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The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament

The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament

P.S. USA Today quotes Rogge (IOC President) today as saying-.."It's unlikely women's hockey will be cut from the Olympic program, adding that it will get another Winter Games or two for the rest of the world to catch up. 'Women's hockey is a growing sport,' he said, 'There is no doubt that in the future, women's hockey will be a hit.' "
 
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Kudos to Szabados, Davidson, and the Canadian team. What a smart move to mix in a couple of high tempo scrimmages. As evidenced by the 5x3, the US was just not sharp. And the reason the US was not more creative is that the Canadians dictated the style of play resulting in too much individualism from the US players. Canada took the US out of its game.

My only criticism of Johnson's coaching is that once he saw how the Canadians were defending the 5x3 he should have switched the D to their off-wings. There was no threat of a shot on the D to D passes giving the PK too much time to cut off shooting and passing lanes.
 
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moxie said:
There was no threat of a shot on the D to D passes giving the PK too much time to cut off shooting and passing lanes.
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I'm no Scotty Bowman myself (shocker, eh? understatement? LOL, go ahead, give it to me good..... :cool: ) but I agree with this, and I'd also add that if you're not playing for the one time point shot as Moxies points out, then why bunch up three forwards so they are easily covered down low?

In all seriousness, I welcome a legitimate answer to improve my understanding. I would think you'd bunch them if you're looking for the quick one timer, in which case you'd switch the D for the inside stick and the faster release.......OR......... spread out the wings in more of an umbrella to improve passing angles and the threat of creating a 2 on 1 somewhere.

Love to really understand what it is I'm not getting......Anyone? Anyone?
 
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Trillium said:
LOL.

It is most unfortunate that there are Americans who are such poor sports about losing that they would grasp at straws about something so trivial.

Don't you have an economy to worry about? Soldiers dying in Afghanistan? Sarah Palin's latest escapades even? Anything better than this that is actually NEWSWORTHY!?

In Canada, the picture of the girls lying on the ice with the beers was front and centre in the Toronto papers like it was expected, a normal thing, a good thing even. No big deal.

If you can show me a kid who hasn't had a beer underage, I'll show you a freak. Welcome to the real world.
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Hold on there! Don't associate the American media's pathetic need to create scandal and negativity with Americans in general, or even poor sportsmanship. They would have been just as happy to trash the American team if it had been US players on the ice with gold medals and beer. What's worse, since the US drinking age is 21, there probably would have been an actual investigation.
 
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5 4 Fighting said:
To add some clarity, here is what the Canadian Press is saying:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/life/Canada+marks+gold+medal+with+beery+party/2616647/story.html

Move along...nothing to see here...
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I am really very disappointed in Hockey Canada choosing to issue an apology for this, and is seems the vast majority public opinion is in line with my view.

Fortunately, neither the kerfuffle nor the subsequent apology by Hockey Canada was published in the print edition of the Toronto Star, only in the online edition. Here's the article and associated reader input

http://olympics.thestar.com/2010/ar...ada-sorry-as-hockey-women-party-at-centre-ice

A few representative sample comments:

"If the IOC does not like it, they can leave anytime they want...tough beans...we are Canadians and it's what we do"

"people on high horses need not attend...this was wrong? This was Canadian! Congrats girls, have one on me."

"Lighten up. The IOC needs to go back to counting their bribes and leave the athletes alone"

"Do you realize 18 year women fight and die in wars? These are real women...who celebrate in true Canadian fashion. Your critics have lost touch with reality"

"This media reporting is disgusting"

"Oh please. This is no reason to be sorry. There is no issue here"

"I am deeply offended by the IOC and the apology by Hockey Canada. Who is going to apologize to me for that?"

"Scandalous? Really? Take away the apology by Hockey Canada and the story has no teeth...The press should take a good look at themselves and they might understand why the public has lost faith in their work"

"Why apologize? Hockey Canada needs to get their heads out of their butts and stand up for the women instead of capitulating to the IOC. What a joke!"

