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Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
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OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
Your post does not pass the smell test on many levels.....
You are complaining about losing a scholarship and then go on to say:
"It was a complete waste of time and a hell of a lot of money for 1 year"...
Then you say:
"none of the credits were transferable from a private institution"
I find that hard to believe, unless you take things like "creative sowing" or other "filler" courses.
My response to your post is...Did you or your D do your homework before committing?.
You are right on when you say "Live and Learn". That is the best advice in this case. "Live, Learn, Move on and don't make the same mistake again".
Your post does not pass the smell test on many levels.....
You are complaining about losing a scholarship and then go on to say:
"It was a complete waste of time and a hell of a lot of money for 1 year"...
Then you say:
"none of the credits were transferable from a private institution"
I find that hard to believe, unless you take things like "creative sowing" or other "filler" courses.
My response to your post is...Did you or your D do your homework before committing?.
You are right on when you say "Live and Learn". That is the best advice in this case. "Live, Learn, Move on and don't make the same mistake again".
granddaddyscout
Registered User
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
Obviously, not enough homework...and it is hard to believe, but do YOUR homework...Credits from private institutions are very often NON-TRANSFERABLE...including classes in writing, math, and other subjects other than "creative sewing" and other "filler" courses. If they were transferable, my D wouldn't be re-taking these courses in our state-run college.
Obviously, not enough homework...and it is hard to believe, but do YOUR homework...Credits from private institutions are very often NON-TRANSFERABLE...including classes in writing, math, and other subjects other than "creative sewing" and other "filler" courses. If they were transferable, my D wouldn't be re-taking these courses in our state-run college.
CARDS_rule_the_Burgh
Nate LePage, Siena '13
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
I call shenanigans on this. Current college student, have taken courses at a number of institutions, and have found no difficulty in transferring the credit as long as I had a C in the course, whether the school in question was public or private, US or otherwise, etc. So, my question here is not whether you and your D did your homework before committing (I'll leave that to the other posters...), but rather: did your D do her homework while at the school? Because Syracuse credits not transferring seems to me like she got a lot of Ds. Now, I'm not saying it's impossible that the new school would refuse legitimate non-filler courses with good grades... but, speaking from experience, I find it highly unlikely.
I call shenanigans on this. Current college student, have taken courses at a number of institutions, and have found no difficulty in transferring the credit as long as I had a C in the course, whether the school in question was public or private, US or otherwise, etc. So, my question here is not whether you and your D did your homework before committing (I'll leave that to the other posters...), but rather: did your D do her homework while at the school? Because Syracuse credits not transferring seems to me like she got a lot of Ds. Now, I'm not saying it's impossible that the new school would refuse legitimate non-filler courses with good grades... but, speaking from experience, I find it highly unlikely.
Captain Obvious
...the Man, the Myth, the Legend...
UCONN FAN
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Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
It's not bull****...believe what you like. The classes she took that satisfied SU's English requirement and also her math class she took did not transfer, and she left SU with a 3.2 gpa...no D's. Don't know what else to say other than to suggest that transferring is not always as simple as it seems. And, quite frankly, NO....we didn't do our homework before committing. We had 10 days from the time db Flannagan made us an offer and the first day of school, so we packed up her **** and took a chance at what seemed like the opportunity of a lifetime, not realizing our decision was based on less-than-truthful information.
It's not bull****...believe what you like. The classes she took that satisfied SU's English requirement and also her math class she took did not transfer, and she left SU with a 3.2 gpa...no D's. Don't know what else to say other than to suggest that transferring is not always as simple as it seems. And, quite frankly, NO....we didn't do our homework before committing. We had 10 days from the time db Flannagan made us an offer and the first day of school, so we packed up her **** and took a chance at what seemed like the opportunity of a lifetime, not realizing our decision was based on less-than-truthful information.
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
Well I am sorry you had that experience .I think most people are like you, not knowledgable about the whole experience and that`s what is great when people post these things. Others can refute but then ultimately parents can have more questions to ask and hopefully make a good choice.
