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Syracuse Women Ice Hockey
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Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
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This is where good academics can be a big help. If you have good academics, schools can find funding for their students via that route.
This is where good academics can be a big help. If you have good academics, schools can find funding for their students via that route.
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And conversely, if you go to an Ivy League school, your coach has no discretion over the continuation of your (needs based) scholarship.
And conversely, if you go to an Ivy League school, your coach has no discretion over the continuation of your (needs based) scholarship.
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My daughter wishes......She'd still be at SU if that coach wasn't such a dirtbag!!!!
My daughter wishes......She'd still be at SU if that coach wasn't such a dirtbag!!!!
ncaascoutwom
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Now I understand why 5 players are transferring out ....
Now I understand why 5 players are transferring out ....
CanHockGuy
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Most coaches in the league are the same. Tear them down to build them up. Girls especially, hate this. Can't say I blame them. Old school?
Most coaches in the league are the same. Tear them down to build them up. Girls especially, hate this. Can't say I blame them. Old school?
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Disagree....a couple of coaches were complete honest about my daughter and what her position on the team would be. Only db Flannagan lied...
Most coaches in the league are the same. Tear them down to build them up. Girls especially, hate this. Can't say I blame them. Old school?
Disagree....a couple of coaches were complete honest about my daughter and what her position on the team would be. Only db Flannagan lied...
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Lied, or did Junior not pan out as hoped/expected? Funny how parents rarely can see their kid's flaws.
Lied, or did Junior not pan out as hoped/expected? Funny how parents rarely can see their kid's flaws.
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Well, actually, better than expected. She finished in the top 10 in points, top 10 in goals, was on AD honor roll both semesters. We all have our flaws, but at the time it seemed as though she was on track to return the following year.
Well, actually, better than expected. She finished in the top 10 in points, top 10 in goals, was on AD honor roll both semesters. We all have our flaws, but at the time it seemed as though she was on track to return the following year.
CanHockGuy
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Maybe the coach wanted top ten in the league. Now that you are leaving, what did he lie about? Expose the cad.
Maybe the coach wanted top ten in the league. Now that you are leaving, what did he lie about? Expose the cad.
UCONN FAN
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Not true at all. A player can not be released or her scholarship revoked due to performance. As long as the player remains academically eligible and doesn't violate school or teams rules she can keep her scholarship. (see the movie "One on one" with Robby Bensen)
Not true at all. A player can not be released or her scholarship revoked due to performance. As long as the player remains academically eligible and doesn't violate school or teams rules she can keep her scholarship. (see the movie "One on one" with Robby Bensen)
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2010-05-06-notes-scholarships-hayward_N.htm
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/nli/NLI/About+the+NLI/
Scholarships are only good for 1 year but they can be renewed.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2010-05-06-notes-scholarships-hayward_N.htm
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/nli/NLI/About+the+NLI/
Scholarships are only good for 1 year but they can be renewed.
granddaddyscout
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I think it depends on the school and the conference. I know Big Ten schools have a policy that they can only non-renew for academic or moral turpitude type issue. Many others don't have those standards and it is not unusual for a new coach to not renew scholarships for athletes they want to chase away. Not really fair and a good question for parents to ask during the recruiting process.
I think it depends on the school and the conference. I know Big Ten schools have a policy that they can only non-renew for academic or moral turpitude type issue. Many others don't have those standards and it is not unusual for a new coach to not renew scholarships for athletes they want to chase away. Not really fair and a good question for parents to ask during the recruiting process.
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You are probably right about the policy but I would think it would have to be an unwritten policy since I believe a written policy would be in violation of the NCAA rules against scholarships that exceed one year. I would think that especially if a coach leaves, the new coach would be within his or her rights to not renew so he or she could pursue his or her own idea of players that fit his or her system.
As far as the comments of not losing your scholarship for lack of performance I think that is correct during the one-year period but would not apply to renewals.
You are probably right about the policy but I would think it would have to be an unwritten policy since I believe a written policy would be in violation of the NCAA rules against scholarships that exceed one year. I would think that especially if a coach leaves, the new coach would be within his or her rights to not renew so he or she could pursue his or her own idea of players that fit his or her system.
As far as the comments of not losing your scholarship for lack of performance I think that is correct during the one-year period but would not apply to renewals.
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I think most schools and coaches themselves (if you ask them), have an unofficial rule to renew them. It doesn't look good for a school or coach if they "chase a kid away, " just becuaes they haev better players now. This isn't the NHL. And, while I have no personal knowledge of the SU situation, I suspect this is why girls are leaving. And, if I was the parent on a recruit (thank God that's over), I would not want my kid going to a school if this was a possibility. I believe just about every recruit's parents read this board. And, if my kid had 3 choices and the coach had a reputation of doing that, it would play heavily into how I advised my daughter. Every coach knows legally they don't "have" to renew the scholarships but the good and honorable ones will tell you they "have" to do it for their credibility and the credibility of their program.
