Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

[XYZ]

Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

Private airlines still fly in the "public" airways, which rely on government airports, air traffic controllers, navigational aids, etc. The government still has an interest in who is flying on private airplanes, the same as it has an interest in who is driving privately owned cars on public roads. Roadblocks aren't just for government-employed drivers.

So as far as "government interest" is concerned, couldn't it theoretically have an interest in everything? If so, is that the best way to justify any course of action? The government also might have an interest in torturing people. Wait, it did. And people threw a fit.

My problem is with the people who have an issue with one thing and not with the other. You can't have it both ways. You can't whine about torture and warrantless wiretaps...which were apparently executed for our own good, and then support certain other things. Nor can you pound your chest about the necessity of torture and wiretaps and then have some issue with your sack getting jiggled a bit by the TSA.

In principle it's all the same, which is the only thing that needs to be admitted. From there everything is fine. Once you start trying to drop a line in the middle somewhere things get dicey as that line will invariably move per one's preconceived biases and political motives.

Yes the world is a giant mass of gray, butas it pertains to this nation it's an all or none thing. I will never argue with the fact that following the rules might not lead to the best outcome, but as soon as I start bending them to achieve a "greater good" because I've come up with a way to justify such...we've lost the right to bury ourselves. And that...is a problem.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Unless of course you want to specifically state there's a difference between, say, a private airline and the government doing such things? That would at least somewhat remedy your typical gross inconsistency.

Of course there's a difference between private airlines doing such things and the govt. There's also a big difference between wiretapping someone without consent on their privately owned communication devices or private property...vs. investigating somone who makes a voluntary purchase of travel services where otherwise that person could immediately put hundreds of lives at risk. How are these not 'grossly inconsistent' situations?

No, its not an 'all or none thing'. Its quite justified to have very high levels of security for voluntary air travel yet not allow for invasion of people's privacy on a day to day basis...and we pretty much do already.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Of course there's a difference between private airlines doing such things and the govt. There's also a big difference between wiretapping someone without consent on their privately owned communication devices or private property...vs. investigating somone who makes a voluntary purchase of travel services where otherwise that person could immediately put hundreds of lives at risk. How are these not 'grossly inconsistent' situations?

No, its not an 'all or none thing'. Its quite justified to have very high levels of security for voluntary air travel yet not allow for invasion of people's privacy on a day to day basis...and we pretty much do already.

Using the telephone is voluntary. You have e-mail, snail mail, or you can walk down the street and talk to them in person. Regarding the rest of your post:

 

[5mn_Major]

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Regarding the rest of your post:

I said what I believe...high airport security and otherwise no interference in peoples daily lives. You obviously disagree.

Do you want no airport security and no daily govt. wiretapping? Or solid airport security with wiretapping people's homes?

What do you want?

 

[Priceless]

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Just so we get this straight.

When there is a Democratic president, freedom-loving Americans resist the evil government lackeys.
When there is a GOP president anyone who dares question the flawless federal government is an America-hating terrorist.

It occurs to me that if these measures had been introduced five years ago (or 25 years ago) some of the very people calling for the "resistance" would be fully supportive of the TSA, and speak disdainfully (to be polite) of anyone who objected to the rules.
Not that there is any hypocrisy or anything.

 

[WeWantMore]

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I said what I believe...high airport security and otherwise no interference in peoples daily lives. You obviously disagree.

Do you want no airport security and no daily govt. wiretapping? Or solid airport security with wiretapping people's homes?

What do you want?

Right, but that pretends that patting down nuns and grannies is "solid airport security".

 

[walrus]

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Just so we get this straight.

When there is a Democratic president, freedom-loving Americans resist the evil government lackeys.
When there is a GOP president anyone who dares question the flawless federal government is an America-hating terrorist.

It occurs to me that if these measures had been introduced five years ago (or 25 years ago) some of the very people calling for the "resistance" would be fully supportive of the TSA, and speak disdainfully (to be polite) of anyone who objected to the rules.
Not that there is any hypocrisy or anything.

Use the tinfoil on the turkey not on your head

 

[Old Pio]

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Just so we get this straight.

When there is a Democratic president, freedom-loving Americans resist the evil government lackeys.
When there is a GOP president anyone who dares question the flawless federal government is an America-hating terrorist.

