The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

[leswp1]

Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Dear Parise - there were so many factors that contributed to housing collapse alone that they nearly render the government's participation moot. You like so many toadies forget to mention large inflows of foreign funds during this time frame, the bursting of the United States housing bubble, the increase in loan incentives that encouraged borrowers (whom never should have bought in the first place) to believe they would be able to quickly refinance at more favorable terms later on, automated underwriting practices which didn't adequately analyze the ability of borrowers to repay, the inability of buyers to make their mortgage payments (due primarily to adjustable-rate mortgages resetting, borrowers overextending to mortgages more than 4x their annual income, the jobs market, predatory lending, and speculation), overbuilding during the boom period, risky mortgage products, self-regulating by banks, high personal and corporate debt levels (Americans were saving less than ever before in hour history during this time period and household debt skyrocketed), financial products that distributed and perhaps concealed the risk of mortgage default, bad monetary and housing policies, international trade imbalances, and inadequate government regulation. Facts are lenders made loans that they knew borrowers could not afford. Never mind Wall Street's involvement on the financial side.

Is this the part where we ask you why you hate America?

 

[busterman62]

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You want to explain how the Democrats are being hypocrites about this?

Republican gets in trouble (after campaigning on "family values") = GOP support and money; Democrats call for him to resign = he doesn't resign
Democrat gets in trouble (after NOT campaigning on "family values") = Democrats and Republicans calling for him to resign = he resigns

Show me where the Democrats are displaying hypocrisy there.

Wow. Do you actually believe this drivel?

Take a few moments and try and be honest about this whole incident. With the exception of the initial tweets/photos, everything about it has been politically motivated. The conservative who leaked them was trying to score political gotcha points on a despised liberal. All of Weiner's denials, delays and disinformation were intended to save his political arse. The Repubs were keeping this in the forefront to deflect from their lack of economic plans and attempting to win back the public support they've lost with their Medicare debacle. The Dems are trying to regain the upper hand they've recently gained by pointing out that even though they're not doing anything, they're not the Repubs who are trying to "kill Medicare." If the congressman had been a major committee chair, potentially replaced by a Repub shifting the balance, a major party player, or even not the........wait for it........major league wiener that he is, we'd have heard all about how it was a personal matter between him and his family and a rebuke would have been the most we'd have seen. One needs only to look at the treatment of WJC or Barney Frank for evidence of this (and the hypocrisy you seem unwilling to see). Wiener was no big deal and had more enemies than friends, as such, getting him out quickly allows the Dems to get back to the business of pointing fingers in order to get re-elected. Simple as that and the Repubs would do the same. No one involved in this on any side can make a claim that morals had anything whatsoever to do with this.

So, to say, as you seem to be attempting to do, that one party holds a higher moral ground in this affair requires you to be one of two things. You must either be blinded by partisan loyalty or you must be blatantly stupid. Based on my impressions of your past postings, I would assume that the former is the case. As such, you have my pity. Should my assumption be wrong and it is actually the latter, I have a business opportunity for you involving oceanfront property near Bob Gray's home.

 

[leswp1]

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I thought we had all conceded that pretty much everyone on Capital Hill is poitically motivated and moral only when it suits their aim. It just depends on who is claiming they are doing it for something other than politics that changes. I wonder if they draw lots to see whose turn it is.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

I wonder if they draw lots to see whose turn it is.

"Morning Sam." "Morning Ralph."

