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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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The Planned Parenthood defunding worked.

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/wellness/124234928.html

Planned Parenthood is closing six clinics in outstate Minnesota on Aug. 1 because of federal budget cuts made this spring in a highly politicized abortion battle.

The state's largest provider of family planning and abortions announced the closures Monday, citing an 11 percent reduction in its budget because of cuts to the federal Title X program.

Closing are clinics in Thief River Falls, Brainerd, Red Wing, Owatonna, Albert Lea and Fairmont. They did not perform abortions, but provided services ranging from contraception to cervical cancer screenings to testing for sexually-transmitted diseases.

Good job, Republicans.
 
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This will of course save a ton of money by creating more children and more medical cost as they need more costly care when they wait longer to get attention.

Even better, this will encourage women to use the truly traditional and wholesome cervical cancer screening technology: prayer.

We all know women who get sick in their ladies parts were whores who deserved it. Jesus is funny about cooters.
 
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Even better, this will encourage women to use the truly traditional and wholesome cervical cancer screening technology: prayer.

We all know women who get sick in their ladies parts were whores who deserved it. Jesus is funny about cooters.
Surprise for them. Stat found in a study at Cornell- 9 out of 10 women who are sexually active one time have had exposure to HPV.

Gardasil study- 10K cohort pretty much concurred defining sexual activity as either intercourse or other means including hand contact. :eek: So either the praying people better be totally abstinent of all physical contact or Oh-oh.
 
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Even better, this will encourage women to use the truly traditional and wholesome cervical cancer screening technology: prayer.

We all know women who get sick in their ladies parts were whores who deserved it. Jesus is funny about cooters.

Just live your entire life by the Bible and you'll be fine. You're going to need so many stones I suggest buying your own quarry.

I'm sure most Republicans already do, given how much they drone on about it.
 
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Surprise for them. Stat found in a study at Cornell- 9 out of 10 women who are sexually active one time have had exposure to HPV.
Waaaait a minute. Did they really find a statistically significant sample size of women who have had exactly one sexual encounter? Surely that is a very, very small proportion of the female population. Or was the actual result for "women who had had one or more sexual encounters?"

This also prompts me to ask: what is the exposure rate for women who have never had *any* sexual contact? I just can't quite believe that a single encounter exposes 90% of women. I would guess that at least 10% of women have their first sexual encounter with another virgin, so it can't be the sexual contact that is causing the exposure, can it?
 
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Even better, this will encourage women to use the truly traditional and wholesome cervical cancer screening technology: prayer.
I'll screen the hot ones for cervical cancer by taste. I guarantee it to be just as accurate as prayer. :D
 
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Waaaait a minute. Did they really find a statistically significant sample size of women who have had exactly one sexual encounter? Surely that is a very, very small proportion of the female population. Or was the actual result for "women who had had one or more sexual encounters?"

This also prompts me to ask: what is the exposure rate for women who have never had *any* sexual contact? I just can't quite believe that a single encounter exposes 90% of women. I would guess that at least 10% of women have their first sexual encounter with another virgin, so it can't be the sexual contact that is causing the exposure, can it?
This was at a conference a few yrs ago. Sorry I can't quote the article and have no clue of author. I remember it because it was incredibly shocking stat snd it caused quite a buzz. Basically if you have sex you are exposed. Doesn't mean you will get disease. Just you are exposed. Kind of like everyone has staph aureus on them, latest stat shows 7 out of 10 people are colonized by MRSA (methacillin resistant S.A) but not everyone gets infection.
 
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Even better, this will encourage women to use the truly traditional and wholesome cervical cancer screening technology: prayer.

We all know women who get sick in their ladies parts were whores who deserved it. Jesus is funny about cooters.

yup, if people would just stop praying, this world would be so much better. that'd basically solve all our problems. good call.
 
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We all know women who get sick in their ladies parts were whores who deserved it. Jesus is funny about cooters.

To add to what Bob said (and keep the below passage not as exact but directional):

In North America, 750 Protestant missions presently receive and dispense $2 billion annually to those in need. Christian churches support over 500 religious rescue missions in urban areas. Organizations like the Salvation Army, Catholic Social Services, the Pew Charitable Trust, Red Cross, YMCA, YWCA, and the United Way all have explicit Christian origins and maintain their Christian identification.

But the modern link between Christianity and charity is not limited to the creation of large and successful charitable organizations. It produces more charitable individuals as well. A 1990 Gallup Report, "Religion and the Public Interest," revealed the widespread factor of Christianity and religion in charitable giving. "Churches and synagogues contribute to America's social service more than any other non-governmental institution, including corporations."

Moreover, "religious institutions contribute $1 9 billion [annually] to care for children and the elderly, education, healthy, food for the hungry, housing for the homeless." Additionally, the dollar value of church volunteers' time for such services is estimated to be more than $ 6 billion. The Washington Times, March 30, 1990.
 
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yup, if people would just stop praying, this world would be so much better. that'd basically solve all our problems. good call.

