Syracuse Women Ice Hockey

[Trillium]

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What is this I don't think you know the father a great person and had a lot to offer to the team with all his knowledge but I guess they didn't take that opportunity too bad for them, the twins are good players on the ice and a great example off the ice , the program is loosing their best player and I say best franchise player I have seen her play and she is unbelievable to watch I can say she is the best skater in NCAA and in the top 5 best NCAA hockey player, no the program will not get stronger because there is a inside problem that needs to be solved ..

Lol, sounds to me like the delusional father must clearly be suffering from a severe case of multiple personality disorder (HockeyCanada/Gardner/ncaascoutwom)

Though not even from the same area of the province, not so flattering stories about this problem parent and his kids are unfortunately legendary in Ontario hockey circles....sadly actually one of a couple cases in the area of nightmare dads with twins who shifted teams annually and then dropped out of their university program when apparently the world failed to revolve around them. Really bad news for team chemistry.

Some people just don't want to get it. Paid coaches do not want or need help from parents. Whatever expertise these coaches may lack (though they are paid to have the expertise themselves), they can buy...and from other neutral hockey sources without personal agendas and conflicts of interest. Unfortunately, when coaches cater to such individuals over the years for the sake of a player, (or even worse, for 2 for 1 deals) they end up creating a monster which is increasingly impossible to feed over time, at a negative impact on the overall team. And future recruiting.

Most people would consider it akin to winning a lottery to have a full ride offered to a D3 calibre player, while having the opportunity to gain the profile associated with a Kaz nomination for another, help put an emerging program on the map, and have their daughters enrolled in the same quality school.....all while achieving a university education at no cost. For others sadly, nothing you do can ever be enough.

I feel sorry for people who chose to live their lives that way, and model that for their children. They will never be happy in life, which is in the end the most important thing we should wish for our kids.

 

[CanHockGuy]

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Lol, sounds to me like the delusional father must clearly be suffering from a severe case of multiple personality disorder (HockeyCanada/Gardner/ncaascoutwom)

Though not even from the same area of the province, not so flattering stories about this problem parent and his kids are unfortunately legendary in Ontario hockey circles....sadly actually one of a couple cases in the area of nightmare dads with twins who shifted teams annually and then dropped out of their university program when apparently the world failed to revolve around them. Really bad news for team chemistry.

Some people just don't want to get it. Paid coaches do not want or need help from parents. Whatever expertise these coaches may lack (though they are paid to have the expertise themselves), they can buy...and from other neutral hockey sources without personal agendas and conflicts of interest. Unfortunately, when coaches cater to such individuals over the years for the sake of a player, (or even worse, for 2 for 1 deals) they end up creating a monster which is increasingly impossible to feed over time, at a negative impact on the overall team. And future recruiting.

Most people would consider it akin to winning a lottery to have a full ride offered to a D3 calibre player, while having the opportunity to gain the profile associated with a Kaz nomination for another, help put an emerging program on the map, and have their daughters enrolled in the same quality school.....all while achieving a university education at no cost. For others sadly, nothing you do can ever be enough.

I feel sorry for people who chose to live their lives that way, and model that for their children. They will never be happy in life, which is in the end the most important thing we should wish for our kids.

Well done as usual Trillium. To make such a bold move, what must now be in the works? Team is the theme, but is school not the only real objective for women's hockey in general? The education, is really most important. Too bad, we'll see.

 

[born2sk8]

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Well said Trillium! That's great if ncaascoutwom thinks this guy is a "great person". His actions seem to differ with that statement. As for offering his knowledge...a coach is paid to coach the team, not receive advice or "knowledge" from crazy parents who think they know everything. If this is the case maybe the father should apply for a coaching position. Wish the girls the best in the future.

 

[Pike]

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Syracuse are losing a franchise player and another quality player who cares if someone thinks it's a delusional parent coaches should coach the players and win a championship.

A truly brilliant statement! Kind of along the lines of that equally brilliant statement by the captain of the Titanic, "Who cares about a stupid iceberg? I'm sailing this ship and I've got a schedule to keep."

 

[hayes]

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As an SU Athletic Alumni, I found some of these posts extremely disgraceful. I have special interest in SU news and after reading this fan forum, I felt compelled to post my comment.

I attended most SU Women's hockey games in Syracuse this year and kept in touch with the SU athletic site.
Isabel Menard is without a doubt an elite hockey player. I was fascinated with her skating, her moves, her passes and her picture goals.
Definitely a gifted player.
Talia Menard is also a good hockey player and a great skater.
I was told by numerous people that the twins were an asset to the team on and off the ice, as they are disciplined athletes.

I wish good luck to Isabel and Talia Menard.
They deserve the BEST!

P.S. It's pathetic how some people are negative and jealous. Shame on you!

