The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

[walrus]

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The Tea Party Republicans do not negotiate.



Exactly. See above.



Obama offered them a deal heavily slanted in their favor during the debt ceiling negotiations and they turned it down. Hell, Michelle Bachmann wanted to default. How do you negotiate with that? Meanwhile the Democrats CAVED on Obamacare. What I love is how you've sucked that in hook line and sinker. You're just another Rush parrot like 90% of the other righties around here.

Sorry Scooby, I realize it takes 2 to tango, when are you going to realize that both sides want to F you. Yet you'll continue to vote straight D right down the ticket

 

[5mn_Major]

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You're viewing that one piece in isolation. As a whole his budget is fiscally conservative.

Or many pieces of Ryan's legislation. Personally I don't mind as I felt they were important, but Ryan voted both for the auto bailout and TARP bailout for the banks. We'll see how broaches those. Ryan also voted to create the Medicare prescription drug benefit, whose cost — initially estimated at $400 billion over a decade, according to the Los Angeles Times — so rankled conservatives that House Republican leaders had to take extraordinary efforts to pass the legislation by a razor-thin majority. Ryan backed the 2005 transportation legislation that included a litany of earmarks, including for the notorious “Bridge to Nowhere” in Alaska. Though the vast majority of the House supported the bill, a handful of anti-earmark hardliners such as Flake and current Speaker John Boehner rejected it. In fact, if you feel that GOP leadership of the 00's spent too much during a period where the country was doing fine...Ryan has voted at least 90 percent of the time with his party since he came to Capitol Hill in 1999, according to The Washington Post’s votes database.

“Obviously, those votes certainly don’t make me happy,” said Amy Kremer, chairwoman of the Tea Party Express, one of the country’s most influential tea party organizations — though she was quick to say she was pleased with Ryan’s selection as Mitt Romney’s running mate. “I think that he’s somebody who’ll stand up and accept responsibility for previous actions,” she said. “There is no perfect politician,” Kremer added. “There are many of them that have had votes that we aren’t happy about. But we were in a different time period then, and those votes are actually what led to this movement being formed.”

More on this at Paul Ryan’s voting record: Big-spending conservatism...Politico.

 

[FreshFish]

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There have been Obama ads on television in Connecticut, and I have to wonder why?

Connecticut is something like the 5th-bluest state in the US. Does Obama feel he needs to shore up support there?

 

[mookie1995]

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So... "put y'all back in chains"

 

[FreshFish]

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Breaking news....

The Romney-Ryan ticket gets another boost today when about 400 prominent economists from industry and academia endorsed his economic revival and jobs plan.[emphasis added] We came across an advance copy of the statement which reads: "We enthusiastically endorse Governor Mitt Romney's economic plan to create jobs and restore economic growth while returning America to its tradition of economic freedom. The plan is based on proven principles: a more contained and less intrusive federal government, a greater reliance on the private sector…" The statement refutes many of the Obama campaign's loud claims that Mr. Romney's math doesn't add up.

At least four of the signatories are Nobel prize winners, including Gary Becker, Robert Lucas, Robert Mundell and Edward Prescott. Other highly respected economic thinkers on the list include Phil Gramm, Martin Feldstein, and noted supply-side guru Arthur Laffer. The scholars say they agree with the Romney plan's intention to "reduce marginal tax rates on business and wage incomes and broaden the tax base to increase investment, jobs, and living standards." Mr. Obama has lambasted the Romney tax cuts as a giveaway to the rich that will end up leaving the middle class carrying the bag.

Economists Jim Carter and Glenn Hubbard, both of whom worked in the Bush White House, say they "are constantly adding more names." The purpose of the letter is to add scholarly gravitas to the Romney plan for rebuilding the economy.

The economists' letter also takes a shot at Mr. Obama's economic strategies which they believe "only prolong slow growth and high unemployment." They specifically criticize the "stimulus programs," ObamaCare, the rise in the debt burden and the regulatory explosion imposed on small businesses. They warn that in a second term Mr. Obama is likely to "double down on the failed policies."

 

[Kepler]

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There have been Obama ads on television in Connecticut, and I have to wonder why?

Connecticut is something like the 5th-bluest state in the US. Does Obama feel he needs to shore up support there?

Money.

A lot of big donors live in CT. It's also Ground Zero for the insurance industry, so I'm sure there's a desire to counter some of the misinformation that comes out of that lobby on HCR.

We were on vacation in Wyoming in 1992 and Bush was running ads wall-to-wall there. Turns out half the state is retired oil men who Senior was recruiting for his gold club. Probably the same deal here.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Sorry Scooby, I realize it takes 2 to tango, when are you going to realize that both sides want to F you. Yet you'll continue to vote straight D right down the ticket

Never have. Didn't even vote for Obama in 2008.

 

[Rover]

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I love it! Even The Boner thinks his caucus is a bunch of...

"I mean, I think that he's a practical conservative. He's got a very conservative voting record, but he's not a knuckle-dragger, all right? He understood that TARP, while none of us wanted to do it, if we were going to save -- save our economy, save the world economy, it had to happen. I wish we didn't have to do it, either, but he understood that."

-- House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), defending Rep. Paul Ryan on Fox News while suggesting opponents to the bank bailouts were "knuckle-draggers."

I like how I'm growing more and more in pop culture! Pretty soon you will all start having to answer the question...does Rover imitate life, or does life imitate Rover.

PS - Fishy why are you posting pro-Obama literature? Laffer? Gramm? Bush administration economists? Is this "breaking news" a plug for Romney or for Obama?

