The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

[Bob Gray]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

No, you misunstood what I wrote. As usual. I understand what the debt is and I certainly understand most of the causes. What you fail to acknowledge is at least Social Security and Medicaid are funded. They are separate line items when we are taxed. The other crap isn't. It's the difference between understanding funded and unfunded. NCLB is unfunded. Special Education is unfunded. etc.

You never cease to amaze me with how partisan your lenses are.

EDIT: oh, and my New York reference wasn't 9/11 it was Wall Street.

When the government goes bankrupt, it's not just part of the government, but the whole government. No funding will be safe. I'll admit I don't know the nuances of Medicaid funding, but Social Security certainly isn't on solid footing, despite your claims, so I'd bet Medicaid even on its own isn't either. This is the federal government we're talking about, where having actual funds to pay for something is an afterthought at best. Maybe partially funded would be a more accurate description?

But, if you can document for me the Medicaid is soundly funded, I'll gladly look at your documentation and revise my comments accordingly.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

When the government goes bankrupt, it's not just part of the government, but the whole government. No funding will be safe. I'll admit I don't know the nuances of Medicaid funding, but Social Security certainly isn't on solid footing, despite your claims, so I'd bet Medicaid even on its own isn't either. This is the federal government we're talking about, where having actual funds to pay for something is an afterthought at best. Maybe partially funded would be a more accurate description?

But, if you can document for me the Medicaid is soundly funded, I'll gladly look at your documentation and revise my comments accordingly.

Blah blah blah blah.

Medicaid and Social Security have a funding source. That's the only question on the table. You have yet to cite the funding source for the two wars and/or the bailouts initiated by the previous administration.

As for meaningless campaign tripe: see Tea Party.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

Blah blah blah blah.

Medicaid and Social Security have a funding source. That's the only question on the table. You have yet to cite the funding source for the two wars and/or the bailouts initiated by the previous administration.

As for meaningless campaign tripe: see Tea Party.

Your table is very limited. I suggest you look around.

You equate having a funding source with being financially viable. That's very naive.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

Your table is very limited. I suggest you look around.

You equate having a funding source with being financially viable. That's very naive.

The term "wooooooooooooooooosh" comes to mind.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

The term "wooooooooooooooooosh" comes to mind.

That's all you've got? You make a bunch of claims that don't make sense, I refute them, and you go "whoosh"? That's hilarious. Not useful discussion, but hilarious.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

That's all you've got? You make a bunch of claims that don't make sense, I refute them, and you go "whoosh"? That's hilarious. Not useful discussion, but hilarious.

You can't read.

Funded - Social Security, Medicare.
Unfunded - Iraq and Afghan wars. They were even kept off the books by Bush.

What doesn't make sense about that?

You can fix the funding for Medicare and Social Security by adjusting for life expectancy, means testing, etc. You can't fix the funding for the Wars, NCLB, or Special Education cause there was none in the first place and you can't pass any new taxes through Congress thanks to the zealots. Isn't what the Tea Party's screaming about really honest accounting?? Isn't that really what it's all about? Well, Social Security and Medicare have been honest about their accounting. The stuff they like to spend money on has NOT. That's been my point since we first started this and all you can do is blather on and on about the deficit, which frankly has been done since Reagan was in office and hasn't advanced the debate a single inch in 20+ years.

You're the one not making any sense. You sound a lot like Michelle Bachmann who has yet to solve a single problem since she took office the first time.

 

[Tundra]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

What on earth does being pro-life have to do with spending money on womens and childrens' health? Huh?

In the end, Medicaid is part of the bloated, unfunded federal spending that goes on, but that applies across most of the rest of the budget to. I don't know, are you saying that pro-lifers are fiscal conservatives or something. Again

Because Medicaid for adults (women) deals mostly with pregnancy, it only covers limited abortions if at all(rape, incest etc). So there is a disconnect when you rile against medicaid and yet promote more pregnancy to term (pro-life).

I've no problem agreeing with you (pro-life) on moral grounds, but there is just too much disconnect with reality.

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/planningandpreparing/medicaid.html

Medicaid to help pregnant women receive adequate prenatal and postpartum care. Medicaid also offers health insurance to seniors, children and people with disabilities.

All States are required to include certain individuals or groups of people in their Medicaid plan. The state eligibility groups are:

* Categorically needy
* Medically needy
* Special groups

In the "categorically needy" group, this will cover pregnant women whose income level is at or below 133% of the Federal Poverty level.

In the "medically needy" group, this will cover pregnant woman who make too much money to qualify in the �categorically needy� group

Pregnant women are covered for all care related to the pregnancy, delivery and any complications that may occur during pregnancy and up to 60 days postpartum.

Additionally, pregnant women also may qualify for care that was received for their pregnancy before they applied and received Medicaid. Some states call this �Presumptive Eligibility� and it was put in place so that all women would start necessary prenatal care as early in pregnancy as possible. Talk with your local office to find out if you qualify for presumptive eligibility.

Pregnant women are usually given priority in determining Medicaid eligibility. Most offices try to qualify a pregnant woman within about 2-4 weeks. If you need medical treatment before then, talk with your local office about a temporary card.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

You can't read.

Funded - Social Security, Medicare.
Unfunded - Iraq and Afghan wars. They were even kept off the books by Bush.

What doesn't make sense about that?

