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St. Cloud State University HUSKIES!!

The Boomer said:
Isn't this fun??? SCSU Women's Hockey getting some attention!

No, I don't think Jim Fetter automatically gets the job.

Not convinced that John Harrington is the best choice.

Think someone "new" to the coaching business with an absolute solid resume as a player, leader and a WINNER might be the answer. If I have a daughter good enough to be recruited to play D-I hockey and Ms. Potter wanted to visit, I would put on the coffee and make some rolls!! Jenny Potter just seems to be the kind of person that could put some life into the program.

Whoever is picked they will have their work cut out for them . . .
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You make a interesting point,A new coach to the scene might be what this team needs, guys like Harrington brings a lot of experience and "age" but can be attract the young talent, not sure. One thing is for sure, the sooner thy find the right candidate the better. SCWH has 2 recruits committed for next year, that's it, they need at least 3-4 more quality players, it's going to be a tough job getting those players at this point.
One thing is slowly emerging, Fetter does not have the "right charm" to recruit the top talent. Having coaching connections to Teams like u18 Canada help, only if the players like you,
If they don't, it has the exact opposite effect.
 
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The Boomer said:
Isn't this fun??? SCSU Women's Hockey getting some attention!

No, I don't think Jim Fetter automatically gets the job.

Not convinced that John Harrington is the best choice.

Think someone "new" to the coaching business with an absolute solid resume as a player, leader and a WINNER might be the answer. If I have a daughter good enough to be recruited to play D-I hockey and Ms. Potter wanted to visit, I would put on the coffee and make some rolls!! Jenny Potter just seems to be the kind of person that could put some life into the program.

Whoever is picked they will have their work cut out for them . . .
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Tend to agree with all The Boomer has to say here. ;)
 
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BigSandy said:
One thing is slowly emerging, Fetter does not have the "right charm" to recruit the top talent. Having coaching connections to Teams like u18 Canada help, only if the players like you, if they don't, it has the exact opposite effect.
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I'm not sure how it is slowly emerging that he can't recruit top talent? Fetter was the assistant coach for 2 years. An assitant coach scouts and gets talent to visit, but the Head Coach needs to close the deal. With that said, none of the other candidates have shown any ability to recruit top female talent because they have never done it (Potter's 1st real class will be coming this year).

One interesting wrinkle is Harrinton's connection with the Herb Brooks Foundation (i.e., huge source of money/fundraising to renovate rink).
 
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96IllinoisDad said:
I'm not sure how it is slowly emerging that he can't recruit top talent? Fetter was the assistant coach for 2 years. An assitant coach scouts and gets talent to visit, but the Head Coach needs to close the deal.
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I think you could "almost" say it's undeniable that the SCSU staff has not really set the world afire with recruitment sales for awhile now. Perhaps not a strong endorsement of anyone involved in the task at the time. Have to believe the assessment by BigSandy should be entertained as potentially valid.
 
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pucko said:
I'm not sure how qualified Potter is, but she does have MN connections to players. ... I would think if they want to compete, they'll need a coach who has proven success.
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I'm not so sure how valuable having MN connection is, After U of MN takes the pick of the litter, UND & UMD grab some, MSU grabs theirs, maybe even one decides to be a cheesehead, how many top quality players are left??? I was thinking more along the lines of someone being recognized in Canada or Europe, 1980 was a long time ago, but at least it is something that might give instant credibility when talking to a player and their parents. Also Harrington did a great job at SJU. I'm not sure how good he is at recruiting, but he can get someone who is. Recruiting often falls onto to an assistant anyway.

How about someone like Kevin Dineen or some other high profile guy, if the guy is interested in huntin' & fishin' when he isn't taking care of his coaching duties, it could be a great place for him to be. Then again SCSU probably doesn't have the budget for it.
 
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The Boomer said:
Isn't this fun??? SCSU Women's Hockey getting some attention!

No, I don't think Jim Fetter automatically gets the job.

Not convinced that John Harrington is the best choice.

Think someone "new" to the coaching business with an absolute solid resume as a player, leader and a WINNER might be the answer. If I have a daughter good enough to be recruited to play D-I hockey and Ms. Potter wanted to visit, I would put on the coffee and make some rolls!! Jenny Potter just seems to be the kind of person that could put some life into the program.

Whoever is picked they will have their work cut out for them . . .
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I had a chance to see Trinity play a couple of times this past season and I didn't feel that Coach Potter put much life into that team. Also heard mixed reviews from several folks attached to the program. She may be more suited to a D1 environment based on the feedback I heard though.
 
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brookyone said:
I think you could "almost" say it's undeniable that the SCSU staff has not really set the world afire with recruitment sales for awhile now. Perhaps not a strong endorsement of anyone involved in the task at the time. Have to believe the assessment by BigSandy should be entertained as potentially valid.
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I don't care how good you are as an assitant coach/recruiter - the head coach is the closer. Unless you have knowledge that Fetter/Vis/Bragnalo were unable to interest (i.e., consider/visit) top talent in SCS, then I disagree with you. (I actually know the opposite in a few cases). You can't just look at who they signed because that falls to the head coach IMO.

The reality is SCS needs to rebuild the program by attracting kids outside of MN - Fetter is the only Canadian.

IMO, it doesn't matter. Harrington will be selected...follow the money.
 
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96IllinoisDad said:
I don't care how good you are as an assitant coach/recruiter - the head coach is the closer. Unless you have knowledge that Fetter/Vis/Bragnalo were unable to interest (i.e., consider/visit) top talent in SCS, then I disagree with you. (I actually know the opposite in a few cases). You can't just look at who they signed because that falls to the head coach IMO.

The reality is SCS needs to rebuild the program by attracting kids outside of MN - Fetter is the only Canadian.

