The 2010 Winter Olympics Women's Ice Hockey Tournament

[unofan]

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uhhhh, yeah, he did say that as we are talking about developing and growing the sport. its a really simple concept. but then again, you said there was no talent in Europe so I don't really expect you to grasp this one.

No, I didn't. I said there's less talent over there. i also said it's not a college coach's job to grow the sport, but to win games. Taking those assertions together, if you can recruit 3 players from North America for the same amount of money as it takes to find one from Europe, then take a guess as to where that money's going.

You're the one saying recruiting from Europe needs to happen, and fast. So for the third time, I'll ask the simple question. Why?

 

[RStarr]

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I'll ask the simple question. Why?

To grow the sport of hockey internationally.


And you can win games (lots of games) with Europeans. You must have missed out on Iya's time....or Maria's......

 

[unofan]

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To grow the sport of hockey internationally.

Not the responsibility nor job of an NCAA coach. Try again.

And you can win games (lots of games) with Europeans. You must have missed out on Iya's time....or Maria's......

Never said you couldn't. But generally speaking, you're just as likely to find a person of equal talent stateside with a lot less effort.

Additionally, somehow basketball developed well enough internationally without resorting to scouting 7th graders and bringing them over to the USA.

Jesus H. Christ in a handbasket, you've got me saying player development in basketball is actually logically better than something else. That in and of itself should make you question the sanity of your proposed solution.

 

[Shipe Family]

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It is a mystery to me why the Womens game has not yet developed to the elite international level in that country. My sense is that hockey is considered a male bastion sport, that the women shy away from as a result. The NA culture has instilled womens rights much quicker on this continent than anywhere else. My sense is that role models are needed to help grow the female game over there, for it to happen sooner rather than later.

In a way it is sad that the girl banned from UMD could not continue. She would be the perfect kind of role model to help grow the game over there. Be succesfull over here and then be a role model over there, to show what it can do for you.

Russia is in the process of making major investments to its women's program next year in anticipation of the 2014 Olympics. They are expanding their league, adding experienced coaches and making a substantial financial commitment.

As for Iya, I think that her sanction from playing at UMD was unfortunate considering that the compensation she received for playing hockey while living away from home and going to high school was a drop in the buck compared to what an average prep school player can receive for housing, food, books, etc. The NCAA is woefully out of step with the global marketplace and needs to review its policies and make changes accordingly.

 

[RStarr]

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Jesus H. Christ

whoa buddy....no need to blow a gasket in that handbasket.

The NCAA is woefully out of step with the global marketplace and needs to review its policies and make changes accordingly.

nail on the head!

 

[brookyone]

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Not the responsibility nor job of an NCAA coach. Try again.

Bingo!

What a difficult reality to grasp.

 

[brookyone]

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The NCAA is woefully out of step with the global marketplace and needs to review its policies and make changes accordingly.

The NCAA bears responsibility for facilitating development of internationally competitive women's hockey programs overseas?

 

[RStarr]

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Bingo!

What a difficult reality to grasp.

We grasp this concept. But it comes at a price. are you ready to give up Olympic hockey?

Unofan said that its the NCAA coaches job to win games. You can win games while recruiting European players. It might be more work, but the extra effort will pay off in other ways no?

 

[Shipe Family]

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The NCAA bears responsibility for facilitating development of internationally competitive women's hockey programs overseas?

No, the NCAA needs to be in-step with scholar-athletes that come from different countries that use a different accounting practice for its prep school programs than the United States.

 

[unofan]

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The NCAA bears responsibility for facilitating development of internationally competitive women's hockey programs overseas?

He/she has a point that the NCAA's policies regarding international players are out-of-date - but that's true across all sports, not just women's hockey.

 

[unofan]

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It might be more work, but the extra effort will pay off in other ways no?

You tell us, since you're the one advocating that position.

And once again, Olympic hockey ain't going anywhere so long as men's hockey is around. Use it as a scare tactic to rile up the masses if you must, but you're dead wrong about it just the same.

 

[RStarr]

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He/she has a point that the NCAA's policies regarding international players are out-of-date - but that's true across all sports, not just women's hockey.

I'll agree with this.

 

[RStarr]

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You tell us.

I think it will/would. But I could be wrong (its happened before )

And once again, Olympic hockey ain't going anywhere so long as men's hockey is around. Use it as a scare tactic to rile up the masses if you must, but you're dead wrong about it just the same.

I really hope that you're right.

But beyond losing it, I want other countries to be more competitive too...and like I said before, I'll wait as long as it takes. I just think there are other (better) ways of supporting international growth.

 

[brookyone]

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No, the NCAA needs to be in-step with scholar-athletes that come from different countries that use a different accounting practice for its prep school programs than the United States.

Thank you.

 

[ARM]

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My view: if the rules are wrong, change them.

The NCAA is woefully out of step with the global marketplace and needs to review its policies and make changes accordingly.

nail on the head!

I'll take that to mean that you and I aren't that far off, you've just decided that we are.

You can win games while recruiting European players. It might be more work, but the extra effort will pay off in other ways no?

How deep is that European talent pool? Take Nina Tikkinen, for example, who was one of the 5 best players on the ice in both of the Finland games thus far. She's currently tied for 60th in the WCHA in scoring. I've watched her play live, and she's a nice player, and because she doesn't attend UMD, I don't think there is any venom clouding my judgement. But I don't know how many full scholarships teams are going to give out to players who are too far below her in ability. When you get down to the 4th line role players, teams usually don't have a lot of scholarship dollars available. Given the number of teams that have some European representation, I don't think it is a case of NCAA teams being unwilling to recruit these athletes, rather that there are only so many with the ability and desire to attend school and play hockey here.

 

[RStarr]

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I'll take that to mean that you and I aren't that far off, you've just decided that we are.

errr, ummm....Go USA?

 

[IceIsNice]

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I'll take that to mean that you and I aren't that far off, you've just decided that we are.

errr, ummm....Go USA?

Did you two just kiss and make up? How fricken sticky cute is that?

 

[OnMAA]

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Na. i don't think we should help out at all. That way, more girls with talent like Iya will have to take a stipend to be able to make ends meet to even afford to play the sport. Then they will all be ineligible to play in the NCAA. And that for sure will help the sport grow internationally.

Huh . I thought you were on my side on this one.....
...or am I simply not able to follow your logic.

 

[Angus]

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In trying to see the "should-women's-hockey-be-dropped-from-the-Olympics" argument from the perspective of a sportswriter, I can understand that the preliminary games have given the typical writer very much to actually write about. Other than to speculate about Lawler's injury, I can't even come up with anything to say about these games in casual conversation.

I'm also not sure that many writers consider the Winter Olympics to be any sort of a plum assignment. (I remember how, in 2002, the Orlando Sentinel sent Mike Bianchi--a football writer--to Salt Lake City.) It's easy to write that the IOC should drop women's hockey from the Olympics, but that doesn't mean it's being seriously discussed by anybody other than some Boston Globe correspondant looking to write something with a little bit of edge. (And it worked--his piece was picked up down here by the local Sarasota paper).

I haven't looked at any of the women's hockey video from Nagano recently, but I reckon that if I did, it would seem as though I had taken a quaalude or something. I really think that the whole style of play has not only gotten quicker, but it's also opened up considerably--players taking shots from much further out, etc. I haven't checked out very much from the Canadian games yet--is Wickenheiser still running over European blueliners afraid of being called for checking?

 

[RStarr]

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Did you two just kiss and make up? How fricken sticky cute is that?

we aim to please....