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Sweet Valentine! The saga of the 2012 Boston Red Sox

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Not a lot of interesting articles about the trade. I guess we all knew the score.

Did get a chuckle out of Paul Konerko's comment that Youk is still pretty young. He's 33. Of course, in Konerko-years . . .
 
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Carl Crawford is making a rehab start with the Sea Dogs tomorrow evening. Tickets have gone fast...Luckily I managed to snag 4 reserved seats behind the 3rd base dugout. It'll be my nephew's first game. He'll probably be more excited about the fireworks after the game than any of the players. :D
 
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Darnell MacDonald was just picked up by the Yankees.
 
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Yankees come to down for 4. Won't watch many. Nats are the team to watch right now.

Edit: I see Beckett and Kuroda are engaged in a good old fashioned Fenway Park pitching duel.
 
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Bobby V wants to make sure I'm not distracted from work by this afternoon's MLB Network broadcast, so he's decided to throw the first game of the double-header.

Nava, LF
Ciriaco, 2B
Ortiz, DH
Gonzalez, Ad, 1B
Gomez, M, 3B
Kalish, CF
Aviles, SS
Shoppach, C
Lillibridge, RF
 
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amherstblackbear said:
Bobby V wants to make sure I'm not distracted from work by this afternoon's MLB Network broadcast, so he's decided to throw the first game of the double-header.

Nava, LF
Ciriaco, 2B
Ortiz, DH
Gonzalez, Ad, 1B
Gomez, M, 3B
Kalish, CF
Aviles, SS
Shoppach, C
Lillibridge, RF
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And they're doing an excellent job of doing just that!
 
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Play the kids I say. Now Crawford's probably gone for the season and I'm sure Ellsbury will be right behind him. I'm not anti Ellsbury but he's got the same problem as Youkilis, he can't stay on field. Nice of Youk to want to play again now that he's in Chicago but much like Manny Ramirez' burst in LA this will fade and his old problems (breaking down constantly) will soon re-emerge.

All this high priced end of Epstein regime signings need to go. Crawford, Dice-K, Beckett, etc. The future of the team is Middlebrooks, Sweeney, Ross, Kalish, this kid who kicked butt as SS the other day, Lavarnway, etc. The team still has veteran leadership with Pedroia, Ortiz and Adrian Gonzales. Once Beckett is gone maybe Lester and Buchholz get it together. Bottom line is this team needs guys willing to play almost every day. Those players (really, Gonzales and that's about it since Ortiz is a DH) are few and very far between on this team.
 
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My only quibble is that the problem starts *cough* with the rotation.

This team has a bunch of "issues," just like every other team in the majors. But it has only one huge problem. The starting pitching is inexcusable. Solve that problem and the Red Sox are a wild card team, easily.
 
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amherstblackbear said:
My only quibble is that the problem starts *cough* with the rotation.

This team has a bunch of "issues," just like every other team in the majors. But it has only one huge problem. The starting pitching is inexcusable. Solve that problem and the Red Sox are a wild card team, easily.
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Do you think the problem is that John Farrell is not the pitching coach?
 
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Call me crazy but I think Valentine has done a good job. His lineup has to change daily because of a rash of injuries from wimpy ballplayers who take time off for hangnails and excessive ear wax. His starting pitching has been atrocious. Beckett ought to give back money to the team and Lester needs to get his head out of his @ ss and start pitching like an ace. Buchholz is another wimp. Get him some roids already to bulk up and maybe be able to hold up an entire season. IMHO nobody could win with this team be it LaRussa, Pinella, Joe McCarthy, Casey Stengel or any of the other greats.
 
Rover said:
Call me crazy but I think Valentine has done a good job. His lineup has to change daily because of a rash of injuries from wimpy ballplayers who take time off for hangnails and excessive ear wax. His starting pitching has been atrocious. Beckett ought to give back money to the team and Lester needs to get his head out of his @ ss and start pitching like an ace. Buchholz is another wimp. Get him some roids already to bulk up and maybe be able to hold up an entire season. IMHO nobody could win with this team be it LaRussa, Pinella, Joe McCarthy, Casey Stengel or any of the other greats.
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Not crazy. He's done better than chicken salad out of chicken ****. He's delivered a box of popeye's spicy chicken breast WITH biscuits!
 
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Rover said:
Call me crazy but I think Valentine has done a good job. His lineup has to change daily because of a rash of injuries from wimpy ballplayers who take time off for hangnails and excessive ear wax. His starting pitching has been atrocious. Beckett ought to give back money to the team and Lester needs to get his head out of his @ ss and start pitching like an ace. Buchholz is another wimp. Get him some roids already to bulk up and maybe be able to hold up an entire season. IMHO nobody could win with this team be it LaRussa, Pinella, Joe McCarthy, Casey Stengel or any of the other greats.
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Francona did in 2010. But then again he had JF as the pitching coach, and they still missed the playoffs.

If you are Cherrington and Lucchino, do you blow the team up, or muddle through and hope the walking wounded come back in decent enough shape to make a run?
 
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Francona did in 2010. But then again he had JF as the pitching coach, and they still missed the playoffs.

If you are Cherrington and Lucchino, do you blow the team up, or muddle through and hope the walking wounded come back in decent enough shape to make a run?
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They already in the middle of that... Half this team wasn't there in fort Myers
 
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joecct said:
Francona did in 2010. But then again he had JF as the pitching coach, and they still missed the playoffs.

If you are Cherrington and Lucchino, do you blow the team up, or muddle through and hope the walking wounded come back in decent enough shape to make a run?
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Blow up the team. I don't think they're going to get anything for a lot of these players but they're a cloud hanging over the team. Go with the younger players with a couple of exceptions. Gonzales, Pedroia, and Ortiz are your veteran presense. Other that that everybody's on the table. While he's not playing bad I'd deal Saltalamacchia because you can get something for him and you already have a catching tandem in Lavarnway-Stoppach. Buy out Lackey, say thanks for nothing to Dice-K, and trade Beckett.

New lineup going forward:

C: Lavarnway/Stoppach
1B: Gonzales
2B: Pedroia
SS: Aviles
3B: Middlebrooks
LF: Ross
CF: Ellsbury/Nava
RF: Sweeney
DH: Ortiz

With this lineup the only guy you're waiting on is Ellsbury. If he can't come back on a regular basis they need to find another quality CF as that position is too important to be filled off the bench.

Pitchers: Lester-Buchholz-Doubront-Cook-Padilla

Once he straightens himself out Bard can replace Padilla in the bullpen.

What these young players need is stability. Get a half season under their belts where they're playing one position, know their role, and don't have to look over their shoulder for some high priced veteran to maybe get off the DL.
 
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