criminal.
 
unofan said:
Except the state botched it somehow and he didn't just slip off into the night peacefully. Took him 22 minutes to die. Whether that was intentional or not, who knows.

From a philosophical perspective, I would not be 100% against the death penalty. I think there are crimes heinous enough that redemption is not possible and the criminal forfeits his or her life by committing those acts. Honestly, run of the mill murder doesn't cut it, either. I'm thinking things like mayhem (torture), aggravated rape, etc. which to me are way worse than shooting someone in the chest or back of the head.

But realistically, the death penalty has never been applied even handedly, fairly, or in a limited manner. The fact that we know innocent people have been executed by the state is enough for me to be against it in the real world, let alone the other issues with its application.

In terms of means of execution, the State punishes but should not seek vengeance against its own citizens. So yeah, it should be as quick and painless as possible. The forfeit of the life is the punishment, adding unnecessary pain is simply wrong. The state should be held to a higher standard than the criminal.
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100%. I'm not categorically against it. But when you mix in this country's penchant for -isms, it's a really bad combo to give the state power over life.

And I don't know how you fuck that up. You literally just flood it with n2.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I don't support capital punishment because the state should not be in the business of killing people, especially when you just can't "know" in 100% of cases.
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The state kills people all the time without knowing whether they are innocent or guilty. War. Cops. Economic policy. Industrial development.

The question is, should the Justice Department be in the business of killing people. My argument is predicated on the assumption that there are cases, yes, where we can give law lethal force. Because we can do whatever we want, and do so. There are no absolutes -- we are making it up as we go along, as best as we can.

Principle isn't a guide to anything, it's just hiding some choices by elevating others.
 
Kepler said:
Principle isn't a guide to anything, it's just hiding some choices by elevating others.
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This. I say this all the time at work.

“We need to write down a policy for that.”

”You mean you want to pre-decide on future choices before you know any of the facts, and when you do have the facts, you’re going to deviate from the policy anyway, so why are you wasting your time on a policy?”
 
dxmnkd316 said:
100%. I'm not categorically against it. But when you mix in this country's penchant for -isms, it's a really bad combo to give the state power over life.

And I don't know how you **** that up. You literally just flood it with n2.
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I imagine it is similar to the symptoms and effects of nitrogen narcosis when scuba diving on a tank of regular air (not special mixed gases) at a technical depth (> 120 ft). If you stay down long enough and let N2 continue to build in your body's tissues, you'll sail right past mere intoxication/drunkeness and poor judgment. It will often result in panic, convulsions, and, when underwater, death by drowning before the N2 gets you. A heavily narced diver can and has killed other divers who were trying to help them. So I am actually not that shocked at the result in this case.
 
LynahFan said:
This. I say this all the time at work.

“We need to write down a policy for that.”

”You mean you want to pre-decide on future choices before you know any of the facts, and when you do have the facts, you’re going to deviate from the policy anyway, so why are you wasting your time on a policy?”
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Because the policy is not to guide you. It is to cover your company at the trial when they knife you.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I imagine it is similar to the symptoms and effects of nitrogen narcosis when scuba diving on a tank of regular air (not special mixed gases) at a technical depth (> 120 ft). If you stay down long enough and let N2 continue to build in your body's tissues, you'll sail right past mere intoxication/drunkeness and poor judgment. It will often result in panic, convulsions, and, when underwater, death by drowning before the N2 gets you. A heavily narced diver can and has killed other divers who were trying to help them. So I am actually not that shocked at the result in this case.
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Could be. The situation the people at work went into was a pure nitrogen environment. They walked into the room and just fell over. It was a miracle no one died.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
100%. I'm not categorically against it. But when you mix in this country's penchant for -isms, it's a really bad combo to give the state power over life.

And I don't know how you **** that up. You literally just flood it with n2.
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I think part of the reason that states continue to fuck this up is that there are very very few doctors who would consult and provide expertise on how to kill someone. An anesthesiologist is probably the best person to keep someone comfortable, but for good reasons, I do not think there is on present at the vast majority of state killings.
 
WisconsinWildcard said:
I think part of the reason that states continue to **** this up is that there are very very few doctors who would consult and provide expertise on how to kill someone. An anesthesiologist is probably the best person to keep someone comfortable, but for good reasons, I do not think there is on present at the vast majority of state killings.
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Very likely. But I'm sure someone who went to school for industrial hygiene and safety would also be quite capable.

The interesting thing is, most of the lines in our codebooks and standards come from a blood toll. Someone died or came very close for each line in those books. So we're basically rewriting them in reverse. Very weird.

also, I don't see why they don't just use like 2 g of fentanyl. I'm sure china would be happy to produce all the fentanyl or heroin we want for executions.
 
Oklahoma republicans have passed a censure condemming senator james Lankford.

why?

the crime of working with dems on immigration bill.

drew and rube: why is it so divisive???
 
Jimjamesak said:
For a $70k bonus check? The woman who is currently on the highest ever grossing concert tour is dating a football dude because of a $70k bonus check?
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Yeah, that goes the other way. Now we know why a guy who only gets a lousy $70K wants to date *her*. See Brady, Tom and Bundchen, Giselle.
 
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