Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

[NUProf]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

That, sir, is a very interesting question. They could have -- still can, if they move up to D2. Some coaches have wondered why they didn't.

There has never been (to my knowledge) any serious interest in doing so. Division III is a better fit both academically and athletically for a school with the enrollment, location and endowment levels that it has. DI (even on the basis of a non-scholarship status like RIT and Union) is pretty costly proposition given travel and other considerations. If you think in Northfield, VT you could generate enough revenue to fund a competitive DI program, you must be from a different planet. There are other ways of spending scarce resources.

 

[hockeyfan77]

Supporter? Hardly. Admire the school? Absolutely.

Name another school that has finished in 1st place? Name another school (I can!) that has hosted the championship weekend?

That's not parity.

NEC hosted championship weekend in either 07 or 08 when UMB upset NU...Ok now we can shift back to the elitism!!!

 

[Beaver Believer]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

2012-13 ECAC-E Champs is Babson not Norwich. The High School comment is just stupid. Babson and Norwich played (4) times last season with Babson winning twice at Norwich and Norwich came from behind to tie at Bason. Babso also destroyed Wentworth in the NCAA game. The Testa comment is typical Norwich lament. While no argument that he is an excellent goalie who played very well in those games, he didn't score any of the goals or block any of the shots that a very committed team blocked in front of him. Norwich generally has a very good team but the lament abouts and territorial play is what losers kling to after they've been beaten. Be better than that!

 

[jerrynu26]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

2012-13 ECAC-E Champs is Babson not Norwich. The High School comment is just stupid. Babson and Norwich played (4) times last season with Babson winning twice at Norwich and Norwich came from behind to tie at Bason. Babso also destroyed Wentworth in the NCAA game. The Testa comment is typical Norwich lament. While no argument that he is an excellent goalie who played very well in those games, he didn't score any of the goals or block any of the shots that a very committed team blocked in front of him. Norwich generally has a very good team but the lament abouts and territorial play is what losers kling to after they've been beaten. Be better than that!

Not really wanting to prolong this conversation, but you all did see where the person making the comment said he was NOT a Norwich supporter? (although he was a former ECAC-East member supporter, it wasn't NU).

In fact, NONE of the Norwich supporters said that.

 

[joecct]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

The ECAC-E has great parity - for positions 2-10.
You can say the same thing for the SUNYAC for positions 3-9.

 

[hawkhockey]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Hearing some rumblings , that there has been some new interest from the Western schools, of all places, to allow the DII schools ,that play by DIII rules, have their games count.
I guess it has something about expanding the playoffs to 12 teams from 11. In order to do this, I am told, you need an additional 6 or 7 teams in the field.
Allowing the 6 , NE-10 teams to join the mix allows for the expansion, which I am told is very interesting to the teams in the West.
Ironically, it is the western teams that have effectively blocked past efforts , the latest in 2010.
as is usually the case, time is of the essence as there has been talk of some of the DII's dropping varsity status and play club( due to difficulty scheduling games as DII's) and the persistent rumor of St.A's looking at DI.
I know for a fact that if offered the option of having games in DIII count and moving to DI, St.A's would prefer the former.But if St.A's moves and /or one of the remaining DII teams drop the sport, there would be losers all around.

 

[jerrynu26]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

The WIAC schools now have to compete against the ECAC-W for the lone pool B slot (and a pool C). Adding the 4 non-ST dII schools gets them very close to another pool B.

 

[hawkhockey]

The WIAC schools now have to compete against the ECAC-W for the lone pool B slot (and a pool C). Adding the 4 non-ST dII schools gets them very close to another pool B.

St A's
St. Mike
SNHU
Assumption
Stonehill
Franklin Pierce. Would add 6 to the mix? And allow for one additional playoff spot ?

 

[NUProf]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

St A's
St. Mike
SNHU
Assumption
Stonehill
Franklin Pierce. Would add 6 to the mix? And allow for one additional playoff spot ?