 

[squirt]

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I am sure everyone wishes the girls the best--- it is not the girls that are the problem--the father needs to relax and let these kids live their own lives I have 2 daughters both wanted to play Div I and it would have been great to have a 2 for 1 deal but the reality is one is a Div I player and the other is a great Div III player and they both have found their way with support, encouragement and direction from mom & dad--- and we couldnt be happierer for both of them. And why, because one is not playing in the shadow of the other----these 2 girls have been playing for association after association one would have to asked WHAT OR WHO IS THE PROBLEM 2

 

[Trillium]

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As an SU Athletic Alumni, I found some of these posts extremely disgraceful. I have special interest in SU news and after reading this fan forum, I felt compelled to post my comment.

I attended most SU Women's hockey games in Syracuse this year and kept in touch with the SU athletic site.
Isabel Menard is without a doubt an elite hockey player. I was fascinated with her skating, her moves, her passes and her picture goals.
Definitely a gifted player.
Talia Menard is also a good hockey player and a great skater.
I was told by numerous people that the twins were an asset to the team on and off the ice, as they are disciplined athletes.

I wish good luck to Isabel and Talia Menard.
They deserve the BEST!

P.S. It's pathetic how some people are negative and jealous. Shame on you!

Really, gIve it a rest Dad. No one's dumb enough not to see through your constant identity changes. Just move on. We get your message loud and clear that you are disgruntled and feel your one daughter was hard done by. Maybe that's true, but it's ultimately not all that important.

Unfortunately life is not always fair and things often do not go the way we want or expect them to. Its an important life lesson for our children to learn that some things are just ultimately out of their control despite their best efforts. Yes, it sucks.

All you can do is do your best, and make the best of whatever situations and challenges you find yourself in...but certainly you gotta learn hopefully sooner rather than later that as an adult you can't rely on Dad or sis or anyone else to win your battles for you in life if you are to achieve the satisfaction, success and happiness you ultimately deserve. It is only through dealing with such challenges personally that we grow as individuals. Sometimes as parents it's tempting to want to protect our children from that hurt, but it is important for them to experience it, and we just have to be there for support.

It seems like Dad needs some serious life coaching to grow up himself. Too bad. Trying to use one sibling as a bargaining chip for another is incredibly damaging in so many ways to both in the long run. I hope the girls have alternative sources of guidance and wisdom they can rely on, and certainly wish them all the best.

 

[hockeynut83]

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You are embarrassing your daughters and hurting any chance of them getting invited to any National team camp.

"put your lips in park" as well as your fingers and let the girls have some fun!

It is the same on my forum a lot of nonsense. You have removed all doubt of the lack of class you have shown. Just a simply read of all your posts is enough. Attacking other players and acting like a jerk at your daughters games....starting chants asking for your daughter to be played....during games.

I say that the program just got stronger and sadly it is at the expense of your daughters as you simply caused a lot of negative issues with in the program.

Please for your daughters sake stay away from their games next year no matter where they play. Good luck to these young ladies.

 

[ncaascoutwom]

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You are embarrassing your daughters and hurting any chance of them getting invited to any National team camp.

"put your lips in park" as well as your fingers and let the girls have some fun!

It is the same on my forum a lot of nonsense. You have removed all doubt of the lack of class you have shown. Just a simply read of all your posts is enough. Attacking other players and acting like a jerk at your daughters games....starting chants asking for your daughter to be played....during games.

I say that the program just got stronger and sadly it is at the expense of your daughters as you simply caused a lot of negative issues with in the program.

Please for your daughters sake stay away from their games next year no matter where they play. Good luck to these young ladies.

You really have a lot of time on your hand diceman.......

 

[Trillium]

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You are embarrassing your daughters and hurting any chance of them getting invited to any National team camp."put your lips in park" as well as your fingers and let the girls have some fun!

It is the same on my forum a lot of nonsense. You have removed all doubt of the lack of class you have shown. Just a simply read of all your posts is enough. Attacking other players and acting like a jerk at your daughters games....starting chants asking for your daughter to be played....during games.

I say that the program just got stronger and sadly it is at the expense of your daughters as you simply caused a lot of negative issues with in the program.

Please for your daughters sake stay away from their games next year no matter where they play. Good luck to these young ladies.

No doubt the behavior carries National team implications, but I'm fairly certain HC were already well aware of these negatives.

More importantly, this thread provides a huge shout out to all the other universities out there to beware of all the unwanted baggage that seems to accompany this family.....regardless of ability, I suspect the level of interest in players who come with lots of conditions, appear to be predisposed to bolt when things don't go 100% their own way, and with a difficult and interfering parent, won't be quite as high as what Dad envisions.

Unwittingly, Dad's made sure of that. While he was throwing his grenades at the Syracuse program, he failed to realize he was actually throwing them into a strong headwind. Ooops.