 

[geezer]

Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

I thought we had all conceded that pretty much everyone on Capital Hill is poitically motivated and moral only when it suits their aim. It just depends on who is claiming they are doing it for something other than politics that changes. I wonder if they draw lots to see whose turn it is.

that's about it. It's quite a stretch to turn "Weiner" into some kind of holy sacrificial lamb worthy of all adoration. He's just as hopelessly corrupt and immoral as any Republican regardless of the letter of the laws he didn't break.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Dear Parise - there were so many factors that contributed to housing collapse alone that they nearly render the government's participation moot. You like so many toadies forget to mention large inflows of foreign funds during this time frame, the bursting of the United States housing bubble, the increase in loan incentives that encouraged borrowers (whom never should have bought in the first place) to believe they would be able to quickly refinance at more favorable terms later on, automated underwriting practices which didn't adequately analyze the ability of borrowers to repay, the inability of buyers to make their mortgage payments (due primarily to adjustable-rate mortgages resetting, borrowers overextending to mortgages more than 4x their annual income, the jobs market, predatory lending, and speculation), overbuilding during the boom period, risky mortgage products, self-regulating by banks, high personal and corporate debt levels (Americans were saving less than ever before in hour history during this time period and household debt skyrocketed), financial products that distributed and perhaps concealed the risk of mortgage default, bad monetary and housing policies, international trade imbalances, and inadequate government regulation. Facts are lenders made loans that they knew borrowers could not afford. Never mind Wall Street's involvement on the financial side.

This.

 

[Priceless]

Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Wow. Do you actually believe this drivel?

Take a few moments and try and be honest about this whole incident. With the exception of the initial tweets/photos, everything about it has been politically motivated. The conservative who leaked them was trying to score political gotcha points on a despised liberal. All of Weiner's denials, delays and disinformation were intended to save his political arse. The Repubs were keeping this in the forefront to deflect from their lack of economic plans and attempting to win back the public support they've lost with their Medicare debacle. The Dems are trying to regain the upper hand they've recently gained by pointing out that even though they're not doing anything, they're not the Repubs who are trying to "kill Medicare." If the congressman had been a major committee chair, potentially replaced by a Repub shifting the balance, a major party player, or even not the........wait for it........major league wiener that he is, we'd have heard all about how it was a personal matter between him and his family and a rebuke would have been the most we'd have seen. One needs only to look at the treatment of WJC or Barney Frank for evidence of this (and the hypocrisy you seem unwilling to see). Wiener was no big deal and had more enemies than friends, as such, getting him out quickly allows the Dems to get back to the business of pointing fingers in order to get re-elected. Simple as that and the Repubs would do the same. No one involved in this on any side can make a claim that morals had anything whatsoever to do with this.

So, to say, as you seem to be attempting to do, that one party holds a higher moral ground in this affair requires you to be one of two things. You must either be blinded by partisan loyalty or you must be blatantly stupid. Based on my impressions of your past postings, I would assume that the former is the case. As such, you have my pity. Should my assumption be wrong and it is actually the latter, I have a business opportunity for you involving oceanfront property near Bob Gray's home.

Oh, so hypocrisy is OK as long as its politically expedient. Got it.

 

[Bakunin]

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I thought we had all conceded that pretty much everyone on Capital Hill is poitically motivated and moral only when it suits their aim. It just depends on who is claiming they are doing it for something other than politics that changes. I wonder if they draw lots to see whose turn it is.

What's funny (other than all the obvious jokes to be made about this situation such as "Weiner pulls out" etc) is that if he had simply owned up to it from the get-go, admitted his mistakes, and left it at that, he'd still be in Congress. Sexting bimbos isn't exactly a capital offense.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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What's funny (other than all the obvious jokes to be made about this situation such as "Weiner pulls out" etc) is that if he had simply owned up to it from the get-go, admitted his mistakes, and left it at that, he'd still be in Congress. Sexting bimbos isn't exactly a capital offense.

Vitter lied at first too. He's still in Congress.

 

[5mn_Major]

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But the circus around this eclipses all of the Republican scandals...even bypassing guys picking up dudes in airport bathrooms. In fact, we're still talking about it. Some on the right are trying to make up for lost time.

 

[Bakunin]

Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Vitter lied at first too. He's still in Congress.

Position matters.

If he was higher up the food chain, it's less likely they would have told him to leave.

As for the circus around this scandal, I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that we have photos and transcripts of what happened - not to mention the participants coming forward and giving interviews, comically similar to what happened with the whores/skanks in Tiger's life.