You can fix the funding for Medicare and Social Security by adjusting for life expectancy, means testing, etc. You can't fix the funding for the Wars, NCLB, or Special Education cause there was none in the first place and you can't pass any new taxes through Congress thanks to the zealots. Isn't what the Tea Party's screaming about really honest accounting?? Isn't that really what it's all about? Well, Social Security and Medicare have been honest about their accounting. The stuff they like to spend money on has NOT. That's been my point since we first started this and all you can do is blather on and on about the deficit, which frankly has been done since Reagan was in office and hasn't advanced the debate a single inch in 20+ years.

You're the one not making any sense. You sound a lot like Michelle Bachmann who has yet to solve a single problem since she took office the first time.

You can fix any of them if there's willpower. But, there's no will power to fix things, whether Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, defense spending, or whatever. Your overly simplistic analysis that this has funding, that doesn't is totally unrealistic.

 

[Bakunin]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

Everybody's middle class by definition because everyone has the same amount of money. The prisons are empty..because as you said previously, the reason people are in prison is because they don't have money

Not what I said.

...hence the reason for your suggested solution.

Not the reason.

that was greatly improved over your morally bankrupt and economically disastrous solution (that of wiping out the country's labor pool).

The labor pool would not be wiped out. We have an awesome labor pool coming from Mexico and other countries that we don't even have to pay minimum wage!

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

The reason people are in prisons isn't because they don't have money. It's because they're dumb*sses.

 

[Bakunin]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

The reason people are in prisons isn't because they don't have money. It's because they're dumb*sses.

Yeah, something tells me not all prisoners are in there for burglary or robbery.

 

[Handyman]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

So...uhhh...anyone get caught soliciting chicks on Craigslist today? Honor and Integrity...thy name is Republicans!

http://gawker.com/#!5755071/married-gop-congressman-sent-sexy-pictures-to-craigslist-babe

On a different topic I cannot wait until Michelle Bachman gets nominated for higher office and we can read the likes of Bob gray and Minnfann in here telling us how she isn't batchit crazy.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

On a different topic I cannot wait until Michelle Bachman gets nominated for higher office and we can read the likes of Bob gray and Minnfann in here telling us how she isn't batchit crazy.

I think she's got a good chance to at least drive all the moderates out before Iowa is done.

 

[Handyman]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

Yeah but the cons love her...she is the talk of CPAC right now. She knows all the talking points, and doesn't need to write them on her hand like a certain other dingbat Con they tried to prop up because she has a uterus...plus she will appease the Tea Party who if they have any integrity will be flaming the GOP to high heaven come the next election. (Boehner alone should make them want to riot since he is everything they hate supposedly)

I think Bachman will get serious talk for VP, and I will laugh my way to the polls that day. It will be so cute when certain people on this board (the ones who supported Dubya tooth and nail but then as soon as Obama won somehow none of these people voted for Dubya and amazingly never approved of him despite all evidence to the contrary) feel the need to talk her up, defend her idiocy and talk about how everyone is attacking her and she is exactly what this country needs.

 

[walrus]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

Now I want her to win something just so I can see your head explode

 

[Bakunin]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

Now I want her to win something just so I can see your head explode

Ya know, most of us are happy with seeing good performances out of our sports teams, having a job, and getting laid every now and then.

Handy OTOH apparently needs to see bat**** wenches get close to the presidency while 40% of the country climaxes multiple times during their speeches.

I guess he's just higher maintenance than the rest of us.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

Ya know, most of us are happy with seeing good performances out of our sports teams, having a job, and getting laid every now and then.

Handy OTOH apparently needs to see bat**** wenches get close to the presidency while 40% of the country climaxes multiple times during their speeches.

I guess he's just higher maintenance than the rest of us.

Given the currrent state of the sports teams around here Bachmann has better odds.

 

[amherstblackbear]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

So one bit of news that came from CPAC is that Olympia Snowe is going to get a Tea Party primary challenge?

too funny. If I didn't know better, I would wonder whether the Republican party is underwriting it.

I know, I know . . . it's not the general election. And the tea party took the governorship (sort of). But that wasn't against Snowe. She's not going to lose to that guy. I bet she'll be more than happy to be criticized by some fringe loon for the next year. And when the general election rolls around, and the Democrat tries to point out that Snowe really isn't liberal . . . that will just seal the deal for her.

If you play those election market games, Snowe is a major "buy" today.

 

[walrus]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

So one bit of news that came from CPAC is that Olympia Snowe is going to get a Tea Party primary challenge?

too funny. If I didn't know better, I would wonder whether the Republican party is underwriting it.

I know, I know . . . it's not the general election. And the tea party took the governorship (sort of). But that wasn't against Snowe. She's not going to lose to that guy. I bet she'll be more than happy to be criticized by some fringe loon for the next year. And when the general election rolls around, and the Democrat tries to point out that Snowe really isn't liberal . . . that will just seal the deal for her.

If you play those election market games, Snowe is a major "buy" today.

I laughed when I saw the guy but she needs to go, he ain't going to be the one though.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

So one bit of news that came from CPAC is that Olympia Snowe is going to get a Tea Party primary challenge?

too funny. If I didn't know better, I would wonder whether the Republican party is underwriting it.

I know, I know . . . it's not the general election. And the tea party took the governorship (sort of). But that wasn't against Snowe. She's not going to lose to that guy. I bet she'll be more than happy to be criticized by some fringe loon for the next year. And when the general election rolls around, and the Democrat tries to point out that Snowe really isn't liberal . . . that will just seal the deal for her.

If you play those election market games, Snowe is a major "buy" today.

She was a major buy yesterday too, and a month ago, and before that...

It's not like she needs a Tea Party challenge to make her appear viable.