Well I am sorry you had that experience .I think most people are like you, not knowledgable about the whole experience and that`s what is great when people post these things. Others can refute but then ultimately parents can have more questions to ask and hopefully make a good choice.
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
It sounds like the classes were either remedial or so esoteric in nature that there's nothing comparable at the transferring school. Otherwise your beef would be with the new school. Unfortunate, but those are the breaks. 2 courses to make up with 3 years to go shouldn't be a big deal for a 3.2 student.
It sounds like the classes were either remedial or so esoteric in nature that there's nothing comparable at the transferring school. Otherwise your beef would be with the new school. Unfortunate, but those are the breaks. 2 courses to make up with 3 years to go shouldn't be a big deal for a 3.2 student.
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scrambledlegs
Registered User
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
In my experience, the coaches seem to recruit to replace their rising senior class vs the one that is leaving. That way they have more time to recover in case something happens over the summer (such as clearinghouse troubles, etc.)
Since SU has five rising seniors and a 2-3 known transfers, this number seems to be about right.
In my experience, the coaches seem to recruit to replace their rising senior class vs the one that is leaving. That way they have more time to recover in case something happens over the summer (such as clearinghouse troubles, etc.)
Since SU has five rising seniors and a 2-3 known transfers, this number seems to be about right.
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Thunderbird77
Registered User
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
Syracuse has just finished their THIRD season since being in existence. Many of the previous posts seem to forget that. Agree that MAO's daughter's experience does not appear to have been a positive one. MAO suggests that the issue is that Syracuse is somehow lacking (credits don't transfer) or that the coaches somehow do not treat players fairly.
Here are the actual statistics regarding players for SU's first two seasons:
2008-09: 8 players with D1 experience transferred into the school
9 freshmen joined the club. Only one did not return in 2009/2010
2 players joined the team as upper classmen (one Jr, one Sr)
2 players in total did not return in 2009/2010 (One F, One So)
2009-10: 7 players did not return - Only one was new to SU hockey, do not know their
class, but only played in 5 games
3 of the players that did not return played regularly (2 Soph in 2nd yr,
1 Jr in 2nd yr)
4 players that did not return played in the following # games: 3, 5, 5, 8
From the above, it would seem that the coaches gave everyone playing time and a chance. It also seems that anyone starting up a new program would be faced with making the most with the players they have.
Syracuse has just finished their THIRD season since being in existence. Many of the previous posts seem to forget that. Agree that MAO's daughter's experience does not appear to have been a positive one. MAO suggests that the issue is that Syracuse is somehow lacking (credits don't transfer) or that the coaches somehow do not treat players fairly.
Here are the actual statistics regarding players for SU's first two seasons:
2008-09: 8 players with D1 experience transferred into the school
9 freshmen joined the club. Only one did not return in 2009/2010
2 players joined the team as upper classmen (one Jr, one Sr)
2 players in total did not return in 2009/2010 (One F, One So)
2009-10: 7 players did not return - Only one was new to SU hockey, do not know their
class, but only played in 5 games
3 of the players that did not return played regularly (2 Soph in 2nd yr,
1 Jr in 2nd yr)
4 players that did not return played in the following # games: 3, 5, 5, 8
From the above, it would seem that the coaches gave everyone playing time and a chance. It also seems that anyone starting up a new program would be faced with making the most with the players they have.
CanHockGuy
New member
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
There was a lot of movement before this past season was there not? Just asking....
There was a lot of movement before this past season was there not? Just asking....
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
Frankly, I don't find it hard to believe at all that credits may not be easily transferable from one institution to another. There seems to be a great deal of arrogance out there in the university ivory towers that their own school is infinitely better than the rest of the competition.
I read an article not too long ago relating to Ontario universities (all public under the same jurisdiction!) that concerned this very real issue, and the need for much greater cooperation between schools to allow for credit transfers. Apparently, students currently wishing to transfer between schools in Ontario do usually find this to be a major problem. I know of a couple of students personally who have had their requests denied, even for very mainstream courses like English, Math, Psychology, etc.