"Someone underage drank a beer? Here in Canada? ...C'mon people lighten up. I hope they have a little chuckle in private about this brouhaha, which is nonsense"

"I'm more bothered by the apology than I am by the way they celebrated"

"This isn't a story. It's a poor loser story. Whoever reported this should be ashamed"

"We need new people at the head of the IOC who know what is happening in the 2000 (sic) century. Keep the beer flowing"

"Big deal. Let's not let the fourth estate turn this non-event into a cause celebre. None of these women has anything to be sorry about and neither does Hockey Canada"
 
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Trillium said:
"Someone underage drank a beer? Here in Canada? ...C'mon people lighten up. I hope they have a little chuckle in private about this brouhaha, which is nonsense"
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Another great word......."Brouhaha"... ha ha :D :D
 
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BTW...The country I grew up in your are allowed to drink at age 16, but cannot get a drivers licence until you are 19.

So I admit it...I had a beer at a Bar at 16...and guess what....It was legal :)

In the very same country you can have a beer at a public beach, 100% legal if you are of age.

(off course this is the also same place where some young women walk around the beach topless, and no one blinks an eye.)
 
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The local sports radio guys made an excellent point...

These IOC guys should get their priorities straight....On the one hand they frown on some small celebration of a gold medal and one player being underage and drinking...On the other hand they had to order more condoms to be handed out to the athletes at the village and they don't seem to have a problem with that. Grrrrrr....I'd much rather my D has a beer than the other option at a younger age.
 
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OnMAA said:
In the very same country you can have a beer at a public beach, 100% legal if you are of age.

(off course this is the also same place where some young women walk around the beach topless, and no one blinks an eye.)
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I'd call this enlightened.
 
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I thought the game last night was a great, hard-fought contest that was won by the better team. Canada's goaltender was outstanding, and as it turned out, two goals were enough. I thought it was a classy move by the crowd to chant U-S-A at the medal ceremony. Those girls played hard and have nothing to be ashamed about. As I alluded to in an earlier post, I wanted Team USA to win, but in the end I was very happy for (former Buckeye) Tessa Bonhomme. She'll always be a Buckeye to us Ohio State alums and fans. As for the celebration afterward, I think it's ridiculous that such a big deal is being made out of it. Those Canadian girls earned that and IMHO they didn't need to apologize for anything. Apologize for what ... celebrating winning a gold medal in the Olympics?!? Give 'em a break!! Typical negative media ... always trying to put a negative spin on things and create controversy where there isn't controversy. And yes, I had a beer before I reached the legal age of 19 (you can tell how old I am as they raised it to 21 in the late 80's if I am not mistaken).
 
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Team Finland could use Noora to help out the men's team today.:eek:
 
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Trillium said:
I am really very disappointed in Hockey Canada choosing to issue an apology for this, and is seems the vast majority public opinion is in line with my view.

Fortunately, neither the kerfuffle nor the subsequent apology by Hockey Canada was published in the print edition of the Toronto Star, only in the online edition. Here's the article and associated reader input

http://olympics.thestar.com/2010/ar...ada-sorry-as-hockey-women-party-at-centre-ice

A few representative sample comments:

"If the IOC does not like it, they can leave anytime they want...tough beans...we are Canadians and it's what we do"

"people on high horses need not attend...this was wrong? This was Canadian! Congrats girls, have one on me."

"Lighten up. The IOC needs to go back to counting their bribes and leave the athletes alone"

"Do you realize 18 year women fight and die in wars? These are real women...who celebrate in true Canadian fashion. Your critics have lost touch with reality"

"This media reporting is disgusting"

"Oh please. This is no reason to be sorry. There is no issue here"

"I am deeply offended by the IOC and the apology by Hockey Canada. Who is going to apologize to me for that?"

"Scandalous? Really? Take away the apology by Hockey Canada and the story has no teeth...The press should take a good look at themselves and they might understand why the public has lost faith in their work"

"Why apologize? Hockey Canada needs to get their heads out of their butts and stand up for the women instead of capitulating to the IOC. What a joke!"