 

[Kepler]

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Boehner actually used the term "knuckledragger" for the TPers? Super heardcore!

Rover, just translate "Breaking News..." to "According to the RNC..."

 

[Handyman]

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Money.

A lot of big donors live in CT. It's also Ground Zero for the insurance industry, so I'm sure there's a desire to counter some of the misinformation that comes out of that lobby on HCR.

We were on vacation in Wyoming in 1992 and Bush was running ads wall-to-wall there. Turns out half the state is retired oil men who Senior was recruiting for his gold club. Probably the same deal here.

Freshy is just trying to convince himself Romney is going to win and is looking for any sign of it he can. That is why after he completely biffed on the Health Care Act being overturned all of a sudden it was GOOD it was upheld and cited a bunch of bs reasons. He is big on lying to himself.

And I am sorry, no one who voted along with Dubya on his budget items gets to tout themselves as fiscal reformers. Ryan is just another fraud pretending to want to fix things. He will be no different than anyone else as proven by the fact that he only wants to cut stuff he doesnt support. If he was truly about reform he wouldnt be "negotiating" as some of you true believers pretend he is doing, he would put forth a plan that brings all spending in line. Seeing as he wont cut the military budget despite its ridiculous bloat and size proves he is just full of it.

 

[FreshFish]

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PS - Fishy why are you posting pro-Obama literature?

Country first. Politics third.

 

[FreshFish]

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That is why after he completely biffed on the Health Care Act being overturned all of a sudden it was GOOD it was upheld and cited a bunch of bs reasons.

You mis-represent me. I said that the mandate would be found unconstitutional, and it was. I never said the law being upheld was good.

I said that Roberts upheld the law by re-framing the penalty as a tax because he was intimidated by Obama's threat to demagog the ruling mercilessly all summer otherwise.

I also said that the manner in which he upheld the law would wind up subverting it, by making it unworkable.

 

[Kepler]

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Country first. Politics third.

It's only an accident that every story you post is verbatim from Red State and/or Pajamas Media.

 

[FreshFish]

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It's only an accident that every story you post is verbatim from Red State and/or Pajamas Media.

What are those? Most stories are from the Wall St. Journal, which most reasonable people would characterize as a right-of-center paper but certainly not to the extreme right like some other folks here.

Of course, if you were to stand with your arms outstretched, anything from your left elbow over would be right wing to you, no?

 

[Handyman]

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You mis-represent me. I said that the mandate would be found unconstitutional, and it was. I never said the law being upheld was good.

I said that Roberts upheld the law by re-framing the penalty as a tax because he was intimidated by Obama's threat to demagog the ruling mercilessly all summer otherwise.

I also said that the manner in which he upheld the law would wind up subverting it, by making it unworkable.

Whatever makes you think you were right...we all know the truth you put it on display in the thread you made on the subject.

 

[Rover]

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Freshy is just trying to convince himself Romney is going to win and is looking for any sign of it he can. That is why after he completely biffed on the Health Care Act being overturned all of a sudden it was GOOD it was upheld and cited a bunch of bs reasons. He is big on lying to himself.

And I am sorry, no one who voted along with Dubya on his budget items gets to tout themselves as fiscal reformers. Ryan is just another fraud pretending to want to fix things. He will be no different than anyone else as proven by the fact that he only wants to cut stuff he doesnt support. If he was truly about reform he wouldnt be "negotiating" as some of you true believers pretend he is doing, he would put forth a plan that brings all spending in line. Seeing as he wont cut the military budget despite its ridiculous bloat and size proves he is just full of it.

AMEN! Handy thanks for putting the smackdown on the rotting Fish. His take on the Health Care Ruling was right out the Drudge/RNC playbook. 1st it was going to be overturned according to himself and his ilk. Then it was really a victory after all because they didn't uphold the Commerce Clause part of it. Then it was states can opt out of Medicare expansion so that's the "win". All of this was the same pattern of logic and spin you could find by watching Fox New Cable on any given night and he followed that progression to a T.

 

[geezer]

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It's a little tiring. I'm sure most of you guys are smart enough to look at your posts and decide if you're thinking, or behaving like a 5th grade schoolgirl.

 

[Kepler]

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It's a little tiring. I'm sure most of you guys are smart enough to look at your posts and decide if you're thinking, or behaving like a 5th grade schoolgirl.

Who's acting?

 

[bronconick]

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It's a little tiring. I'm sure most of you guys are smart enough to look at your posts and decide if you're thinking, or behaving like a 5th grade schoolgirl.

 

[Kepler]

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What are those? Most stories are from the Wall St. Journal, which most reasonable people would characterize as a right-of-center paper but certainly not to the extreme right like some other folks here.

In the case of the WSJ, WSJ Pre-Murdoch was a very different fish than post-Murdoch. Their editorial policy went not so much farther "right" than farther "right powers that be." That usually aligns with the Republican party in general, and the corporate con win of the GOP in particular.

But most of your posts are naked talking points from the RNC. Even the language used, the 'bated breath stylistics, and the "I must sadly inform you" concern troll delivery is Freep 101.

It is unusual to meet that here. Even the most extreme posters here appear to think through their own opinions and post them, and not just slavishly copy-paste entire screeds circulating in the Echo Chamber. We know where those are if we want them.

We're pretty smart here. If you want to parry thoughts and ideas, that's wonderful, there's lots of room. If you want to retweet the latest excretions from Michelle Malkin's anus, that's your right, but don't expect to be taken seriously.