The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

[FreshFish]

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Now we're negotiating? It's a negotiation tactic? You obviously don't know Mitch McConnell, the Bone Man, or the Tea Party very well.

I seriously doubt you know them any better than I do; and as far as the TEA Party goes, I'm quite sure you don't know them very well at all. I'd sooner ask a post-menopausal woman for the latest in birth control technology.

 

[FreshFish]

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Since someone else brought up the TEA Party,

I asked once what it was about a genuine grass-roots populist movement that brought out so much antipathy on the left; and my answer was one unattributed picture of someone holding a dopey sign and a bunch of high fives among the condescending cognoscenti, and nothing more.

OWS brought out bemused tolerance from the right, there was no vilification, no anger, at most some observations on how they contradicted themselves. Nothing at all like the TEA Party hysteria on the left.

I am genuinely curious, why is it that the folks who claim to be on the side of "the people" find ways to discredit "the people" when they actually present themselves?

 

[walrus]

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Now we're negotiating? It's a negotiation tactic? You obviously don't know Mitch McConnell, the Bone Man, or the Tea Party very well.

I love how its so one sided in your mind. You have swallowed the talking points hook line and sinker

 

[unofan]

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I'll take the 25 percent of it that's bad and live with it for all the rest of it that's good. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. But, I guess that's only a valid perspective for people who really want the fiscal mess to be fixed. The rest will play politics and support budgets that are much worse.

Which is why the Tea Party turned down 98 percent of what they wanted for the 2% they didn't get. Amirite?

 

[Bob Gray]

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Have you never been involved in negotiations? Have you ever once heard a person say, "okay, I'm going to tell you where I'll be satisfied at the outset and then never budge from there?" (I mean in real life, not some newspaper story about politics).

Most people who do negotiate start further from where they want to end up, so that they have room to compromise yet still get what they really want.

They say 25% with no deductions, they get 30% with only a few deductions, you think they would feel bad about that outcome?

I don't think they understand the nature of negotiations.

 

[mookie1995]

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From a member of that flaming liberal Ronald Reagan's cabinet:

Former Reagan budget director David Stockman rips the budget proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan:

"The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for 'job creators' -- i.e. the superwealthy -- to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends. The crony capitalists of K Street already own more than enough Republican votes to stop that train before it leaves the station."

"In short, Mr. Ryan's plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. "

since the tax code is already screwed up, i'd like to see something where 'job creators' (ie, S corp, proprietorships, whatnot) have a different rate [lower] than those whose W-2 is written by a corporation.

 

[mookie1995]

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What's the over/under on when the Obama campaign tucks Joe Biden away in some safe place so he doesn't make too many major gaffs late in the campaign?

Just saw the quote from Biden about how he'd trade being vice president for winning the Daytona 500 in a heartbeat. Good thing for Biden he's only got one debate with Ryan.

this makes me like him

 

[Kepler]

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That would be a good debate.

It would. And it would leave Romney and Biden to duel with the empty platitudes they are comfortable with.

It's interesting reading some of the stuff among the right pundits cautioning Ryan not to be too "intellectual." It's an odd situation -- the Republican being wonkier and more substantive than the Democrat in a Pres or VP debate.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Subscribed because I'm hoping for a hair-off between Romney/Ryan and Kerry/Edwards.

(Of course this is all moot because everybody knows Don Lucia circa 2003 has the best hair this planet has ever seen.)

 

[SteveP]

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Joe Biden... he used to be a vice president, right? It's vaguely familiar.

Miller loves him.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>To call Joe Biden an ***-hat is to do a disservice to fedoras worn on one's derriere.</p>— Dennis Miller Show (@DennisDMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/DennisDMZ/status/235476732143095808" data-datetime="2012-08-14T20:43:22+00:00">August 14, 2012</a></blockquote>
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[ScoobyDoo]

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I don't think they understand the nature of negotiations.

The Tea Party Republicans do not negotiate.

Which is why the Tea Party turned down 98 percent of what they wanted for the 2% they didn't get. Amirite?

Exactly. See above.

I love how its so one sided in your mind. You have swallowed the talking points hook line and sinker

Obama offered them a deal heavily slanted in their favor during the debt ceiling negotiations and they turned it down. Hell, Michelle Bachmann wanted to default. How do you negotiate with that? Meanwhile the Democrats CAVED on Obamacare. What I love is how you've sucked that in hook line and sinker. You're just another Rush parrot like 90% of the other righties around here.

 

[Slap Shot]

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I love how its so one sided in your mind. You have swallowed the talking points hook line and sinker

Have you paid attention to the overall discourse surrounding this election? It's embarrassing on both sides of the coin and we're just getting started.

 

[Jon]

Have you paid attention to the overall discourse surrounding this election? It's embarrassing on both sides of the coin and we're just getting started.

Stop making sense!

 

[DaveStPaul]

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Stop making sense!

You and I are done, politically!!1!

 

[joecct]

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Fitting, given the thread title: http://mobile.nytimes.com/article;jsessionid=0AC95A7AF01D0531BD9DEB30FFF07764?a=960483&f=19

OK Mr. President, what are WE selling to Russia??

 

[5mn_Major]

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I find it interesting that some here find Ryan to be so dynamic.

I was one of the first to come out saying he's a decent pick because he's a pretty smart pick. But now I'm getting sick of it as everybody is going on and on about how smart he is. Besides, I've been hearing for 4 years how being smart was over rated.

As the right says, the left is guilty of 'worshiping' Obama cause he's smart...but of course, that could never happen on the right.

 

[5mn_Major]

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So...guess what's on the front page of many of FL's newspapers? To summarize, 'Medicare is top election issue now'.

While being a pretty dull guy, Portman might have made the difference in Ohio. Is there a chance that Ryan makes the difference in Florida?

 

[Old Pio]

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I was one of the first to come out saying he's a decent pick because he's a pretty smart pick. But now I'm getting sick of it as everybody is going on and on about how smart he is. Besides, I've been hearing for 4 years how being smart was over rated.

As the right says, the left is guilty of 'worshiping' Obama cause he's smart...but of course, that could never happen on the right.

Even by your lofty standards, that's crap. Here's Ryan taking His Transcriptlessness to school. Enjoy. BTW, smart isn't always over rated. But it is in the case of this jumped up Chicago ward healer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNKfbO_PvkI

 

[BCeagle]

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It's kind of interesting that the GOP ticket is alienating the women, the minority, and elderly vote in a predicted close race with their platforms and budget plans. Now Ryan is backtracking on Ayn Rand when everyone knows she's agnostic and it was interesting how he evaded Brit Hume's questions on medicare when on Fox. How many debates are they having this fall? When in Iowa he said he was just there for the festival when the farmers have gone through difficult times with the drought and denied farm aid to help out with their plight.

 

[Old Pio]

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It's kind of interesting that the GOP ticket is alienating the women, the minority, and elderly vote in a predicted close race with their platforms and budget plans. Now Ryan is backtracking on Ayn Rand when everyone knows she's agnostic and it was interesting how he evaded Brit Hume's questions on medicare when on Fox. How many debates are they having this fall? When in Iowa he said he was just there for the festival when the farmers have gone through difficult times with the drought and denied farm aid to help out with their plight.

But Ryan hasn't killed a guy's wife. . .yet.