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Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

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Old Pio said:
It IS what you said! You said blame the law, blame the politicians, blame Bush. Since these Nazis weren't mentioned, one assumes you didn't blame them. You're just wong here. And anyone who watches the video of those a*sholes hasseling the lady will agree. If you're so hot to trot to argue the "larger issues" involved, fine. But don't give these pr*cks the benefit of the doubt, they don't deserve it. And the rubes at Abu Ghraib WERE responsible for their actions. "All I did was drop the Zyclon b through the hole in the roof, it's not like I did anything wrong."

So the only basis for disagreeing with you is deliberate misrepresentation of your post? Not too arrogant.
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Jesus, you ride that trike so much you must have great legs. :rolleyes:

By all means, blame the people carrying out the job -- like I said, if it makes you feel better, they're surely responsible in their way, but the policy -- the fact that this is being done -- is not their fault. If you want anything changed as opposed to just posing for your close-up ("Cletus should stop hassling woman with babies!" -- wow, that's a bold stance), start by telling your neighbors that if they don't suck it up and start acting deserving of a free country, they won't have one. Tell your politicians at the ballot box that they can't just prance around shouting "9/11!" and get your vote.

And BTW don't hide behind your "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII will always love yooooooooooooooou" for Dubya; this is an equal blame situation. Even though the iron boot usually fits the right foot better than the left, both sides have been in charge of DHS and so this idiocy is bipartisan.
 
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Kepler said:
By all means, blame the people carrying out the job -- like I said, if it makes you feel better, they're surely responsible in their way, but the policy -- the fact that this is being done -- is not their fault.
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With all respect, that's not at all what's in the story I linked. The TSA employees in question were not following policies passed down to them. In fact they were ignoring policies put in place to safeguard the individual rights of passengers while using loopholes in policy (granting them the right to demand an arrest, for example) to abuse their position and the woman who was caught red-handed with baby food.
The official policy doesn't allow this sort of abuse.
 
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Kepler said:
Jesus, you ride that trike so much you must have great legs. :rolleyes:

By all means, blame the people carrying out the job -- like I said, if it makes you feel better, they're surely responsible in their way, but the policy -- the fact that this is being done -- is not their fault. If you want anything changed as opposed to just posing for your close-up ("Cletus should stop hassling woman with babies!" -- wow, that's a bold stance), start by telling your neighbors that if they don't suck it up and start acting deserving of a free country, they won't have one. Tell your politicians at the ballot box that they can't just prance around shouting "9/11!" and get your vote.

And BTW don't hide behind your "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII will always love yooooooooooooooou" for Dubya; this is an equal blame situation. Even though the iron boot usually fits the right foot better than the left, both sides have been in charge of DHS and so this idiocy is bipartisan.
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When is General Wenck going to attack?
 
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geezer said:
With all respect, that's not at all what's in the story I linked. The TSA employees in question were not following policies passed down to them. In fact they were ignoring policies put in place to safeguard the individual rights of passengers while using loopholes in policy (granting them the right to demand an arrest, for example) to abuse their position and the woman who was caught red-handed with baby food.
The official policy doesn't allow this sort of abuse.
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So fire those employees that don't follow SOP
 
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walrus said:
So fire those employees that don't follow SOP
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Well, I think there was some threat of legal action that might end up benefitting/enriching the victim. But when I saw the vids, I was strongly tempted to beat some heads in were I in the vicinity of the Southwest. Firing is too good for these types of people.
Like Socialism or multi-tiered rules regarding contact to the head in sporting events, the security policies sound all rosy and wonderful until actual people are put in charge of implementing them. Then they immediately hit the low road of personal vendettas.
 
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geezer said:
Well, I think there was some threat of legal action that might end up benefitting/enriching the victim. But when I saw the vids, I was strongly tempted to beat some heads in were I in the vicinity of the Southwest. Firing is too good for these types of people.
Like Socialism or multi-tiered rules regarding contact to the head in sporting events, the security policies sound all rosy and wonderful until actual people are put in charge of implementing them. Then they immediately hit the low road of personal vendettas.
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Can you sue the feds? That fat cow, tapping her foot at the impurtenance of a passenger disrupting the feng shwa of her workplace, is the poster child for cheesy, under achieving government drones. Complete with threats of extra-legal "consequences" for not clicking your heels quite quickly enough to please her. I know I'll be sleeping better tonight knowing she's on guard.
 
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The TSA was 100% wrong in this situation. There is no excuse for making her late, not following procedures, etc.

However, the woman's insistence that the milk not be x-rayed is based on an irrational fear. She took the trouble to look up and print out the TSA rule; it seems like she could have also bothered to look up the fact that x-raying does not affect milk. The milk probably received far more radiation during the flight than it would have during the screening.
 
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LynahFan said:
The TSA was 100% wrong in this situation. There is no excuse for making her late, not following procedures, etc.

However, the woman's insistence that the milk not be x-rayed is based on an irrational fear. She took the trouble to look up and print out the TSA rule; it seems like she could have also bothered to look up the fact that x-raying does not affect milk. The milk probably received far more radiation during the flight than it would have during the screening.
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So what?
 
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Old Pio said:
So what?
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So she was being an idiot, and could have easily avoided this confrontation.

