The 2010 Beanpot: Featuring One Team Under Consideration

[Terrier520]

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Haha. Nice.

Tufts is kind of weird. Great school, but I'm not surprised you'd never heard of it. They're big in the world of academia, but the students there don't seem particularly happy from my experience.

And my last point on the D1 sports thing - take the athletic director at BU and ask him what he would choose between keeping his current basketball program or having one like BC's... would he say , 'yeah, we could use the extra $5.5 million, ESPN exposure, and frequent appearances in the NCAA tournament,' or would he say 'we wouldn't be as good as Duke, so what's the point?'

Do we have any Whalers fans out there? 'The Whalers sucked anyway... what's the point of even having an NHL team? At least the Hartford Wolf Pack know their place in the AHL!'

Our AD loves that BU really has a LOT of sway in America East. I've talked to him; he'd rather make AE stronger than put BU in a weaker conference (sounds odd, since no one else seems to believe that).

 

[Rover]

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Why would BC fans be jealous of BU hockey when they could be jealous of North Dakota or Michigan? Right rover?

Now you're getting it! While BU does have more championships than BC, I wouldn't necessarily expect BC fans to be jealous of BU's program.

The part I love though is an 11 AM game on channel 56, which draws about as many people as those who bother to attend the game, somehow equals the SEC game of the week, and then the national title or BCS bowl game on network TV. Man, I gotta buy some stock in whoever owns channel 56. Didn't realize they were pulling in such high rating.

Bottom line, BC athletics is insignificant even on the Boston sports scene. If they weren't, they'd sell out. While its nice for the obligatory back page write up on the Globe (a paper hemmoraging circulation), frankly NU hoops is getting more press than BC nowadays, and I wouldn't say they've captured the sports consciousness of the region either.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Where's Limey with his breakdown of Trivino, etc.?

It is a good question. That guy is an epic bust so far. Real milk-carton legend. Todd must be really upset about promising all those fat BU girls at a Beanpot to him when he was being recruited. Surely, he could have promised them to someone better.

 

[northeastern]

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[jcarter7669]

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Why would BC fans be jealous of BU hockey when they could be jealous of North Dakota or Michigan? Right rover?

Exactly Nick. You are catching on now. And after only 5-6 pages of discussion. Really goes to show you are a BC grad and not a BC student as SuperJoe still hasn't caught on.

Doesn't North Dakota have 7? So what's the big deal about having 5? 3...5... No difference, really.

Actually the difference is 2.

 

[Agganis]

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The issue with traveling student hockey fans is usually less an issue of who is a big enough fan to go and more an issue of who has transportation to get you there. Parking at BC for students is somewhere between ridiculous and nonexistent. I would guess that it's probably a similar situation at BU.

I'd agree with that, one of the factors for the house I'm looking to rent next year is the fact that I'd get a parking space, as a BU students parking pass costs something ridiculously high and doesn't even guarantee you a parking spot, just if you can find one in a lot you can take it. And anyone who is bringing a car to a game can usually fill it.

The diehard students at both schools are probably very similar in size and dedication.

Well of course dedication is equal when you're comparing fans of equal dedication.
As for size I'd argue that BU has more diehard fans who are willing to make trips, as we did fill over 2 sections for the Manchester Regional, and filled 1.5 in DC with an overflow of students who couldn't fit in those sections. I haven't seen BC do that for games 1.25 and 7 hours away from campus respectively, if you have let me know, I haven't really been paying that close of attention.
Certainly a lot of it has to do with hockey being the main sport at BU, while BC has other big sporting events, but that is why I don't mind that BU doesn't have football or big time basketball (besides the fact that basketball is IMO, incredibly boring). But I'm sure you're not complaining that you have the first or second most prominent Basketball and Football combos in New England, so its a win win.

Not for nothing, but there were about twenty of us BC students at Lowell on Saturday.

This kind of proves my point, for games at BC, NU, UML and MC, the less than 1 hour trips, I'd be disappointed if we only had about 20 students. And in the 9(?) games we've had there over the past 2 years I think the worst attendance was at UML this year, which still had a little over 20.

I wish we could get more to the slightly longer trips to PC, UNH, and UMass, though.

There were six current students at Alfond. Half of us just happened to work for the FreeP.

If the Freep brought 3, then there were actually 5 current students for the game this year, 3 who were students last year, and 2 who were students the year before, however we did bring 10 last year, plus however many of you Freep'ers there were.

 

[J.D.]

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It is a good question. That guy is an epic bust so far. Real milk-carton legend. Todd must be really upset about promising all those fat BU girls at a Beanpot to him when he was being recruited. Surely, he could have promised them to someone better.

What, 0 even strength goals in all 22 games as a sophomore doesn't do it for you?

