SCSU and UW: Badger hunting

[MadCityRich]

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The NCAA is focusing on hits to the head and it was clearly a hit to the head. Pretty cut and dried. That is the thrid time that I have seen Marvin go for another players head. Chay, last weekend against Brett Hextall and not this, the league should suspend him. There is a pattern developing here.

Not to mention his goon days go back to high school.

 

[motox]

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Penalty - Yes. Cheap, dirty, etc - No. Watch the video as many times as you have to, play it in slow motion. Marvin was going for a shoulder to shoulder check, as he came in for the hit Geoffrion was adjusting to the puck and pulled his right shoulder backward, thus exposing his head.

Whoever is saying Marvin has now taken out two top tier captains, seriously? Do you really think in the the time Marvin saw the puck come to the center of the ice he thought of how valuable Geoffrion is to the Badgers and decided he was going to go after his head to end his season? I get that you're upset because he's one of your stars but let's be realistic here. It could've been Mich Tech's worst player and not one thing about that situation would have changed. As someone else said, the timing of it couldn't be worse for Marvin.

We all hope Geoffrion is okay and can play this Friday.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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I haven't read one post on here since I saw the hit Marvin laid out. If anybody is trying to say that was a dirty hit they know nothing about hockey. Anybody who has ever played the game has either been hit like that or has been on the ice when a guy has been hit like that. Sorry it is hockey 101, keep your head up. That was a clean hit!

The NCAA can put some lame rule in that says no hits to the head. This is the perfect example of how that rule makes no sense. The Wisconsin guy had his head down and Marvin hit in when he had the puck. You can't stop that type of hit from happening and you shouldn't, it is part of the game. Should we ban checking next? This is a violent game and Sometimes injuries happen on clean hits.

On a side note I saw some UND fan on the SC Times site talk about cheap hits last saturday by St. Cloud Players. I think maybe you need to look at the replay of last sauturday's game and you see a hell of a lot of cheap shots by UND players......

 

[splendidus]

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I think the problem a lot of people see is that Marvin was coming from behind Geoffrion and hit him only in his head. It would have been different if Marvin had been coming from in front or more to the side and hit him harder in a "head-on" collision in which he also got some of the body...

 

[First Time Long Time]

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Goon in high school? Are you nuts MCR?

 

[Dirty]

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It's rather obvious to me from watching the video that Aaron Marvin was attempting to deliver a basket of chocolate and bunny rabbits to the Kohl Center penalty box attendants when Blake Geoffrion savagely attacked St. Marvin with his head. Blake has no one to blame but himself. He should be suspended five games for breaking up St. Marvin's charity attempts.

FTLT is right about Marvin too. He wasn't a goon in HS. In fact he singlehandedly built Marvin Gardens in Warroad to get a Boy Scout badge.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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I think the problem a lot of people see is that Marvin was coming from behind Geoffrion and hit him only in his head. It would have been different if Marvin had been coming from in front or more to the side and hit him harder in a "head-on" collision in which he also got some of the body...

If he would have came from the front it could have been worse. Many times from the front the player not only gets the shoulder to the head, but also a a whip lash back and their head hits the ice and makes it a double hit to the head. If Marvin would have led with his elbow then it would have been a cheap hit. I guarantee if Geoferion(sp) was in Marvin's position he would have done the same thing.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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Penalty - Yes. Cheap, dirty, etc - No. Watch the video as many times as you have to, play it in slow motion. Marvin was going for a shoulder to shoulder check, as he came in for the hit Geoffrion was adjusting to the puck and pulled his right shoulder backward, thus exposing his head.

Whoever is saying Marvin has now taken out two top tier captains, seriously? Do you really think in the the time Marvin saw the puck come to the center of the ice he thought of how valuable Geoffrion is to the Badgers and decided he was going to go after his head to end his season? I get that you're upset because he's one of your stars but let's be realistic here. It could've been Mich Tech's worst player and not one thing about that situation would have changed. As someone else said, the timing of it couldn't be worse for Marvin.

We all hope Geoffrion is okay and can play this Friday.

It's not a penalty either. The NCAA has said all hits to the head are a penalty, but it is not possible. Every single game there are hits to the head the ref's never call, they need to change the wording in the rule.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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The NCAA can put some lame rule in that says no hits to the head. This is the perfect example of how that rule makes no sense. The Wisconsin guy had his head down and Marvin hit in when he had the puck. You can't stop that type of hit from happening and you shouldn't, it is part of the game. Should we ban checking next? This is a violent game and Sometimes injuries happen on clean hits.

The cops can put some lame rule in that says rape is illegal. This is the perfect example of how that rule makes no sense. The girl had her head down and the guy raped her when she was vulnerable. You can't stop that type of thing from happening and you shouldn't, it is part of the game. Should we ban sex next? This is a violent game and some times rapes happen.

 

[PCM]

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It's not a penalty either. The NCAA has said all hits to the head are a penalty, but it is not possible. Every single game there are hits to the head the ref's never call, they need to change the wording in the rule.

I've seen a lot of contact to the head penalties called this season that wouldn't have been called in seasons past. That's why it makes aboslutely no sense to call penalties when there's relatively minor contact to the head, but make no call on this play, which quite obviously involved major contact to the head.

 

[motox]

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It's not a penalty either. The NCAA has said all hits to the head are a penalty, but it is not possible. Every single game there are hits to the head the ref's never call, they need to change the wording in the rule.

That's where I disagree, hits to the head should be a penalty regardless of whether there was intent or not. There has to be some level of protection for the players. Injuries are bound to happen but if hits to the head weren't called each and every time that would leave too much subjectivity in the hands of the refs. We all know what happens if that's the case.