 

[geezer]

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But the circus around this eclipses all of the Republican scandals...even bypassing guys picking up dudes in airport bathrooms. In fact, we're still talking about it. Some on the right are trying to make up for lost time.

You have a terrible memory. When similarly deranged Republicans come out of the closet (like the guy who was so fond of spending his weekends in Minneapolis), it's invariably the lead on the nightly news and front page of the NYT for months. Thousands of vats of ink have always been wasted on these stories, simply because they sell. Who wants to read about casualties in Iraq when you could be reading Weiner or "wide stance" jokes?

 

[Bakunin]

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This isn't so much partisan as it is cultural. Our country is fairly repressed sexually and has a massive obsession with this type of scandal.

The Europeans would merely shrug at this sort of behavior, and they'd very likely be asking Weiner why he didn't consummate any of these "relationships". The press over there would probably be giving him **** for being all talk with the ladies.

 

[busterman62]

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Oh, so hypocrisy is OK as long as its politically expedient. Got it.

but thanks for correcting me on my assumption. Now, about that oceanfront property.

 

[Kepler]

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This isn't so much partisan as it is cultural. Our country is fairly repressed sexually and has a massive obsession with this type of scandal.

The Europeans would merely shrug at this sort of behavior, and they'd very likely be asking Weiner why he didn't consummate any of these "relationships". The press over there would probably be giving him **** for being all talk with the ladies.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Wow. Do you actually believe this drivel?

Take a few moments and try and be honest about this whole incident. With the exception of the initial tweets/photos, everything about it has been politically motivated. The conservative who leaked them was trying to score political gotcha points on a despised liberal. All of Weiner's denials, delays and disinformation were intended to save his political arse. The Repubs were keeping this in the forefront to deflect from their lack of economic plans and attempting to win back the public support they've lost with their Medicare debacle. The Dems are trying to regain the upper hand they've recently gained by pointing out that even though they're not doing anything, they're not the Repubs who are trying to "kill Medicare." If the congressman had been a major committee chair, potentially replaced by a Repub shifting the balance, a major party player, or even not the........wait for it........major league wiener that he is, we'd have heard all about how it was a personal matter between him and his family and a rebuke would have been the most we'd have seen. One needs only to look at the treatment of WJC or Barney Frank for evidence of this (and the hypocrisy you seem unwilling to see). Wiener was no big deal and had more enemies than friends, as such, getting him out quickly allows the Dems to get back to the business of pointing fingers in order to get re-elected. Simple as that and the Repubs would do the same. No one involved in this on any side can make a claim that morals had anything whatsoever to do with this.

So, to say, as you seem to be attempting to do, that one party holds a higher moral ground in this affair requires you to be one of two things. You must either be blinded by partisan loyalty or you must be blatantly stupid. Based on my impressions of your past postings, I would assume that the former is the case. As such, you have my pity. Should my assumption be wrong and it is actually the latter, I have a business opportunity for you involving oceanfront property near Bob Gray's home.

I'm blatantly stupid? I don't even know who you are and I don't think I've ever interacted with you. And all I've said is basically that folks should be thrown out for doing bad stuff, regardless of party affiliation.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'm blatantly stupid? I don't even know who you are and I don't think I've ever interacted with you. And all I've said is basically that folks should be thrown out for doing bad stuff, regardless of party affiliation.

Bob, he responded to Priceless, not you. Why are you taking exception?

 

[Priceless]

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I'm blatantly stupid?

Apparently.

Let's you and him fight.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Bob, he responded to Priceless, not you. Why are you taking exception?

He said if Priceless was actually blatantly stupid, he had oceanfront property available next to my house, which would seem to indicate that I live in the blatantly stupid neck of the woods from his perception. I really have no idea who this person is.


At least when you or Priceless call me stupid, we have history!

 

[XYZ]

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He said if Priceless was actually blatantly stupid, he had oceanfront property available next to my house, which would seem to indicate that I live in the blatantly stupid neck of the woods from his perception.

I think you were only referenced because you live in Arizona

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