I know you'll somehow take that to mean that I think the TSA is an heroic organization that does no wrong, in spite of the fact that I spelled it out in black and white that they botched this situation completely. Strange as it may seem to a black-and-white thinker like you, sometimes situations are black-and-black.

On her part, it was a "failure to yield right-of-way" situation. She had the right to ask the milk to be treated differently, so the TSA should have followed those procedures. However, if she had taken one simple, harmless step, she would have been home on time feeding her poor, starving baby. She was more interested in being right than in getting on that plane. I think that puts her "concern" for her child's nutrition into a little perspective.
 
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LynahFan said:
So she was being an idiot, and could have easily avoided this confrontation.

I know you'll somehow take that to mean that I think the TSA is an heroic organization that does no wrong, in spite of the fact that I spelled it out in black and white that they botched this situation completely. Strange as it may seem to a black-and-white thinker like you, sometimes situations are black-and-black.

On her part, it was a "failure to yield right-of-way" situation. She had the right to ask the milk to be treated differently, so the TSA should have followed those procedures. However, if she had taken one simple, harmless step, she would have been home on time feeding her poor, starving baby. She was more interested in being right than in getting on that plane. I think that puts her "concern" for her child's nutrition into a little perspective.
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In a moment you will hear a large whooshing sound......:p
 
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LynahFan said:
So she was being an idiot, and could have easily avoided this confrontation.

I know you'll somehow take that to mean that I think the TSA is an heroic organization that does no wrong, in spite of the fact that I spelled it out in black and white that they botched this situation completely. Strange as it may seem to a black-and-white thinker like you, sometimes situations are black-and-black.

On her part, it was a "failure to yield right-of-way" situation. She had the right to ask the milk to be treated differently, so the TSA should have followed those procedures. However, if she had taken one simple, harmless step, she would have been home on time feeding her poor, starving baby. She was more interested in being right than in getting on that plane. I think that puts her "concern" for her child's nutrition into a little perspective.
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Apart from demonstrating that you have a firm grasp of the obvious, again I ask, so what? She may have even been looking for a dustup with the TSA. So what? Which is it? Either TSA is "100 percent wrong," quoting the master of nuance, or they're not. You evidently want to have it both ways. And if she's wrong about the potential health risks of x-raying breast milk then perhaps the TSA shouldn't have rules in place allowing the liquid to be treated differently, should they? It is the TSA that has all the power here, "stand here in this glass cell," "we're calling the cops," "our rules don't actually mean what they say, they mean what WE say," "and we're going to punish you for standing up to us." It's not illegal (yet) to have a negative opinion of TSA and their security theatre. So if you're going to apportion blame here, blame TSA.

I'm at a loss to understand what your point is here. She was held against her will, threatened, and treated like a criminal, without an atom of probable cause. And quoting the appropriate regs to the thugs who infest TSA just made them angrier with her. Don't you get that this was retaliation? Or don't you care? Your argument seems to be that all she had to do was genuflect before the mighty TSA and all would have been well. That's probably true. But I'm guessing she and I don't share your apparant desire to keep Barney Fife and Co. happy. This is another example of arrogant bullying by people who are supposed to be keeping us safe, and notwithstanding your assertion about them being "100 percent wrong," you've argued just the opposite. It was HER fault, she stood up to them, what does she expect?
 
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It must be nice to live in a world where just because one party is 100% wrong then the other party is 100% right by default. It's unpossible that both parties could be 100% wrong, or that she may even be 1% wrong (because 100+1 /= 100) She is 100% right because she has to be if the TSA is 100% wrong.

I wish I could live in Black-and-White world...there's so much gray in the real world.
 
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geezer said:
With all respect, that's not at all what's in the story I linked. The TSA employees in question were not following policies passed down to them. In fact they were ignoring policies put in place to safeguard the individual rights of passengers while using loopholes in policy (granting them the right to demand an arrest, for example) to abuse their position and the woman who was caught red-handed with baby food.
The official policy doesn't allow this sort of abuse.
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Well... well...

OK, I have no comeback for that. If that's the case, I'm for putting them into whatever the TSA's incident system is, and it's more akin to a beat cop hassling somebody they don't think "looks right," even though they have no probable cause. I am wrong; you guys are right.
 
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Kepler said:
Well... well...

OK, I have no comeback for that. If that's the case, I'm for putting them into whatever the TSA's incident system is, and it's more akin to a beat cop hassling somebody they don't think "looks right," even though they have no probable cause. I am wrong; you guys are right.
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And this incident in no way serves as an endorsement of a "security" system whose fundamental premise is crazy--that everyone represents the same threat. And that goes for the politicians who inflicted it on us and continue to support a badly flawed policy in the name of not offending anyone, especially terrorists. Besides: "Who does that bi*ch think she is? We'll fix her" is probably not the approved attitude for these low brow guardians of our safety. ;)
 
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I had to stand in front of some kid (which is a nice term for this "agent") while I look around wondering why they're holding me in place... dummy is trying to hold a long conversation on BS with somebody... a minute later they let me through. Nothing wrong... dummy just wanted to carry out a stupid conversation with the girl he was chatting up... it also seems it takes a little while for their machine to do the analysis or something equally dumb. Bonus was that I had a nice little TSA slip stating that my bag got the ol' random inspection. So very pointless.
 
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