Chuck, make your point but don't take it to the extreme and don't use the comparison you just did. We already went through that scenario with Sloe Gin last week, no need for you to stoop to that level.

 

[FueledByRamen]

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Well the guy saying that 75% of all rapes are made up by the woman and that 90% of the women who actually are raped are "asking for it" kind of takes the cake over my opinion on Aaron Marvin.

Does anyone else find it funny that this quote/reasoning comes from the #1 contributor to the pseudo-soft core porn thread in the cafe?

It's rather obvious to me from watching the video that Aaron Marvin was attempting to deliver a basket of chocolate and bunny rabbits to the Kohl Center penalty box attendants when Blake Geoffrion savagely attacked St. Marvin with his head. Blake has no one to blame but himself. He should be suspended five games for breaking up St. Marvin's charity attempts.

FTLT is right about Marvin too. He wasn't a goon in HS. In fact he singlehandedly built Marvin Gardens in Warroad to get a Boy Scout badge.

Thanks Dirty... Got a laugh out of that one. Just hope Geoffrion is OK for next weekend. Questionable hit, absolutely. Intent to injure... thats a stretch. The Genoway hit was wayyyy worse IMO. Lets get our 4 in tech and set up for a strong last weekend with the rodents.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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The cops can put some lame rule in that says rape is illegal. This is the perfect example of how that rule makes no sense. The girl had her head down and the guy raped her when she was vulnerable. You can't stop that type of thing from happening and you shouldn't, it is part of the game. Should we ban sex next? This is a violent game and some times rapes happen.

I am speechless. How one even thinks of comparing a hockey rule to Rape is beyond me.....

I will put it to this way. If that hit happens in the NHL there is no penalty. If that hit happened when I was playing, it wasn't a penalty. That hit happened last night and it wasn't a penalty.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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That's where I disagree, hits to the head should be a penalty regardless of whether there was intent or not. There has to be some level of protection for the players. Injuries are bound to happen but if hits to the head weren't called each and every time that would leave too much subjectivity in the hands of the refs. We all know what happens if that's the case.

Chuck, make your point but don't take it to the extreme and don't use the comparison you just did. We already went through that scenario with Sloe Gin last week, no need for you to stoop to that level.

I dissagree and this is why. A hit like this reminds me of checking from behind calls. When they first made the rule they said all hits are penalties. Then they realized that makes no sense so now they allow the ref a judgement on it. If a guy has his head down at center ice it is not Marvin's job to make sure he doesn't hit his head when he applies a legal check. If he leads with his elbow, knee or stick then yes it is a penalty.

now Sconnie fans can go back to comparing a check to rape.

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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I am speechless. How one even thinks of comparing a hockey rule to Rape is beyond me.....

I will put it to this way. If that hit happens in the NHL there is no penalty. If that hit happened when I was playing, it wasn't a penalty. That hit happened last night and it wasn't a penalty.

Pat LaFontaine just gave you a big middle finger. It's obvious that you know nothing about concussions and head injuries and how serious they are.

I wasn't comparing hockey to a rape, I was trying to make my statement look as stupid as yours was saying that hits to the head should be legal. It's one thing to argue if the hit was intentional, dirty or whatever, but to say that head contact should be legal? That bothers me.

 

[Dude Love]

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I like how you compare me to Aaron Marvin, and you skew what I said and take it out of context. Nice job DL. Nice job.

Well here's your post:

ok, I personally know 3 women that got raped and 1 that falsely claimed it. Therefore, the odds are 25% to my knowledge that a rape claim will be false.

And as I said, a LOT of women ask for it. They dress like hookers, they flirt constantly, then wonder why the guys throw themselves at the woman. Honestly, I'm going to estimate 90% of women had a rape coming.

I think I got it pretty close. Honestly, if this is what you think, you need to seek some sort of counseling.

 

[Dude Love]

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Does anyone else find it funny that this quote/reasoning comes from the #1 contributor to the pseudo-soft core porn thread in the cafe?

Why is that funny?

 

[Chuck Schwartz]

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Well here's your post:



I think I got it pretty close. Honestly, if this is what you think, you need to seek some sort of counseling.

Sorry for quoting you Dude Love, because I don't know where that Sloe Gin post came from.

Sloe Gin,

If one out of three girls that got raped that you know made it up, wouldn't that be 33%? I'm no math major you might have to check that.

 

[Dude Love]

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Sloe Gin,

If one out of three girls that got raped that you know made it up, wouldn't that be 33%? I'm no math major you might have to check that.

We discussed that. He said it in a confusing way.

 

[PCM]

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I dissagree and this is why. A hit like this reminds me of checking from behind calls. When they first made the rule they said all hits are penalties. Then they realized that makes no sense so now they allow the ref a judgement on it. If a guy has his head down at center ice it is not Marvin's job to make sure he doesn't hit his head when he applies a legal check. If he leads with his elbow, knee or stick then yes it is a penalty.

Last time I checked, hits from behind are still illegal. All the NCAA did was give refs the option of calling them as major or minor penalties, depending on the severity of the hit.

There was a time in the NFL when clotheslining and spearing with the helmet was legal. But the league wisely realized that allowing these hits put players lives and careers in danger. So they implemented rules against those hits, which is exactly what the NCAA has done by adopting a zero tolerance policy for hits to the head.

It doesn't matter if it was okay in the past. It doesn't matter if you think it's a good rule or a good policy. The rule is in the book, and it's the role of WCHA officials to enforce the rules.