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The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
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Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
That might have been true when most programs were developed in the late 1990s, but you don't think that college hockey will survive now and hopefully keep expanding just because the German and Slovakian teams stink? Compare it to softball--do you think softball will decline at its roots and at the college level just because it's no longer an Olympic sport and the Chinese have given up on it since there's not any national prestige to be gained from it? Softball will be fine, as would hockey.
Wouldn't it be great if the best Canadians played for McGill or the U of Manitoba and the number of scholarships available to American girls doubled? Why aren't Canadian universities allowed to give athletic scholarships? Is it a PC thing? Has an American ever played hockey on a Canadian college hockey team or a Brazilian college volleyball team or a Swedish college tennis team? Why are American universities the caretakers of the world's olympic athletes? Why is Northern Iowa University responsible for feeding, housing and training Kenyan long-distance runners and Lithuanian basketball players? I guess I just don't understand the global economy of sport....
That might have been true when most programs were developed in the late 1990s, but you don't think that college hockey will survive now and hopefully keep expanding just because the German and Slovakian teams stink? Compare it to softball--do you think softball will decline at its roots and at the college level just because it's no longer an Olympic sport and the Chinese have given up on it since there's not any national prestige to be gained from it? Softball will be fine, as would hockey.
Wouldn't it be great if the best Canadians played for McGill or the U of Manitoba and the number of scholarships available to American girls doubled? Why aren't Canadian universities allowed to give athletic scholarships? Is it a PC thing? Has an American ever played hockey on a Canadian college hockey team or a Brazilian college volleyball team or a Swedish college tennis team? Why are American universities the caretakers of the world's olympic athletes? Why is Northern Iowa University responsible for feeding, housing and training Kenyan long-distance runners and Lithuanian basketball players? I guess I just don't understand the global economy of sport....
Hux
Alfond to Ridder & rinks in between
Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
That is already being done, with Jim Craig working the phone lines to get Czech players over here and into schools. Last winter we had a Czech U18 player on the Shamrocks, and we looked into bringing another over this year. Unfortunately grades and finances prevented her coming.
Not much point in bringing a team over to Chowder Cup when the best players will be playing in Chicago in April, and where ever come next January (or whenever they schedule the U18 Worlds for 2011) and they will be seen by pretty much every college.
It will take another Olympic cycle or two before we see the results, but the effort put into the U18s will pay off with increased competitiveness at the National/Olympic team level. However, I agree that all the eggs shouldn't be put into the Elite basket, and if money were spent on creating girls programs at a younger level you would see an increase in participation. As I understand it, the biggest deterrent to increased participation in Europe isn't cost, time commitment, or societal views, but a plain and simple lack of rinks, and thus ice time. The same problem exists in some spots here, and prevents towns from having girls teams.
That is already being done, with Jim Craig working the phone lines to get Czech players over here and into schools. Last winter we had a Czech U18 player on the Shamrocks, and we looked into bringing another over this year. Unfortunately grades and finances prevented her coming.
Not much point in bringing a team over to Chowder Cup when the best players will be playing in Chicago in April, and where ever come next January (or whenever they schedule the U18 Worlds for 2011) and they will be seen by pretty much every college.
It will take another Olympic cycle or two before we see the results, but the effort put into the U18s will pay off with increased competitiveness at the National/Olympic team level. However, I agree that all the eggs shouldn't be put into the Elite basket, and if money were spent on creating girls programs at a younger level you would see an increase in participation. As I understand it, the biggest deterrent to increased participation in Europe isn't cost, time commitment, or societal views, but a plain and simple lack of rinks, and thus ice time. The same problem exists in some spots here, and prevents towns from having girls teams.
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OnMAA
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Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Some good Canadians stay at home. Best examples are the TC players from McGill and the TC U22 players from McGill, Laurier and Alberta. One of the best U18 D players is headed to U of Man.
Canadian schools are allowed to give a $3500 stipend towards tuition for a limited set of varsity students. Entry marks have to be at least 80% to be eligible. Not all school choose to dish out this money.
I do know of at least two American girls playing on CIS teams in Ontario, but it is rare.
Some good Canadians stay at home. Best examples are the TC players from McGill and the TC U22 players from McGill, Laurier and Alberta. One of the best U18 D players is headed to U of Man.
Canadian schools are allowed to give a $3500 stipend towards tuition for a limited set of varsity students. Entry marks have to be at least 80% to be eligible. Not all school choose to dish out this money.