IMO, it doesn't matter. Harrington will be selected...follow the money.
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Yes, I believe we do disagree. I not really interested in pointing fingers at specific individuals to place blame for poor recruiting or give kudos for great recruiting efforts that failed to achieve desired success. If you want to pinpoint Giesen as solely responsible for lack of recruiting success knock yourself out. I'm probably going continue to make those assessments per accountability of entire coaching staffs. I know of cases where assistants have considerable roles in, and impact on recruiting success. I don't doubt that varies among programs and from one head coach to another.

I'm also not going to assume any of those listed as candidates couldn't successfully recruit outside of Minnesota.

Even though St. Cloud is such an undesirable destination according to some opinions I've read. ;)
 
The Boomer said:
If I have a daughter good enough to be recruited to play D-I hockey and Ms. Potter wanted to visit, I would put on the coffee and make some rolls!! Jenny Potter just seems to be the kind of person that could put some life into the program.
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Personally, I'd go with a former teammates of Potter, back before she was Potter and Cassano was Cassano. I think you'd be more likely to want her to return for a second round of coffee and rolls. She'd offer potential recruits a different option for a head coach than available elsewhere in the WCHA. Miller is the only other female boss, and the two would bring very different personalities. Cassano is competitive on the ice, but easy to get along with off the ice. As far as recruiting goes, I think the personality of the head coach is key. The assistants do most of the early selling, so it helps if when the recruits meet the H.C. for the first time, that meeting is likely to go in the "pros" column, not the "cons".
 
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ARM said:
Personally, I'd go with a former teammates of Potter, back before she was Potter and Cassano was Cassano. I think you'd be more likely to want her to return for a second round of coffee and rolls. She'd offer potential recruits a different option for a head coach than available elsewhere in the WCHA. Miller is the only other female boss, and the two would bring very different personalities. Cassano is competitive on the ice, but easy to get along with off the ice. As far as recruiting goes, I think the personality of the head coach is key. The assistants do most of the early selling, so it helps if when the recruits meet the H.C. for the first time, that meeting is likely to go in the "pros" column, not the "cons".
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Thanks for the info! I have never met--or even know much about--either Ms. Potter or Ms. Cassano. This is helpful. Maybe Ms. C the head coach and Ms. P the assistant. Best of both worlds. Plus, I believe that not only the WCHA women's hockey programs would benefit from more female coaches, but nationwide as well.
 
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brookyone said:
If you want to pinpoint Giesen as solely responsible for lack of recruiting success knock yourself out.
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I never made a comment about anyone's success or lack of success including Giesen. My comment was that it is unfair to say an AC can't recruit when I believe the "results" of a commitment to the school is predominately up to the HC. For sake of clarity, I would hold every head coach accountable for a team's recruiting.

Here is how I believe it works at most schools:
AC - scout and identify talent; be the face of the school at national camps, tournaments and with Club/HS coaches and develop relationships; get players interested in school and develop relationships with them to interest them in program;get them to visit school; keep engaged with player after offer in addition to HC (if HC wants).
HC - all of AC's roles but to a lesser extent due to time constraints; at some point take over recruitment of player, whether initially, prior to visit or at visit; make offer and stay engaged with player to get commitment.
 
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96IllinoisDad said:
For sake of clarity, I would hold every head coach accountable for recruiting, not just Giesen.
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The key word from brooky's post is "solely." Yes, the head coach is responsible, but do assistants get a free pass if recruiting is poor or credit when successful? IMO, that is the question, and it likely has to be weighed on a case-by-case basis.
 
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The Boomer said:
Plus, I believe that not only the WCHA women's hockey programs would benefit from more female coaches, but nationwide as well.
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lot's of people believe that, but the fact is, players want to play for the coach and program that will "be the best they can be"

that's the difference between sports and other organizations, if you don't put the best people available in the position, you learn a harsh reality
 
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pokechecker said:
lot's of people believe that, but the fact is, players want to play for the coach and program that will "be the best they can be"

that's the difference between sports and other organizations, if you don't put the best people available in the position, you learn a harsh reality
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Yes, I believe Women's Hockey would benefit from more women head coaches. The difference, IMO, is the sad fact that there has not been a big increase in woman coaches at the youth, high school or college level.
 
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BigSandy said:
http://www.stcloudstate.edu/humanresources/search/default.asp
Here is the list ..
Tracy Cassano, John Harrington, Daniel Koch, jenny Potter, Jim Fetter, and Eric Rud.
Any thoughts?
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Typos on Eric Rud's resume??

"Recruited Nic Down" um...Nic Dowd?
"Recruiting WCHA defensemen of the year Nick Jensen" - recruited not recruiting right? I mean I don't think he's still in the process...
"Recruited NCHA rookie of the year Jacob Slavin" NCHA???
 
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The Boomer said:
Yes, I believe Women's Hockey would benefit from more women head coaches. The difference, IMO, is the sad fact that there has not been a big increase in woman coaches at the youth, high school or college level.
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that says more about you than it does about women's hockey, which is growing like crazy, both in skill and participation

the idea here isn't to promote, enhance, ... whatever women's hockey, it is all about SCSU women's hockey. Do they want to be the politically correct doormat, or do they want to get out of the basement?

here is something you don't see on anybody's resume when looking for a coaching/manager job:
I raised X (number) of kids to adulthood.
I did a great/OK/poor job, but the experience taught me more than my entire four years earning a Bachelors degree.
 
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123kidd said:
Where Mrs. Potter goes, Mr. Potter won't be too far behind.
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Mr. Potter coaches the Maple Grove girls team, a short 45 minute drive from St. Cloud on I-94. They wouldn't necessarily have to change their place of residence.
 
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