Furthermore, we have personally run into such problems with our own kids, who wanted to take summer courses at top universities here at home and have transfer credit recognized by their private schools in the States. Huge red tape bureaucracy, still no luck...definitely no from one, waffling from another.
Seems irrational maybe, but true nevertheless.
Personally, I've become jaded enough to suspect it's because the goal of the education system has evolved to the point that it isn't so much about promoting student learning anymore and providing a public service to society, it's rather just run as a business and profit centre. A university will make more money if they can find excuses for students to have to spend more money--including by taking/retaking more courses at their institution and angling to pocket added living expenses to boot.
Profit motive reigns supreme.
Frankly, I don't find it hard to believe at all that credits may not be easily transferable from one institution to another. There seems to be a great deal of arrogance out there in the university ivory towers that their own school is infinitely better than the rest of the competition.
I read an article not too long ago relating to Ontario universities (all public under the same jurisdiction!) that concerned this very real issue, and the need for much greater cooperation between schools to allow for credit transfers. Apparently, students currently wishing to transfer between schools in Ontario do usually find this to be a major problem. I know of a couple of students personally who have had their requests denied, even for very mainstream courses like English, Math, Psychology, etc.
Furthermore, we have personally run into such problems with our own kids, who wanted to take summer courses at top universities here at home and have transfer credit recognized by their private schools in the States. Huge red tape bureaucracy, still no luck...definitely no from one, waffling from another.
Seems irrational maybe, but true nevertheless.
Personally, I've become jaded enough to suspect it's because the goal of the education system has evolved to the point that it isn't so much about promoting student learning anymore and providing a public service to society, it's rather just run as a business and profit centre. A university will make more money if they can find excuses for students to have to spend more money--including by taking/retaking more courses at their institution and angling to pocket added living expenses to boot.
Profit motive reigns supreme.
gotice
"I'm alive. Bring it"
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
I can see credits not transferring…our son was a first semester Junior when he transferred and lost almost a whole years worth of credits, even though many of those classes were A's and B's, including College english and advance foreign language. He had to petition to CLEP out of repeating freshman english at his new university. He petitioned to have many of his credits reinstated without any luck. So it does happen and we got to be on the hook for another year of college because of it
I can see credits not transferring…our son was a first semester Junior when he transferred and lost almost a whole years worth of credits, even though many of those classes were A's and B's, including College english and advance foreign language. He had to petition to CLEP out of repeating freshman english at his new university. He petitioned to have many of his credits reinstated without any luck. So it does happen and we got to be on the hook for another year of college because of it
CanHockGuy
New member
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
What about students who attend graduate school back in Canada after they get their BA in the States? Have you heard of many students having problems with credit this way?
What about students who attend graduate school back in Canada after they get their BA in the States? Have you heard of many students having problems with credit this way?
Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
Typically one cannot transfer more than 2-years worth of credits (ie, half the credits required for a degree regardless of length of time) to the school from which one intends to graduate, for obvious reasons -- not sure if that applied in your son's case or not. That's potentially a different issue from courses, typically introductory/survey in nature, taken during one's first year being transferrable or not.
Not saying it's impossible; maybe it's an issue between US schools and Canadian ones. If it's two US schools it seems a bit dubious on the surface. Obviously, there's more to the story than I know (and should know).
Typically one cannot transfer more than 2-years worth of credits (ie, half the credits required for a degree regardless of length of time) to the school from which one intends to graduate, for obvious reasons -- not sure if that applied in your son's case or not. That's potentially a different issue from courses, typically introductory/survey in nature, taken during one's first year being transferrable or not.
Not saying it's impossible; maybe it's an issue between US schools and Canadian ones. If it's two US schools it seems a bit dubious on the surface. Obviously, there's more to the story than I know (and should know).