That's exactly what he said. Good job!
 
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To add to what Bob said (and keep the below passage not as exact but directional):

In North America, 750 Protestant missions presently receive and dispense $2 billion annually to those in need. Christian churches support over 500 religious rescue missions in urban areas. Organizations like the Salvation Army, Catholic Social Services, the Pew Charitable Trust, Red Cross, YMCA, YWCA, and the United Way all have explicit Christian origins and maintain their Christian identification.

But the modern link between Christianity and charity is not limited to the creation of large and successful charitable organizations. It produces more charitable individuals as well. A 1990 Gallup Report, "Religion and the Public Interest," revealed the widespread factor of Christianity and religion in charitable giving. "Churches and synagogues contribute to America's social service more than any other non-governmental institution, including corporations."

Moreover, "religious institutions contribute $1 9 billion [annually] to care for children and the elderly, education, healthy, food for the hungry, housing for the homeless." Additionally, the dollar value of church volunteers' time for such services is estimated to be more than $ 6 billion. The Washington Times, March 30, 1990.
We don't agree on a lot of things, but this is spot on. And I'd say this article you cite is only a drop in the bucket, as a lot of giving isn't funneled through religious institutions, but done directly by people. My wife and I are very happy to give to a variety of charities and do volunteer work, and so do many other folks I know. That's just not stuff that grabs headlines or feed partisan agendas. But it does do a whole lot of good stuff in this hurting world.
 
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yup, if people would just stop praying, this world would be so much better. that'd basically solve all our problems. good call.
Actually I took this differently. It isn't that praying isn't good. More that they are defunding something that is proven prevention (somewhat north of 50K deaths from cervical CA pre-pap vs 5-8K now/yr)
 
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We don't agree on a lot of things, but this is spot on. And I'd say this article you cite is only a drop in the bucket, as a lot of giving isn't funneled through religious institutions, but done directly by people. My wife and I are very happy to give to a variety of charities and do volunteer work, and so do many other folks I know. That's just not stuff that grabs headlines or feed partisan agendas. But it does do a whole lot of good stuff in this hurting world.
The world needs more people like you. (I am serious) The social net in many communities has unravelled and the more people give back the better things are.

Would there was a way to easily run a woman's clinic on volunteers. Practically impossible where I am what with liability, the cost of supplies, equipment etc. At somewhere around 65$ per test even if the 'labor' and supplies are free that is daunting.
 
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Actually I took this differently. It isn't that praying isn't good. More that they are defunding something that is proven prevention (somewhat north of 50K deaths from cervical CA pre-pap vs 5-8K now/yr)

Which is (obviously) what was intended.

People can pray all they like if it makes them feel better (power of positive thinking and all that). Prayer plus $1 worth of care likely equals about $1.01 of care. And on the off chance that the Designer of the Universe thinks you're His very special boy or girl, yes you are, you will receive enlightenment. Which is nice.

But when the nutbars defund medical care because of their superstitions, they're killing people, which, IINM, is one of the things they're not supposed to do.
 
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Which is (obviously) what was intended.

People can pray all they like if it makes them feel better (power of positive thinking and all that). Prayer plus $1 worth of care likely equals about $1.01 of care. And on the off chance that the Designer of the Universe thinks you're His very special boy or girl, yes you are, you will receive enlightenment. Which is nice.
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So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
 
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The world needs more people like you. (I am serious) The social net in many communities has unravelled and the more people give back the better things are.

Would there was a way to easily run a woman's clinic on volunteers. Practically impossible where I am what with liability, the cost of supplies, equipment etc. At somewhere around 65$ per test even if the 'labor' and supplies are free that is daunting.
Actually the crisis pregnancy center my wife and I volunteer at is largely operated by volunteers. They have three paid staff positions, and dozens of people who volunteer various amounts of time. So, it's not entirely run by volunteers, but I'd say the majority is, including skilled doctor/nurse positions. But, yah, it's certainly a challenge, and very reliant on donations and volunteerism (so we throw in some prayer for those to be provided, sorry Kepler).
 
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Actually I took this differently. It isn't that praying isn't good. More that they are defunding something that is proven prevention (somewhat north of 50K deaths from cervical CA pre-pap vs 5-8K now/yr)
I was just reacting to Kepler's obviously mocking tone, which I see continues with his latest post.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

The Planned Parenthood defunding worked.

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/wellness/124234928.html

Good job, Republicans.
The loss of family planning services for women in the affected communities could drive up state health care costs -- and the number of abortions, said Sarah Stoesz, executive director of Planned Parenthood's chapter for Minnesota and the Dakotas.

"Those who attack family planning programs under the guise of being opposed to abortion are creating the exact opposite effect and driving abortion rates up," she said.

If closing these clinics would drive up the number of abortions, then why not close the clinics that DO perform abortions??

Also, I don't think people attack family planning programs under the 'guise' of being opposed to abortion. I think we really oppose abortion.
 
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