I think most schools and coaches themselves (if you ask them), have an unofficial rule to renew them. It doesn't look good for a school or coach if they "chase a kid away, " just becuaes they haev better players now. This isn't the NHL. And, while I have no personal knowledge of the SU situation, I suspect this is why girls are leaving. And, if I was the parent on a recruit (thank God that's over), I would not want my kid going to a school if this was a possibility. I believe just about every recruit's parents read this board. And, if my kid had 3 choices and the coach had a reputation of doing that, it would play heavily into how I advised my daughter. Every coach knows legally they don't "have" to renew the scholarships but the good and honorable ones will tell you they "have" to do it for their credibility and the credibility of their program.
granddaddyscout
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I am extremely confident the BT will not allow coaches to rescind an athlete's "grant in aid" or scholarship except for academic or conduct violations. This has been a debate topic in the football world because the SEC does it routinely and the BT doesn't allow it. The argument being that the SEC schools basically bring in players for a 1-2 year tryout and then kick them to the curb if they do turn out to be "players". I recall stories in other sports as well, in the girls hockey world Vermont canceled a number of scholarships when Bothwell took over in 2006.
I am extremely confident the BT will not allow coaches to rescind an athlete's "grant in aid" or scholarship except for academic or conduct violations. This has been a debate topic in the football world because the SEC does it routinely and the BT doesn't allow it. The argument being that the SEC schools basically bring in players for a 1-2 year tryout and then kick them to the curb if they do turn out to be "players". I recall stories in other sports as well, in the girls hockey world Vermont canceled a number of scholarships when Bothwell took over in 2006.
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Being confident is one thing but I'd really like to see something in writing from the NCAA or the Big Ten. I don't know of any written rule out there that states that a college scholarship is good for 4 years. In my opinion any such written policy would violate the NCAA rule that scholarships are to be only for one year but are renewable. I have read that the SEC schools (especially in football) frequently pull scholarships and that players at Big Ten schools typically have a much better chance of keeping their scholarship for the entire 4 years but I doubt that there is any Big Ten conference written guarantee. Right now there is considerable controversy regarding football factories that are signing more players to NLIs than scholarships available but I have not found anything that says the Big Ten or any other conference guarantees a scholarship of more than one year. Obviously if a coach gets a reputation for not renewing scholarships it hurts his or her image among recruits but that doesn't equate to an enforceable guarantee.
Here's a couple of stories that I found interesting but again there is no mention of a written policy and as a matter of fact it appears to say that the Big Ten can pull scholarships if they want too.
http://detnews.com/article/20110406...ives-some-schools-‘competitive-advantage’
http://www.mlive.com/sports/saginaw/index.ssf/2011/01/big_ten_bowl_woes_not_surprisi.html
Being confident is one thing but I'd really like to see something in writing from the NCAA or the Big Ten. I don't know of any written rule out there that states that a college scholarship is good for 4 years. In my opinion any such written policy would violate the NCAA rule that scholarships are to be only for one year but are renewable. I have read that the SEC schools (especially in football) frequently pull scholarships and that players at Big Ten schools typically have a much better chance of keeping their scholarship for the entire 4 years but I doubt that there is any Big Ten conference written guarantee. Right now there is considerable controversy regarding football factories that are signing more players to NLIs than scholarships available but I have not found anything that says the Big Ten or any other conference guarantees a scholarship of more than one year. Obviously if a coach gets a reputation for not renewing scholarships it hurts his or her image among recruits but that doesn't equate to an enforceable guarantee.
Here's a couple of stories that I found interesting but again there is no mention of a written policy and as a matter of fact it appears to say that the Big Ten can pull scholarships if they want too.
http://detnews.com/article/20110406...ives-some-schools-‘competitive-advantage’
http://www.mlive.com/sports/saginaw/index.ssf/2011/01/big_ten_bowl_woes_not_surprisi.html
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Wish we would have known the coach better before we signed on. SU's response to us was the coach can do what he wants. Regardless of your kids grades and performance, if the coach doesn't want your kid to play for him next year, there's the door. It was a complete waste of time and a hell of a lot of money for 1 year and none of the credits were transferable from a private institution. Live and learn....at least my daughter made some truly good friends at SU, outside of hockey, and goes back from time to time to visit...she loves NY.
Wish we would have known the coach better before we signed on. SU's response to us was the coach can do what he wants. Regardless of your kids grades and performance, if the coach doesn't want your kid to play for him next year, there's the door. It was a complete waste of time and a hell of a lot of money for 1 year and none of the credits were transferable from a private institution. Live and learn....at least my daughter made some truly good friends at SU, outside of hockey, and goes back from time to time to visit...she loves NY.