 

[hayes]

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Sorry Buddy, I'm not Dad and I'm not Mom either, I don't even know these people, so get a life or get a job. Shame on you!!!!!!!!

 

[HockeyCanada]

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Hello wonderful hockey buffs,

Just returned from a beautiful week in Cuba for well deserved R&R.
Seems I have split personality??? !!!! I do not have dual/triple/quadruple faces.
Just off the plane, took cab home.

Please guys or gals...................I did not say anything I regret OR things that are not true. (kindly read my posts) If I offended anyone then that's really unfortunate.

Simply stating facts.

If you don't like my comments too bad !!!..........LOL

 

[HockeyCanada]

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Just off the press......another player leaving...making it 4. !!!!!??????

must be the Dad again !!!!???...........LOL

 

[hockeynut83]

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Just off the press......another player leaving...making it 4. !!!!!??????

must be the Dad again !!!!???...........LOL

Well you sure did not help with your poor behaviour during games starting chants etc.

Please.....are there players leaving....yes! One player is going to Study in her senior year in Europe.

A couple of Scholarship students were told that they would not be rostered next year but their scholarships would be honoured. They are likely to transfer. There are also a couple of Non Scholarship players who will not be roster again this coming year. Does this happen at other schools?.. you bet it does.

This is not including the two players that are being discussed in this thread.


Each year there are many players who are not happy with ice time etc and transfer out of schools to another school ...some go from D 1 to D3 to get more ice time.

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Hello wonderful hockey buffs,

Just returned from a beautiful week in Cuba for well deserved R&R.
Seems I have split personality??? !!!! I do not have dual/triple/quadruple faces.
Just off the plane, took cab home.

Please guys or gals...................I did not say anything I regret OR things that are not true. (kindly read my posts) If I offended anyone then that's really unfortunate.

Simply stating facts.

If you don't like my comments too bad !!!..........LOL


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Sorry Buddy, I'm not Dad and I'm not Mom either, I don't even know these people, so get a life or get a job. Shame on you!!!!!!!!


Quote Originally Posted by ncaascoutwom View Post
As a scout , I hope that this young lady and her parents are not reading these negative comments I don't think it is fair to them!!!

Seems like many people are afflicted with the !!!! in your posts ....but we understand that you are all not the same person!

You are digging a big hole here and you cannot seem to stop shoveling.

 

[Blackbeard]

Re: Syracuse Women Ice Hockey

Anyone know why Klassen transferred to Plattsburgh to play this past season?

 

[slewfoot14]

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SU as a whole has a proven track record of a comittment to a strong varsity program in general (witness Football and BasketBall). I'm sure Mr Flanagan is committed to SU, just like SU is committed to Mr Flanagan. As a casual Orange basketball fan, hope the program continues to grow and wish the players and the team for next year a lot of success. With Mercyhurst coming back to the pack, the fight for the CHA title should be more exciting next year.

I agree with onMAA statement, back to hockey. This past season(s) excelerated on ice education for the freshman + a good returning core + a excellent recruiting class for SU + mercyhursts' stagering graduation of talent = maybe a more leveled field. Remember this years CHA championship had a one goal differential.

SU will be tested early with a visit to Minnesota to open up the season against the U of M and SCSU at Ridder. The orange will roster up to 7 Minnesota girls of thier own. Sort of a homecoming for these girls and thier families. Sounds like tail gate time

 

[IceIsNice]

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A couple of Scholarship students were told that they would not be rostered next year but their scholarships would be honoured.

Very classy move. It is unfortunate particularly when a player is an upperclassman and their scholarship is not honoured. I understand that it's all part of the business of college hockey, but it's unfortunate just the same. Ergo, I repeat.... Very classy move.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Very classy move. It is unfortunate particularly when a player is an upperclassman and their scholarship is not honoured. I understand that it's all part of the business of college hockey, but it's unfortunate just the same. Ergo, I repeat.... Very classy move.

I thought it was standard practice to honor a scholarship when a player is released from the team.

Sean

 

[OnMAA]

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I thought it was standard practice to honor a scholarship when a player is released from the team.

Sean

You'd be naive to think that. Heard of examples where out clauses were used. Off course out clauses can work both ways.

Scholly distribution needs to be managed like the NHL CAP world. If a school ties up too many full four year rides into players that don't pan out, it tends to have a lingering affect on how to manage their talent pool long term.

 

[ARM]

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You'd be naive to think that. Heard of examples where out clauses were used.

The school really doesn't need an out clause, because my understanding is the offer is a year-to-year deal. For example, from the NCAA site's list of benefits of signing an NLI:

Student-athletes are assured of an athletics scholarship for one full academic year.

In practice, obviously, a program that makes a habit of backing away from its student athletes with eligibility remaining would take a hit regarding reputation in the recruit pool.