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The 2010 Beanpot: Featuring One Team Under Consideration

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TonyTheTiger20 said:
Forbes 2009 (which uses a WAY better system to rate schools than US News):
#5 Harvard
#16 Boston College
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#342 Boston University
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#593 Northeastern University
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That list is a joke.

25% of the rankings come from "ratemyprofessors.com?" LOL

BC at #16 (which seems too high but plausible on an opinionated list), but Dartmouth at #98 and Cornell at #105!!!?? :eek: LOL again.

BU behind such institutions of higher learning as SUNY-Environmental Science & Forestry and College of the Atlantic? EVEN YOU have to LOL.

NU at almost 600!? :eek: Even they got screwed... but not by much. ;)
 
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slurpees said:
I can pick and choose rankings too, then back them up with vague and unsubstantiated comments about their arbitrary worth compared to other arbitrary rankings!

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/hybrid.asp?typeCode=144
The ranking system is soooooo much better here.
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Please, Montana School of Mines would beat the crap out of University of Oxford on the Forbes list!:cool:
 
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Thiessen'sBetter said:
That would be the illustrious Cornell College in Iowa.

Cornell University is at 207.:eek: :confused: :D
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I thought you were joking until I actually checked it out! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I mentioned Cornell at #105 based on the Editor's intro. Even he was confused. I can't believe Forbes published this nonsense.
 
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Thiessen'sBetter said:
That would be the illustrious Cornell College in Iowa.

Cornell University is at 207.:eek: :confused: :D
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that ranking puts a lot of emphasis on how happy the students are. it seems silly, but it does have some merit. i mean everyone bickers about SAT scores and selectivity %'s and a whole lot of other stuff that is important BEFORE you get to school. atleast forbes tries to say how much you would like it AFTER you get there.

great school, but the typical cornell student is miserable.

but yah, they have some laughers on that list.
 
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Case Western at #439? Wow, Forbes is being a little lenient there aren't they.....

That list is awesomely pathetic.
 
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thanks guys, what an entertaining cup of coffee i had this morning reading the 4 pages i didnt see from yesterday, great "flamefest"!!
 
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Rover, you are a clown.

The question isn't comparing BC to Florida or Alabama (no sane person would do that), the question is whether BC athletics are 'irrelevant,' or whether the presence of football and basketball add value to the school (hell, you said they were a waste of money and resources).

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics

BC football brought in $20,711,067 last year; basketball brought in $5,688,912. "All other sports combined" brought in $6.2 million.

BU's basketball team brought in $1.8 million, while its "all others combined" (so, basially, hockey) brought in $8.2 mill.

Yeah.... no freakin' difference at all there. Why even bother?

And like I said, it's almost impossible to calculate the 'free advertising' that comes from being on the ESPNs dozens of times each year for two+ hours at a time, and being on the major networks a couple of times each year - plus getting in the Globe and other major publications pretty regularly. Nor do I have the numbers on how much more the school brings in in donations, both to the athletic department & to the university as a whole, due to the football team.

You can keep deluding yourself into thinking that's 'irrelevant' all you want, but it only makes you look like more of an idiot. And you're a fool if you don't think all this athletics exposure has a decent amount to do with the fact that BC's run laps around BU and Northeastern in terms of national prominence and desirability of the school to high school seniors around the country.

BC's basketball attendance is pretty poor, but I'm pretty sure more people go to BC women's basketball games than BU men's games. BC's 'low' (by southern pigskin standards) turnout for the bowl game in California was probably 6,000-9,000 fans. When's the last time BU, a much larger school, had 6-9k fans for a basketball or football HOME game? And as Grant said, around 7.5k of BC's 9k students go to each home football game.

I have no desire to discuss basketball and football any further, but seeing the posts from bitter BU fans is just comical. BU currently holds pretty much every trophy in college hockey (OK, Denver has the Denver Cup back, but you have the rest of them). And yet, here we are on a college hockey board, and BU fans want to take shots at BC basketball and football. That would lead me to believe there's some bitterness to our east on Commonwealth Avenue.
 
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Oh, and college rankings are stupid. I like to joke as much as the next person on here about BU being a 'safety school' and all that, but really there's no actual way to sit down and calculate how much better one school is than another. Every school has its own appeal - if that weren't so, we wouldn't need 15 contradictory lists.