It occurs to me that if these measures had been introduced five years ago (or 25 years ago) some of the very people calling for the "resistance" would be fully supportive of the TSA, and speak disdainfully (to be polite) of anyone who objected to the rules.
Not that there is any hypocrisy or anything.

About as much hypocrisy as supinely accepting federal jewel fondling in the name of "security" because Senorita Incompetance says "the system is working." And she was inflicted on the rest of us by "the one." Your leftwing prejudices are evidently all consuming, giving you delusions that you know what other people think, even before they think it.

 

[NMU8405]

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senorita incompetance says "north korea is our ally." and she was inflicted on the rest of us by "the maverick."

fyp

 

[Priceless]

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Use the tinfoil on the turkey not on your head

Actually we used a brown paper bag in the wood cook oven, and it was GOOD. We'll be eating turkey leftovers for a week.

About as much hypocrisy as supinely accepting federal jewel fondling in the name of "security" because Senorita Incompetance says "the system is working." And she was inflicted on the rest of us by "the one."

But you would gladly accept the federal jewel-fondling if it was still a GOP president; and if someone had started this thread you would have accused them of being traitorous, America-hating socialists who sides with the terrorists.

 

[Old Pio]

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Actually we used a brown paper bag in the wood cook oven, and it was GOOD. We'll be eating turkey leftovers for a week.



But you would gladly accept the federal jewel-fondling if it was still a GOP president; and if someone had started this thread you would have accused them of being traitorous, America-hating socialists who sides with the terrorists.

Buy a turban and take that act on the road, jerkwad. Read up on the "one ahead" method. It is you who have politicized this thread, not me.

 

[Old Pio]

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fyp

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Evidently that treatment for PDS isn't working as the doctors hoped. All of us in the 57 states hope you get well soon.

When is General Wenck going to start his advance?

 

[Priceless]

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Buy a turban and take that act on the road, jerkwad. Read up on the "one ahead" method. It is you who have politicized this thread, not me.

There were no politics in this thread until I came along.

Calling people names really adds credence to your argument.

 

[Priceless]

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A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Evidently that treatment for PDS isn't working as the doctors hoped. And all of us in the 57 states hope you get well soon.

When is General Wenck going to start his advance?

Good thing you edited that, because I was wondering when Bush became a maverick.

Who is obsessed with Bush again?

Edit: Crap, you edited it AGAIN.

 

[Old Pio]

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There were no politics in this thread until I came along.

Calling people names really adds credence to your argument.

Smug, ignorant and smarta*s doesn't exactly elevate the discussion either. Check back, I hadn't mentioned the president even once. And there's no basis whatsoever for your predictions about what my opinion "would" be. Please don't try to pass off prejudice as "thought."

 

[Old Pio]

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Good thing you edited that, because I was wondering when Bush became a maverick.

Who is obsessed with Bush again?

Edit: Crap, you edited it AGAIN.

Yeah, this issue is about ME, not protecting the flying public from m****m terrorists. Everyone on the middle school debate team is so proud of you.

We were having a pretty intelligent discussion here. Why ruin it with cracks about Palin, who has zero to do with this subject?Why ruin it with cracks about me (other than demonstrating your well known jerkiness). Why not contribute to the discussion rather than detract from it?

 

[NMU8405]

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Yeah, this issue is about ME, not protecting the flying public from m****m terrorists. Everyone on the middle school debate team is so proud of you.

We were having a pretty intelligent discussion here. Why ruin it with cracks about Palin, who has zero to do with this subject?Why ruin it with cracks about me (other than demonstrating your well known jerkiness). Why not contribute to the discussion rather than detract from it?

My two cents: If you dont like it, drive.

I dont care if you are a 90 year old woman, a nun, or whatever walk of life you are. If you want to fly on the plane, you are going to be screened. That doesnt mean patted down, screened. Most airports do not have the imagine scanners, so if you set off the metal detector, or the machine that is screening your luggage, you are subject to a pat-down. Nothing new wtih that policy. The system is prone for an attack. The explosive materials that people are using now are not detectable by metal detector, only by image scan and a pat down.

So what if a US airliner was brought down by a material that could have been caught by a simple pat down? Would you cry foul that TSA and the Obama Admin. wasnt doing enough?

 

[Patman]

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My two cents: If you dont like it, drive.