 

[Deuce]

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If every school in the country sent one fan representative to Agganis for a non-BC hockey game just once (pick one game, it doesn't matter which) the entire country would see just how fraudulent that ZOMGSUPERAWESOME fan base is.

That would be nice.

Like Gibber? Admittedly, our students this year have been struggling at times.

I wasn't just talking about this year.

If, in what BU fans are saying is a weak season for the student section, a "fan representative of a school went to Agganis for a non BC game" and said this:

Had a great time at Agganis tonight, and once again, I must say, the BU student section/band is matched by none in Hockey East, I don't think its even close. Kudos to you guys and gals!

take pride in the fact that that may not be your 'A' game, but the student fans/band at Agganis are still head and shoulders above anywhere else in Hockey East.

then saying you weren't just talking about this year doesn't strengthen your argument.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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If, in what BU fans are saying is a weak season for the student section, a "fan representative of a school went to Agganis for a non BC game" and said this: [Gibber quote] then saying you weren't just talking about this year doesn't strengthen your argument.

Well I mean, geez, if you like robots, they're great.

Take off the scarlet lenses. Without the BU band, the student section would sit on their hands the whole game. Has Gibber ever been to Matthews?! That's a student section.

Major props to the BU band. Chris Parks has built probably one of the best pep bands in the country. But if you really think the student section would be anything without them, you're delusional. They're merely programmable robots as it is.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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Certainly a lot of it has to do with hockey being the main sport at BU, while BC has other big sporting events

That's definitely part of it, but the fact that BU has more than twice as many undergrads is a bigger part, IMO.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Maybe rover can fill us in on his thoughts. How would the busts of the last 13 or 14 years be ranked? A few names to throw out. We'll project Trivino at his current pace I guess?


1a Sabo (Top stud out of the NTDP. 76 career points in 4 years. But he "sets the tone" said Gentry... or was it Babbitt?)

1b Chris Bourque (2nd rd pick. 23 pts and a 0.0 GPA in 35 games)

1c Trivino (2nd rd draft pick. 24 points in 1.5 years)

2 The Riga Rocket (4th rd pick. 29 points in 130 career games in 4 years)

3 Klema (5th rd draft pick. 43 points in 3 years before being kicked off the team by Angry Jack)

4 McConnell (2nd rd draft pick out of the NTDP. 88 career points over 4 years)

5 Kenny Roche (3rd rd pick. 89 points in 154 games over 4 years)

6 Brian Collins (3rd Rd pick - 99 career points)

7 Gregg Johnson (8th Rd. draft pick. 47 career points over 4 years)

8 Ken Magowan (7th Rd pick. 66 career points over 4 years)

9 Skladany (5th rd pick. 94 career points in 4 years)

10 Maiser (5th Rd draft pick out of the NTDP. 44 points in just 2 years before packing his bags because Parker was a mean drunk)

11 Schaeffer (6th rd pick. 54 in 152 games)

12 DVG (7th Rd. pick. 93 pts in 143 games over 4 years. Injured in a good senior season)

13 Dan Spang (2nd round pick. 70 pts in 143 games. Was, however, an AA because Jack lobbied for it every night before throwing the rest of the team under the bus and everyone bought it)

14 Jason Lawrence (NTDP biggie. 97 pts in 158 career games)

 

[Scarlet]

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Maybe rover can fill us in on his thoughts. How would the busts of the last 13 or 14 years be ranked? A few names to throw out. We'll project Trivino at his current pace I guess?


1a Sabo (Top stud out of the NTDP. 76 career points in 4 years. But he "sets the tone" said Gentry... or was it Babbitt?)

1b Chris Bourque (2nd rd pick. 23 pts and a 0.0 GPA in 35 games)

1c Trivino (2nd rd draft pick. 24 points in 1.5 years)

2 The Riga Rocket (4th rd pick. 29 points in 130 career games in 4 years)

3 Klema (5th rd draft pick. 43 points in 3 years before being kicked off the team by Angry Jack)

4 McConnell (2nd rd draft pick out of the NTDP. 88 career points over 4 years)

5 Kenny Roche (3rd rd pick. 89 points in 154 games over 4 years)

6 Brian Collins (3rd Rd pick - 99 career points)

7 Gregg Johnson (8th Rd. draft pick. 47 career points over 4 years)

8 Ken Magowan (7th Rd pick. 66 career points over 4 years)

9 Skladany (5th rd pick. 94 career points in 4 years)

10 Maiser (5th Rd draft pick out of the NTDP. 44 points in just 2 years before packing his bags because Parker was a mean drunk)

11 Schaeffer (6th rd pick. 54 in 152 games)

12 DVG (7th Rd. pick. 93 pts in 143 games over 4 years. Injured in a good senior season)

13 Dan Spang (2nd round pick. 70 pts in 143 games. Was, however, an AA because Jack lobbied for it every night before throwing the rest of the team under the bus and everyone bought it)

14 Jason Lawrence (NTDP biggie. 97 pts in 158 career games)

You think JLo belongs here? I don't know, it's probably the BU fan in me, but he made up for a LOT last season. I don't think I would trade his excellent senior year for a better freshman/soph/junior year for him, you know? That could be because we're still so close to last season. YMMV, of course.