You don't need to pay $30 to US News & World Report to be able to assess the relative strengths and weaknesses of the Beanpot schools. All four are good schools that have something to offer.

Harvard obviously is the superior academic institution of the four and anyone who would try to doubt that is a dope (tm).

BC is the most selective of the three remaining schools, which does not automatically make it 'better' than the others, but also indicates that most people who attend are bright. BC alums do some great work in the fields of business, law, politics, and, recently, the natural sciences. On the downside, there are certainly some students here who would have personally benefited from going to school elsewhere (i.e. not with the same socioeconomic class they spent their prep school years with).

BU is the biggest and most academically diverse of the schools, so obviously it has some things to offer that BC doesn't, meaning a lot of kids who go there would have no interest in applying to BC. Its academic resources are fantastic, especially in the science programs and for communications. Additionally, the scholarship students at BU probably had their pick of Ivies to attend (the lack of academic scholarships at BC outside of one small program is a bummer and a half).

However, it's also true that in terms of student quality, for a lot of your generic run-of-the-mill liberal arts majors, BU was a 'safety school' for kids who applied to BC. The size of the school means there are plenty of students who are dumber than a bag of hammers (see General Studies, College of).

Northeastern is.....well, they do their thing down there, and I'm sure it's super.:p

There. Done. Can we stop with the college rankings now? :cool:
 
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I wish we had a big time (conference, D1) team in football and basketball. We don't. I didn't come here because of it or not. So who cares.

BU was my safety school. I was early accept rejected by #93 Penn and needed somewhere as a fall back way back in 1986. I applied to BU and BC and got into both ( I liked Larry Bird :)). I got a map out and saw BU was closer to the city so picked that one. Only reason. First time I saw boston the city was summer orientation. I had never heard of Tufts until my 2nd sememster when I met a girl who told me she went to tufts.

Sheltered childhood for mookie! :D
 
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Haha. Nice.

Tufts is kind of weird. Great school, but I'm not surprised you'd never heard of it. They're big in the world of academia, but the students there don't seem particularly happy from my experience.

And my last point on the D1 sports thing - take the athletic director at BU and ask him what he would choose between keeping his current basketball program or having one like BC's... would he say , 'yeah, we could use the extra $5.5 million, ESPN exposure, and frequent appearances in the NCAA tournament,' or would he say 'we wouldn't be as good as Duke, so what's the point?'

Do we have any Whalers fans out there? 'The Whalers sucked anyway... what's the point of even having an NHL team? At least the Hartford Wolf Pack know their place in the AHL!' :p
 
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Wow a day away, i missed so much... especially intriguing when college hockey fans discuss BC/NU/BU academics.. no peer pressure from the area i'm sure :)

Anyway, a bit on topic..

any Harvard fan want to chime in; point or two about your team, thanks.
 
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BCWH Superfan joe said:
Do we have any Whalers fans out there? 'The Whalers sucked anyway... what's the point of even having an NHL team? At least the Hartford Wolf Pack know their place in the AHL!' :p
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There is a Sean Burke jersey hanging in my living room. And yes, they did suck :(
 
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Gentry, you're going to have to talk to your pal Copley and get this figured out. He is very high on the Forbes lists. You don't seem to like them too much but it would be much better if you can find a metric that you both agree on (and I would assume it would be an assinine one that has BU on top of BC).
 
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You know, I always thought the trick to starting a flame war is to not end up more PO'd at the end of it than the people you were trying to goad. :D BC newbies stayed up all night trying to justify their athletic program, which seems strange for such a powerhouse. Pretty lame. :cool:

So, to bring us back to square one, I'm still waiting for an answer to this one. If BU fans were inclined to be jealous of another school's athletic program, why would anyone choose BC?:confused: Your own fans don't go to the games (small D-1 facility, 4000 fans travelling to conference championship, school taking out ads before games asking for attendance, etc), there's no championships outside of hockey, and from your own postings people show up late and leave early. Why not UConn, a championship winning program with a large fan base? Or Florida if we really wanted to front run. There's nothing about BC's program that would make the average fan envious of it instead of the multiple better programs out there, except for a very good hockey team if your school wasn't a recent defending champion itself. No offense, and by all means be happy with what you got, but this comes up every other year by a newbie undergrad and every time their illusion of having "big-time" national level athletics gets crushed. Consider it my public service to you. :p
 
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