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The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

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Priceless said:
This was reported last week, before the shooting:
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I think Boehner's politics are infantile, but I'm also pretty sure that he's a man with his own family who, upon reflection, realized what he said was stupid and irresponsible, and probably was ashamed of it. It's the kind of thing that gets said between colleagues in bull sessions in any business, all the time, but given the propensity for true believers out there to take their politics and turn it into overt stupidity, it's garbage to use that kind of rhetoric in public, and outside that instant I'm sure he realized it. I'll bet a little bit of digging could turn up a half dozen such comments from all over the map.

He should have apologized, but I think politicians are as horrified as everyone else when real violence happens.

It would be good if people took down things like cross-hairs and used a bit of judgment, of course -- restraint and professionalism are always better than hyperbole and crassness. But we should always be trying to do that, not just because a shooting embarrasses people after the fact. Essentially, it shouldn't take a tragedy to get people to respect each other.
 
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Looks like the Daily KOS ran a piece on the 6th where the writer said Giffords was dead to me,(apparently for not voting for Pelosi) the article has since been removed.
Google will get you a screen shot. Lets throw everything up and see what sticks
 
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In early June, Lynda Sorenson, 52, had gone back to community college in Tucson in hopes of getting back on the job market. One of her classes was a basic algebra class--and one of her classmates was Jared Loughner, now identified by authorities as the man who killed six people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) in a shooting rampage Saturday. Sorenson's emails to friends from last summer, provided to the Washington Post, reveal her growing alarm at Loughner's strange and disruptive behavior in class.


From June 1, the first day of class:
"One day down and nineteen to go. We do have one student in the class who was disruptive today, I'm not certain yet if he was on drugs (as one person surmised) or disturbed. He scares me a bit. The teacher tried to throw him out and he refused to go, so I talked to the teacher afterward. Hopefully he will be out of class very soon, and not come back with an automatic weapon."

From June 10:
"As for me, Thursday means the end to week two of algebra class. It seems to be going by quickly, but then I do have three weeks to go so we'll see how I feel by then. Class isn't dull as we have a seriously disturbed student in the class, and they are trying to figure out how to get rid of him before he does something bad, but on the other hand, until he does something bad, you can't do anything about him. Needless to say, I sit by
the door."

From June 14:
"We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird. I sit by the door with my purse handy. If you see it on the news one night, know that I got out fast..."
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It's looking like he put a lot more thinking into this than I gave him credit...

The suspect in the weekend massacre in Arizona scrawled "my assassination" and "I planned ahead" on an envelope found in his home, according to court documents released Sunday.

The details were part of a criminal complaint filed against 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, the Tucson man charged in Saturday's bloodbath at a supermarket where U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was hosting an open house for constituents. Investigators found a letter from the congresswoman in a safe at the house where Loughner lived with his parents, thanking him for attending a similar 2007 event, a federal agent's affidavit states.

"Also recovered in the safe was an envelope with handwriting on the envelope stating 'I planned ahead,' and 'my assassination' and the name 'Giffords,' along with what appears to be Loughner's signature," the affidavit states.
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It looks like more than a chance meeting; he had planned this. :(
 
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It looks like more than a chance meeting; he had planned this. :(
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Even if he did we'll never know why. Even if he tells us the 22 year old kid is a complete whack job so that's all that really matters at this point.
 
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Ms. Giffords, an Arizona Democrat, remained in critical condition on Sunday but has been able to respond to simple commands, and her doctors described themselves as “cautiously optimistic.”

At a news conference at University Medical Center, the congresswoman’s doctors said that she was the only one of the victims of Saturday’s shooting to remain in critical care at the hospital. They said that she was lucky to be alive but would not speculate about the degree of her recovery, which they said could take months or longer.

“Overall this is about as good as it’s going to get,” said Dr. Peter Rhee, the chief of trauma surgery at University Medical Center, where Ms. Giffords was brought by helicopter from the shooting scene outside a supermarket north of Tucson. “When you get shot in the head and a bullet goes through your brain, the chances of you living are very small and the chances of you waking up and actually following commands is even much smaller than that.”

Dr. G. Michael Lemole Jr., the chief of neurosurgery, who operated on Ms. Giffords, said that the bullet had traveled through the entire left side of her brain “from back to front” but said that it had not crossed from one side of the brain to the other, nor did it pass through some critical areas that would further diminish her chances of recovery.

The doctors said Ms. Giffords, 40, was in a medically induced coma but that they had awoken her several times to check her responsiveness. While the doctors described themselves as extremely pleased with the progress of her treatment, they cautioned that it was too soon to make any predictions. “This is very early in our course,” Dr. Rhee said. “We don’t know what’s going to happen, what her deficits will be in the future or anything like that.”

The doctors said that brain swelling and other complications still posed large risks in the days ahead.
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Oh that's cute, a Representative on Fox News just said he thinks congress is better than the common folk. Seriously.

Clyburn.
 
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Priceless said:
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Hate to tell you lady but bullets won't work. The government has you outmanned and outgunned. If we were colonies now the citizenry wouldn't have a chance against the crown.
 
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I hear that when she mates, she bites the head off the male.
 
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Oh that's cute, a Representative on Fox News just said he thinks congress is better than the common folk. Seriously.

Clyburn.
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“We’re living in a time that all of us should begin to take stock of how our words affect people, especially those who aren’t very stable,” Clyburn said on Fox News Sunday.

Clyburn, a South Carolina Democrat who is third-ranking member of the House minority party, called on other lawmakers to also speak out. If they don’t, he said, the vitriol will keep getting worse.

In Tucson on Saturday, a gunman began shooting outside a grocery store where Giffords was holding a drop-in with constituents. A 9-year-old girl was among the people killed.

Clyburn late Saturday released a statement in which he said, “This act of violence weighs heavily on my heart and my mind as information continues to unfold about this mindless attack. Whether through words or weapons, violence has no place in our democracy and all of us have a responsibility to foster a climate in which we can exchange ideas and views passionately but peacefully.”
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Yeah, except you didn't quote his entire interview.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Yeah, except you didn't quote his entire interview.
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I quoted what was available. If you want to link more, feel free. No one is stopping you.

Edit: Also, you may have noticed I don't usually quote the entire story. I encourage people to read links. In that particular case, I didn't post a link. My bad, but there isn't much more to the story.
 
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A senior Republican senator, speaking anonymously in order to freely discuss the tragedy, told POLITICO that the Giffords shooting should be taken as a “cautionary tale” by Republicans.

“There is a need for some reflection here - what is too far now?” said the senator. “What was too far when Oklahoma City happened is accepted now. There’s been a desensitizing. These town halls and cable TV and talk radio, everybody’s trying to outdo each other.”
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Priceless said:
At least you're honest! ;)

OTOH, I seem to have too much time on my hands these days.
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Yeah, that's all I try to be. Plus it's not worth arguing over because elected officials all probably tend to think they're better than the common folk. Paul Wellstone was the last politician who didn't fit that theory.
 
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