 

[mookie1995]

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Thanks Nick. It's stuff like this I miss the most, post-banishment.

 

[Terrier520]

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Maybe rover can fill us in on his thoughts. How would the busts of the last 13 or 14 years be ranked? A few names to throw out. We'll project Trivino at his current pace I guess?



12 DVG (7th Rd. pick. 93 pts in 143 games over 4 years. Injured in a good senior season)

I'm not sure if I'd call him a bust. He had plenty of injuries, but had a very good second half of his senior campaign. I believe once he scored (1st round of Beanpot), he had a point in every game that year.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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What is the difference between these two groups?

Group A: Boston College, Duke, Notre Dame, Stanford

Group B: Connecticut, Florida, Florida State, Ohio State

It doesn't take a BU graduate to know which group is more desirable from an academic and athletic standpoint.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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I struggled with Lawrence but decided to put him on there in the last spot. He was still mightily hyped coming off the big year with the NTDP being with Kessel and Gerbe. Only now is it apparent the pts were only because of the other two guys. Draft status helped keep him so far down, though. Defensemen were awful tough to gauge (although Redlihs stuck out like a sore thumb).

The fact remains. Trivino is on pace to push Sabo and Bourque for the #1 spot!!

 

[Agganis]

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That's definitely part of it, but the fact that BU has more than twice as many undergrads is a bigger part, IMO.

Probably another large factor, but I do think BU brings more than double the number of students BC brings on many equidistant road trips. So as always in life, multiple factors are at work.

Take off the scarlet lenses. Without the BU band, the student section would sit on their hands the whole game. Has Gibber ever been to Matthews?! That's a student section.

Major props to the BU band. Chris Parks has built probably one of the best pep bands in the country. But if you really think the student section would be anything without them, you're delusional. They're merely programmable robots as it is.

I know Gibber doesn't have Scarlet lenses, and being a photographer I assume he's been to every HE arena multiple times. It's hard to factually state out of two good, but different, student sections that one is superior, and I would have to imagine you have more bias in this topic than Gibber, but who knows, he may be a closet BU fan.

As for the band argument, it's rarely fully understood, because it has only been in its current form for less than ten years, so even few BU alums understand how often they take suggestions from the students, to cater more to what we want, versus we react to what they do, without thought. Sure if Bob the drunk freshman runs up to Chris Parks and says "Play Coldplay right now, dude" he's not going to just do it, but if he knows you he actually encourages suggestions. There are numerous songs that are now played every game that resulted from students asking for them because they knew they would go over well with the students over just the last couple years. And you say we'd be much worse without them, and I say any student section would be much worse without 80 dedicated fans who are always willing to chant.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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I'm not sure if I'd call him a bust. He had plenty of injuries, but had a very good second half of his senior campaign. I believe once he scored (1st round of Beanpot), he had a point in every game that year.

He was at a PPG pace in that senior year. He did very well after coming back. Really liked him as a player, personally. But still, the prior 3 years left something to be desired production wise. He brought a lot of other stuff to the table, though.

 

[Terrier520]

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As for the band argument, it's rarely fully understood, because it has only been in its current form for less than ten years, so even few BU alums understand how often they take suggestions from the students, to cater more to what we want, versus we react to what they do, without thought. Sure if Bob the drunk freshman runs up to Chris Parks and says "Play Coldplay right now, dude" he's not going to just do it, but if he knows you he actually encourages suggestions. There are numerous songs that are now played every game that resulted from students asking for them because they knew they would go over well with the students over just the last couple years. And you say we'd be much worse without them, and I say any student section would be much worse without 80 dedicated fans who are always willing to chant.

Centerfold. Every Game. When I don't hear it, I get sad.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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As for the band argument, it's rarely fully understood, because it has only been in its current form for less than ten years, so even few BU alums understand how often they take suggestions from the students, to cater more to what we want, versus we react to what they do, without thought. Sure if Bob the drunk freshman runs up to Chris Parks and says "Play Coldplay right now, dude" he's not going to just do it, but if he knows you he actually encourages suggestions. There are numerous songs that are now played every game that resulted from students asking for them because they knew they would go over well with the students over just the last couple years. And you say we'd be much worse without them, and I say any student section would be much worse without 80 dedicated fans who are always willing to chant.

I'm not talking about them playing songs that the students like, I'm talking about them being the ones who start chants and stuff like that 95% of the time.

BU students would sit on their hands the whole game if the band wasn't there to prod them in the right direction.