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Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

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Chickens@NU said:
You are completely f*d up man. When the next plane blows up because of a terrorist threat, it's people like you who will be first in line saying we need tougher security measures. What the H-E-double bendy straws is the problem of going through a scanner so you don't get the pat down? What's the big f*n deal? if you don't like the normal measures, deal with the consequences and shut the f up!
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 
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Accusing Old Pio of being soft on terrorism and being responsible if some nutbar takes down a plane someday is complete and utter hogwash.

This entire sorry episode will be remembered as a time when half the US threw away all our liberties and acted like scared infants wanting their mommies. And the maddening, depressing, agonizing irony is, the police state and all its amoral b.s. has only made things worse.

 
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Chickens@NU said:
You are completely f*d up man. When the next plane blows up because of a terrorist threat, it's people like you who will be first in line saying we need tougher security measures. What the H-E-double bendy straws is the problem of going through a scanner so you don't get the pat down? What's the big f*n deal? if you don't like the normal measures, deal with the consequences and shut the f up!
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Way to ask the man to bend you over to protect you from the big bad boogeyman.

Screw the Israelis, the Northern Irish must sit in their bars laughing at us.
 
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bronconick said:
Al Qaeda must sit in their caves laughing at us.
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FYP

Our crazies have done more harm to us than their crazies ever could have, and that was The Plan from the beginning -- let the madmen in the west overreact, bankrupting their treasuries and assuring generations of fertile recruitment for the fundies in their real battle against secular governments in the Middle East. We were always just a sideshow for AQ, and our policies over the last 10 years have done nothing but appear to prove them right to their populations against US-leaning governments who tried to argue the US wasn't evil incarnate. Well, if you murder my parents, you are evil incarnate.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, before the Pennsylvania Assembly on February 17, 1775, during far more perilous times than these.
 
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Old Pio said:
That would be the choice I would make, since I'm confident a nude photo of me wouldn't be stroke material for the defectives who infest TSA. But that's not really the issue. Chosing a bad procedure over a worse procedure is a Hobsons choice. And the larger issue, which you all have ignored is: how effective is the TSA? No terrorists captured. No plots uncovered. But lots of contraband Jack Danials confiscated.
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I don't think they broadcast it when and if they do foil some plot or uncover someone with a weapon. So your conclusion is based on a false premise. the real answer is that we don't know, and being upset about something which you have no proof of seems not to make a lot of sense.
second, the scanners do put out quite a bit of radiation, however for the average person who flies once every three months this is no big deal, even if they choose to be scanned. It could however be a much bigger deal if one were to be scanned say three times per week.
 
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Chickens@NU said:
You are completely f*d up man. When the next plane blows up because of a terrorist threat, it's people like you who will be first in line saying we need tougher security measures. What the H-E-double bendy straws is the problem of going through a scanner so you don't get the pat down? What's the big f*n deal? if you don't like the normal measures, deal with the consequences and shut the f up!
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Am I, man? I started this thread and have posted dozens of times that my preference is for security that actually looks for terrorists. Taking nude photos of children and feeling up nuns doesn't fit that description, IMO. Let me ask you: where is the line for you? Or is there a line? Is there anything our ham handed public "servants" could dream up in the name of "security" that you would resist? Anything? As to your exercise in prescience, I would still be advocating security measures that work, man.
 
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Old Pio said:
As you your exercise in prescience, what I would be advocating would be security measures that work.
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Duh. Well, I would advocate for a balanced federal budget with low taxes, adequate safety nets, and free ponies for all.

No, I can't quote specifics, either.
 
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manurespreader said:
I don't think they broadcast it when and if they do foil some plot or uncover someone with a weapon. So your conclusion is based on a false premise. the real answer is that we don't know, and being upset about something which you have no proof of seems not to make a lot of sense.
second, the scanners do put out quite a bit of radiation, however for the average person who flies once every three months this is no big deal, even if they choose to be scanned. It could however be a much bigger deal if one were to be scanned say three times per week.
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Let me deal with the second one first: since the primary griping about alleged over exposure to radiation has come from ALPA, I'm not the slightest bit concerned about their concerns. Evidently it doesn't strike you as moronic to "scan" pilots for bombs, since a pilot determined to bring down his plane can do that without a weapon--and one already has. 'Course he was a Muslim, so we can't take THAT into consideration.

As to your first point, we already announce every terrorist plot uncovered, so why would one uncovered in an aiport be any different? We can't keep many of the most classified activities of our government secret (see Wikileaks) but a couple of Barney Fife's find a bomb in an American Tourister two suiter and they just chalk it up to another day at the office and say nothing? You have an impressively naive view of how the world actually works. These two hypothetical dudes would hire an agent, appear on Oprah and "write" a book.
 
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LynahFan said:
Duh. Well, I would advocate for a balanced federal budget with low taxes, adequate safety nets, and free ponies for all.

No, I can't quote specifics, either.
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You want verbatim future quotes in resonse to a hypothetical? You remind me of the moron hitting his head against the wall. Somebody asks him why he does it. He responds: "Because it feels so good when I stop." Since I've explained, repeatedly, what I'm talking about as regards security, I can only conclude you have a significant mental deficit or you're a putz. My money is on the latter.
 
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Kepler said:
FYP

Our crazies have done more harm to us than their crazies ever could have, and that was The Plan from the beginning -- let the madmen in the west overreact, bankrupting their treasuries and assuring generations of fertile recruitment for the fundies in their real battle against secular governments in the Middle East. We were always just a sideshow for AQ, and our policies over the last 10 years have done nothing but appear to prove them right to their populations against US-leaning governments who tried to argue the US wasn't evil incarnate. Well, if you murder my parents, you are evil incarnate.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin, before the Pennsylvania Assembly on February 17, 1775, during far more perilous times than these.
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Anybody remember the video where OBL, despite having problems keeping the fan belt wrapped around his head, expresses great delight that the Trade Center actually collapsed? To him, it was a pleasant surprise. As long as we continue to insist, as I've mentioned frequently, that the risk of terrorism is spread evenly through our population. And that any effort to actually find terrorists automatically involves "racial profiling" that must be rejected, no matter how many people die. AND focus on their last method of attack, we're just begging for them to blow up an airplane.

LOL, I've thought about throwing in the Franklin quote, you beat me to it.
 
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pardonme said:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Commie! :D
 
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pardonme said:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Isn't there consent once you hand your ID to TSA? I still say profiling is where we need to be but the ACLU would be all over that
 
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walrus said:
Couldn't you guys always go around?
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no. We just cut in line. We are subject to the same *t the rest of you are. Basically, the TSA views us pilots, who are essentially the "last line of defense" in the battle of terrorism as lowly as any scumbag passenger. It's embarrassing. We should breeze through security.
 
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Sloe Gin said:
no. We just cut in line. We are subject to the same *t the rest of you are. Basically, the TSA views us pilots, who are essentially the "last line of defense" in the battle of terrorism as lowly as any scumbag passenger. It's embarrassing. We should breeze through security.
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So you can't do your walk around and then come up the outside stairs on the jet bridge?
 
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walrus said:
So you can't do your walk around and then come up the outside stairs on the jet bridge?
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no, that gets you a massive fine and possible jail time. There's certain airports where they let pilots bypass security, but they are rare.
 
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