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Sandusky/Penn State scandal

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RaceBoarder said:
You can tell that this is really hitting home for Millen as you watch him report on this for Sportscenter, College Football Live, etc... He takes pride in his connection to PSU and he has obviously been hurt by the actions of people within the program... It's nice to see some emotion from someone like this... It shows how serious this is...
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Millen very well might be a candidate to become Penn State's new athletic director. Ya, I know, insert Detroit Lions joke...
 
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unofan said:
sadly, this.

The NCAA has as much jurisdiction here as the kangaroo courts most universities have set up for sexual assault cases among students. A former assistant coach's pedophilia doesn't really have anything to do with the NCAA's governance of intercollegiate athletics. It's a bit like saying that a banker or teacher shot someone, so therefore the SEC/Dept. of Education should punish the bank/school. Doesn't really make sense.

There's probably something in the manual about gross misconduct or the like, but I don't see why the NCAA should be involved in this at all.
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And some of us innocently/stupidly thought mascots weren't any of their business either. And we've learned how mistaken we were. Even if under some extreme interpretation of their rules, would the NC$$ even WANT to touch this? I agree, they should stay out. They have no authority.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
Let's leave the political peeing matches for the other threads. The only thing I'm concerned about is Penn State related stuff and the fallout in regards to the case. I do wonder who would even entertain the thought to come in and pick up the pieces. It was going to be hard following JoePa by itself, but this makes it a million times harder.
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There's always a guy out there. Matt Millen as AD and Al Golden as Head Coach is a distinct possibility.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
Let's leave the political peeing matches for the other threads. The only thing I'm concerned about is Penn State related stuff and the fallout in regards to the case. I do wonder who would even entertain the thought to come in and pick up the pieces. It was going to be hard following JoePa by itself, but this makes it a million times harder.
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It's usually impossible to follow a legend. In college football, Paterno is pretty close to being THE legend. Remember who replaced Lombardi in Green Bay? Phil Bengston.
 
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It's not as difficult when said legend will be leaving on these terms.
 
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bronconick said:
Most likely nothing. This is probably outside their area of involvement. Baylor basketball had a teammate murder another and the coach claim the victim was a drug dealer to hide the fact he was paying for a couple of the kids schooling because he was out of scholarships to offer. They got probation, lost all their non-conference games for a year and the coach has a 10 year show cause...because of the recruiting violations.
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Wasn't an assistant bball coach at the University of Houston implicated in counterfeiting? The investigation began when a fedex pouch full of real money burst open. And pretty soon, well, you get the picture. And wasn't a Northwestern football player involved in point shaving? IIRC, he actually fumbled on the goal line to keep them from scoring. This was a legal matter, no involvement by coaches or alumni. And the NC$$ took no action as I recall.
 
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J.D. said:
It's not as difficult when said legend will be leaving on these terms.
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Maybe. But this will hurt/kill recruiting for an indefinite period. This is not corruption in the commonly accepted sense of the word. How do you prove your staff and your program isn't infested with pedophiles?
 
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unofan said:
sadly, this.

The NCAA has as much jurisdiction here as the kangaroo courts most universities have set up for sexual assault cases among students. A former assistant coach's pedophilia doesn't really have anything to do with the NCAA's governance of intercollegiate athletics. It's a bit like saying that a banker or teacher shot someone, so therefore the SEC/Dept. of Education should punish the bank/school. Doesn't really make sense.

There's probably something in the manual about gross misconduct or the like, but I don't see why the NCAA should be involved in this at all.
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I think the NCAA can place sanctions on the school. It isn't recruiting violations, but if the allegations are true and if there was a cover up of criminal activity, you better believe the NCAA has full right to punish a member school.
 
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Old Pio said:
How do you prove your staff and your program isn't infested with pedophiles?
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You can't, but the show must go on. I guess one question would be is do they bring in an AD/Head Coach that have an affiliation to the Paterno era? Meaning, maybe they start fresh with guys that have no association to Penn State. That would eliminate Millen/Golden.
 
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J.D. said:
You can't, but the show must go on. I guess one question would be is do they bring in an AD/Head Coach that have an affiliation to the Paterno era? Meaning, maybe they start fresh with guys that have no association to Penn State. That would eliminate Millen/Golden.
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Good point. Except on the sideline, all other things being equal, you might want someone with a connection to the program. Continuity and all. The problem for them is, they can't bring in someone associated with a prevous golden era, he'd be 110.
 
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dubbie31 said:
I think the NCAA can place sanctions on the school. It isn't recruiting violations, but if the allegations are true and if there was a cover up of criminal activity, you better believe the NCAA has full right to punish a member school.
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They can probably find some justification if they really want to. Do they really want to?
 
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J.D. said:
You can't, but the show must go on. I guess one question would be is do they bring in an AD/Head Coach that have an affiliation to the Paterno era? Meaning, maybe they start fresh with guys that have no association to Penn State. That would eliminate Millen/Golden.
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Where they really need to clean house is in the administrative side of the athletic department, because those are the people who are supposed to keep the athletic staffs inline and under control. The real question is how deep do they have to cut to remove all of the rot that allowed such an event to go unreported. This is why Paterno may need to go, not because he did anything that would justify him being fired, but because that is the only way to clean up this mess and allow PSU a fresh start.
 
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Almington said:
Where they really need to clean house is in the administrative side of the athletic department, because those are the people who are supposed to keep the athletic staffs inline and under control. The real question is how deep do they have to cut to remove all of the rot that allowed such an event to go unreported. This is why Paterno may need to go, not because he did anything that would justify him being fired, but because that is the only way to clean up this mess and allow PSU a fresh start.
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What I can't get my head around is that senior university officials evidently felt like committing perjury to protect (Joe, the program, the University or all of the above) was acceptable. To me, this is seriously corrupt and demented. As in any house cleaning, they'd have to be careful about guilt by association. But I generally agree with you. The alumni and others (who buy tickets and luxury boxes) are going to demand it. However, down the road a bit, this will diminish in importance in their minds, and W's will again become very important. ND canned Ty Willingham for an insufficient number of wins and the next several coaches had worse records. What has differentiated guys like Paterno and Coach K is succeeding on a very high level, while maintaining standards. It's no trick to be Rice.
 
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walrus said:
Wow
At risk Of Old Pio jumping down my throat its looking more and more like Joe Pa knew long ago.
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Not that Old Pio needs defending from me (I'm inclined to wonder if he would be rushing to defend Paterno if JoePa was a well known liberal instead of a well known Republican), but where in that story does it say Paterno knows any more or any less than anyone has speculated so far? In fact I'm inclined to feel if the story is accurate, it tends to exonerate him to a certain extent. If he "knew long ago" that would tend to implicate him and would make a generous package less likely.
 
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Well, Old Pio says we need to wait and hear Joe's side of the story, and it appears that the administration would rather that that never happen. Pretty much putting the gag order on him. Keep quiet, and we'll give you this lucrative severance package.
 
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