"Someone underage drank a beer? Here in Canada? ...C'mon people lighten up. I hope they have a little chuckle in private about this brouhaha, which is nonsense"

"I'm not bothered by the apology than I am by the way they celebrated"

"This isn't a story. It's a poor loser story. Whoever reported this should be ashamed"

"We need new people at the head of the IOC who know what is happening in the 2000 (sic) century. Keep the beer flowing"

"Big deal. Let's not let the fourth estate turn this non-event into a cause celebre. None of these women has anything to be sorry about and neither does Hockey Canada"
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I agree Trillium, rest assured that if this was two European teams battling it out for the Gold in Women's Hockey and a couple of Heineken were consumed by the winning team there would nigh a word said. The IOC are for the most part, a bunch of rich European aristocrats that seem to have as much power as the Pope.
 
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US and Canada better be careful. They both blew out Norway. Canada all over Russia and quite possibly the Slovaks tonight. USA trouncing Finland. Jacques might be watching...

Any thoughts on how people would improve the format of the Olympic tournament???

Thinking off the top of my head here but what if the IIHF used the world rankings as of the Worlds before the Olympics to set a "winner's pool" and a "qualification pool" for the Olympics? So for this Olympics, USA, Canada, Finland and Sweden would have been the winner's pool. Have them play essentially a 4 Nations Cup to determine seeding #1-#4. Then the qualification pool teams play a round robin of their own with the top two teams qualifying for a 6-team knockout round. Top 2 seeds get a bye to start while #3 plays #6 and #4 plays #5 with the winners coming back the next day to play the top two teams in the semis. Winners play for the title.

Obviously even Sweden and Finland didn't put up the kind of fight that was expected or hoped for this time around but the idea here would be to keep the better teams playing each other as much as possible, minimize the Canada-Slovakia matchups and still have each game mean something. I get the best-of-3 argument for the gold because we assume US vs. Canada in the finals and want to see more of that but I don't like it in the sense that if a 2006-type upset happens in the semis, it reduces the chance of that cinderella team actually winning the tournament because that team would have to beat the US and/or Canada 3 out of 4 games.
 
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5 4 Fighting said:
I agree Trillium, rest assured that if this was two European teams battling it out for the Gold in Women's Hockey and a couple of Heineken were consumed by the winning team there would nigh a word said. The IOC are for the most part, a bunch of rich European aristocrats that seem to have as much power as the Pope.
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You apply a different standard 5 4 fighting, when a Brown Women's hockey player takes a sip. You're all aboard to execute her. Same goes for you Trillium. You've had a lot to say when it was Brown player.
 
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In the mean time the US men are Clobbering the Fins 6-0 in the Semi-Final at the midway point in the second period.
 
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irishbridie49 said:
You apply a different standard 5 4 fighting, when a Brown Women's hockey player takes a sip. You're all aboard to execute her. Same goes for you Trillium. You've had a lot to say when it was Brown player.
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There's a pretty huge difference between either <over> imbibing in the pre-season during training, or in season, when there is generally a formal code of conduct in effect. When I played we signed a contract limiting our alcohol intake to no more than two 12 oz wine or beer per week.

Completely unequatable with moments immediately following a winning Olympic Gold Medal run.

I really wish you Brown folks would dry up, because I am getting a hangover from YOUR WHINE:mad:
 
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Firstly, as a neutral can I congratulate Team Canada on an excellent technical (possibly clinical) display to win the gold. Both teams were quite evenly matched but Canada appeared to have greater strength on and off the puck. It took till after the second goal for Team USA to realise that Canada were leaving a man high in the slot. Once they sorted that out, no more goals.

I'm sorry but as a European I find it astounding that the celebrations were reported in that manner. You North Americans have a strange attitude to alcohol.:D I was asked twice for I.D. during my many visits and I am in my 50's (and look it) !

PS Out of curiosity did this link work over the pond? http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/
 
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