I do know of at least two American girls playing on CIS teams in Ontario, but it is rare.
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Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Canada vs. Sweden coming up....oh boy!! Is anybody else annoyed with AJ Melesco(sp) and her commentary? I think she rambles and often ends her long sentences with stupid facts just to come to an end.....like listening to Phil Sims on CBS....she knowsher stuff but just won't shutup at times,,anyone? Bueller?
Canada vs. Sweden coming up....oh boy!! Is anybody else annoyed with AJ Melesco(sp) and her commentary? I think she rambles and often ends her long sentences with stupid facts just to come to an end.....like listening to Phil Sims on CBS....she knowsher stuff but just won't shutup at times,,anyone? Bueller?
Hux
Alfond to Ridder & rinks in between
Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
And you think that a team of Czech kids playing in Chowder is going to accomplish that? How many US teams, with far more talented kids, enter Chowder and get the crap kicked out of them by a team with current and future D1 talent on them? Plenty. And if you put them in the A division no one is going to go watch them anyway.
And you think that a team of Czech kids playing in Chowder is going to accomplish that? How many US teams, with far more talented kids, enter Chowder and get the crap kicked out of them by a team with current and future D1 talent on them? Plenty. And if you put them in the A division no one is going to go watch them anyway.
Pucky-Bucky Backer
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Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Random stats from D-1 womens' rosters:
Canadians
Alberta: 47
Ont: 134
Man: 22
Que: 22
Sask: 15
B.C. 18
other: 13
US
Minn: 137
Mass: 67
NY: 34
Mich: 26
Col: 15
Wisc: 14
N.Dak: 4
other: 160
Europe
Finns: 7
Swedes: 6
Swiss: 4
others: 7
Random stats from D-1 womens' rosters:
Canadians
Alberta: 47
Ont: 134
Man: 22
Que: 22
Sask: 15
B.C. 18
other: 13
US
Minn: 137
Mass: 67
NY: 34
Mich: 26
Col: 15
Wisc: 14
N.Dak: 4
other: 160
Europe
Finns: 7
Swedes: 6
Swiss: 4
others: 7
Pucky-Bucky Backer
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Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
I didn't have the time to split out all the US states, but I noticed that Illinois and California had more players than Wisconsin. Only one D-1 team had no player from outside the US; Boston College. I used the current rosters from each team on USCHO; it shows the Lamoureux twins with UND.
I didn't have the time to split out all the US states, but I noticed that Illinois and California had more players than Wisconsin. Only one D-1 team had no player from outside the US; Boston College. I used the current rosters from each team on USCHO; it shows the Lamoureux twins with UND.
Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
Team China actually spent several months in the Toronto area playing games as preparation for the Olympics.
They were here from August through October, and again in the for nearly a month until mid-February prior to flying out to Vancouver. In between, they spent some time in Finland playing as well.
In Toronto they played close to 30 games, against a variety of PWHL teams, Canadian University teams, a couple of CWHL teams, and the 2 Team Ontario U18 teams. So, they are getting exposure to Western Hockey
They did manage to beat several of the University and CWHL teams and some of the weaker PWHL teams. They had a hard time though against the top PWHL teams.
My daughter had the privilege of playing against them multiple times. On each occasion there was a banquet afterwards where the girls and coaches could interact.
Team China's English skills are very limited, though I am sure these experiences are beneficial from not only a hockey perspective but a language one. This barrier would however explain why there are not more players recruited to the NCAA from China.
Team China actually spent several months in the Toronto area playing games as preparation for the Olympics.
They were here from August through October, and again in the for nearly a month until mid-February prior to flying out to Vancouver. In between, they spent some time in Finland playing as well.
In Toronto they played close to 30 games, against a variety of PWHL teams, Canadian University teams, a couple of CWHL teams, and the 2 Team Ontario U18 teams. So, they are getting exposure to Western Hockey
They did manage to beat several of the University and CWHL teams and some of the weaker PWHL teams. They had a hard time though against the top PWHL teams.
My daughter had the privilege of playing against them multiple times. On each occasion there was a banquet afterwards where the girls and coaches could interact.
Team China's English skills are very limited, though I am sure these experiences are beneficial from not only a hockey perspective but a language one. This barrier would however explain why there are not more players recruited to the NCAA from China.
Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
IMHO the quickest (and perhaps only) way to grow the game internationally and make the games more competitive would be for several NA players to represent some of these countries in these international competitions to make the games even watchable. Let's be real. 10-0 games are not watchable, they are painful, even for a dedicated women's hockey fan! And Canada is even beating up on Sweden as we speak to that magnitude.
How about sending some NA players with Chinese heritage there for a couple of years to bolster their squad? Starting up teams representing Great Britain, Italy, etc with a core of former NCAA players with those roots.
It's hard to imagine many girls in Russia or anywhere will take up a sport in which the game is not exciting, their teams are embarassed and fail to register even significant shots on goal.
There was a columnist from a major Toronto newspaper (who is also a strong feminist and sports reporter too), who said yesterday that these games are akin to strangling kittens. Her solution to ensure Womens hockey is not removed from the Olympics would be to do as they did in bobsled (I think it was), and allow Canada and US to enter 2 teams each. By splitting their talent in half in this way , this would help bridge the huge divide with remaining nations, as well as making the eventual medal winning teams and positions for each team far less obvious.
IMHO the quickest (and perhaps only) way to grow the game internationally and make the games more competitive would be for several NA players to represent some of these countries in these international competitions to make the games even watchable. Let's be real. 10-0 games are not watchable, they are painful, even for a dedicated women's hockey fan! And Canada is even beating up on Sweden as we speak to that magnitude.
How about sending some NA players with Chinese heritage there for a couple of years to bolster their squad? Starting up teams representing Great Britain, Italy, etc with a core of former NCAA players with those roots.
It's hard to imagine many girls in Russia or anywhere will take up a sport in which the game is not exciting, their teams are embarassed and fail to register even significant shots on goal.
There was a columnist from a major Toronto newspaper (who is also a strong feminist and sports reporter too), who said yesterday that these games are akin to strangling kittens. Her solution to ensure Womens hockey is not removed from the Olympics would be to do as they did in bobsled (I think it was), and allow Canada and US to enter 2 teams each. By splitting their talent in half in this way , this would help bridge the huge divide with remaining nations, as well as making the eventual medal winning teams and positions for each team far less obvious.
Blackbeard
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Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
12-0 Canada after 2. Everything is going in...3 goals in 59 seconds...4 flukey goals...Martin yanked after 10 goals halfway thru 2nd period (she wasn't getting much, if any, help). Only 2 goals on Grahn for the balance of the period.
12-0 Canada after 2. Everything is going in...3 goals in 59 seconds...4 flukey goals...Martin yanked after 10 goals halfway thru 2nd period (she wasn't getting much, if any, help). Only 2 goals on Grahn for the balance of the period.
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Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
If you think Mlesko (Sp?) is Annoying, you should probably consider yourself lucky (though I haven't heard her).I suspect you haven't heard Cassie Campbell on the Canadian broadcast. She makes me want to throw something at her! I'd actually rather spend an hour listening to ccookie.
Samples from the Canada/Sweden broadcast:
("complimenting" M.P. Poulin's goal in the 1st....)
"For an 18 year old, her skills and abilities are just silly"
(with Canada already out front 5-0 after 1 period and a 32-2 shot advantage, in commenting on the placements in their pool)
"This game isn't close to over. We'll have to wait and see whether Canada or Sweden ends up first in their pool"
I just couldn't listen or watch any more after that.
If you think Mlesko (Sp?) is Annoying, you should probably consider yourself lucky (though I haven't heard her).I suspect you haven't heard Cassie Campbell on the Canadian broadcast. She makes me want to throw something at her! I'd actually rather spend an hour listening to ccookie.
Samples from the Canada/Sweden broadcast:
("complimenting" M.P. Poulin's goal in the 1st....)
"For an 18 year old, her skills and abilities are just silly"
(with Canada already out front 5-0 after 1 period and a 32-2 shot advantage, in commenting on the placements in their pool)
"This game isn't close to over. We'll have to wait and see whether Canada or Sweden ends up first in their pool"
I just couldn't listen or watch any more after that.
and get your mind out of the gutter. or at least leave me out of it
and get your mind out of the gutter. or at least leave me out of it
and get your mind out of the gutter. or at least leave me out of it
....Hey DC, hows that 4 years of growth measuring up?
CanHockGuy
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Re: The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament
How about the Poulin goal where she commented that no NHL goalie could have stopped that puck.
How about the Poulin goal where she commented that no NHL goalie could have stopped that puck.