I dont care if you are a 90 year old woman, a nun, or whatever walk of life you are. If you want to play on the plane, you are going to be screened. That doesnt mean patted down, screened. Most airports do not have the imagine scanners, so if you set off the metal detector, or the machine that is screening your luggage, you are subject to a pat-down. Nothing new wtih that policy. The system is prone for an attack. The explosive materials that people are using now are not detectable by metal detector, only by image scan and a pat down.

So what if a US airliner was brought down by a material that could have been caught by a simple pat down? Would you cry foul that TSA and the Obama Admin. wasnt doing enough?

look, there's no problem with a non-invasive search... the problem with these pseudo-xrays is that the lunkheads at the TSA viewing these in a semi-public basis are going to have cases where they are placing photos on the internet and other ugly things. We've also seen with the "pat downs" that its causing other problems on top of this. Its a poor idea and poor execution made up by a bunch of bureaucrats who can be trapped within their own logic.

Nobody isn't saying that there shouldn't be checks... the comments and objections are due to the invasiveness.

 

[Old Pio]

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My two cents: If you dont like it, drive.

I dont care if you are a 90 year old woman, a nun, or whatever walk of life you are. If you want to fly on the plane, you are going to be screened. That doesnt mean patted down, screened. Most airports do not have the imagine scanners, so if you set off the metal detector, or the machine that is screening your luggage, you are subject to a pat-down. Nothing new wtih that policy. The system is prone for an attack. The explosive materials that people are using now are not detectable by metal detector, only by image scan and a pat down.

So what if a US airliner was brought down by a material that could have been caught by a simple pat down? Would you cry foul that TSA and the Obama Admin. wasnt doing enough?

You guys should be able to make your arguments without referencing what you "think" my attitude would be. You have no earthly idea what my attitude would be. Besides, this issue is a tad more important than what one poster on USCHO.com does or does not think.

I haven't even hinted at eliminating security, and if you're honest you'll concede the point. I have suggested, repeatedly, that assuming grannie presents as much of a threat as a dude from Pakistan with an Osama tattoo on his butt, is foolish, unrealistic and an invitation for more attempts. And that we conttinue to focus on the LAST attack rather than the NEXT attack. If this strikes you as a blue print for success, fine. It doesn't me.

Using your logic here, we should fondle everyone. Because the new scanners can't penetrate skin and thus can't pick up explosives in body cavities, does that mean you're okay with making travelers drop their pants and spread 'em? I have asked before and gotten no answer to the question: "Is their anything TSA might propose that crosses the line? Or are we all required to submit, like sheep, to their dictates?"

TSA is now talking about employing scanners on other forms of transportation. Again, your logic would dictate if you don't like it, don't fly, don't take Amtrak, don't take the bus. Just don't. And what's to keep them from randomly stopping drivers to put them through a search? After all, car bombs have been used with lethal effectiveness on many occasions. And you're presumably fine with it. I'm not. This evident willingness to just submit to any indignity imposed by a bunch of bureaucrats, unaccountable in any meaningful sense to the public, makes me uncomfortable. Because this stuff always gets worse, never better.

 

[Priceless]

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Yeah, this issue is about ME, not protecting the flying public from m****m terrorists. Everyone on the middle school debate team is so proud of you.

We were having a pretty intelligent discussion here. Why ruin it with cracks about Palin, who has zero to do with this subject?Why ruin it with cracks about me (other than demonstrating your well known jerkiness). Why not contribute to the discussion rather than detract from it?

I didn't mention Palin (or Bush, or McCain). I have been reading this thread, so don't **** on my head and tell me it's raining. This has been a political thread from the start. The fact that you don't like my opinions and enjoy calling me names doesn't change that. I haven't made any "cracks" about you (or Palin). Those are observations. If the search feature on here worked and I wanted to spend my Thanksgiving on you, I could look up the times you and friends of your political persuasion have, shall we say questioned the loyalty, of liberals who objected to - for example - a person being arrested and jailed for "threatening" to wear a T-shirt. And now you're complaining about the TSA conducting searches. I wonder, if there is a successful terrorist attack carried out on a plane, would people of your political persuasion complain that the Obama Administration didn't do enough to keep us safe? There is nothing he can do that is the right policy...no matter what he does you are going to complain.

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Have a nice holiday.