There are 79 teams that I rank in my computer rankings. The standard for playoff spots is 6.5:1

6.5 * 12 = 78. This means that if the DII teams that play DIII schedules were allowed in the field would be 12.

 

[joecct]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Hate to throw a monkey wrench into the mix, but would the NCAA allow schools in the same Division (D-II) to play up or down, depending on their degree of commitment?

The D-II's currently have an option. Why should the NCAA create another?

 

[hawkhockey]

Hate to throw a monkey wrench into the mix, but would the NCAA allow schools in the same Division (D-II) to play up or down, depending on their degree of commitment?

The D-II's currently have an option. Why should the NCAA create another?

1 they have already allowed DIII play up in hockey based on their commitment
2 why not? If the DII s want it and IF the DIII's want it for whatever reason, why would they stop it ?
3 the NCAA promulgates rules based on the need and wishes of their constituency, if things change why couldn't the rules change accordingly ?

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

1 they have already allowed DIII play up in hockey based on their commitment

Totally, totally, totally different situation. Totally different. Totally.

2 why not? If the DII s want it and IF the DIII's want it for whatever reason, why would they stop it ?

You haven't hung around the NCAA that long, have you?

3 the NCAA promulgates rules based on the need and wishes of their constituency, if things change why couldn't the rules change accordingly ?

You have to understand this includes all members of the NCAA which means they tend not to give niche sports special rules which can adversely affect all sports.

 

[hawkhockey]

Totally, totally, totally different situation. Totally different. Totally.

Please totally enlighten me

You haven't hung around the NCAA that long, have you?
Is that supposed to funny? Or patronizing ?



You have to understand this includes all members of the NCAA which means they tend not to give niche sports special rules which can adversely affect all sports.

They tend not to or they will not ?

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

They tend not to or they will not ?

To the best of my knowledge, they never have. Also to consider, a move like this would in all likelihood require approval from both DII and DIII memberships. To give you an idea of what that looks like:

DII: 21 of 290 (7.2%) play Men's Hockey, and 1 plays only women's hockey (total: 7.6%)

DIII: 79 of 436 (18.1%) play Men's Hockey, and 4 play on women's hockey (total: 19.0%)

That makes 621 of 726 (85.5%) members in the two divisions that either don't give a rat's behind about what happens in hockey or might be afraid to set a precedent that might negatively affect the sports THEY play without receiving any real benefit themselves.

Those hurdles start to look more like the Himilayas when you look at the numbers.

 

[hawkhockey]

To the best of my knowledge, they never have. Also to consider, a move like this would in all likelihood require approval from both DII and DIII memberships. To give you an idea of what that looks like:

DII: 21 of 290 (7.2%) play Men's Hockey, and 1 plays only
DIII: 79 of 436 (18.1%) play Men's Hockey, and 4 play on women's hockey (total: 19.0%)

That makes 621 of 726 (85.5%) members in the two divisions that either don't give a rat's behind about what happens in hockey or might be afraid to set a precedent that might negatively affect the sports THEY play without receiving any real benefit themselves.

Those hurdles start to look more like the Himilayas when you look at the numbers.

Thanks for your thoughts and analysis and you are are probably right on.
Only question is if 85 % don t care about hockey , then
N why should they care about what hockey does ?

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Thanks for your thoughts and analysis and you are are probably right on.
Only question is if 85 % don t care about hockey , then
N why should they care about what hockey does ?

Because of the rest of that sentence... Make a special rule for one sport, then schools in other sports will start crying foul when they don't get that same exception... And, whileit would obviously be beneficial in hockey, such an allowance might eventually be detrimental in another. Therefore, it is easier to just change nothing if it doesn't benefit you.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Thanks for your thoughts and analysis and you are are probably right on.
Only question is if 85 % don t care about hockey , then
N why should they care about what hockey does ?

Because you can't make a rule just for hockey. Any rule has to apply across the specific division within the NCAA.

Non-hockey schools (and possibly some hockey schools) will be reluctant to make a rule that could adversely affect other sports.

 

[NUProf]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Because you can't make a rule just for hockey. Any rule has to apply across the specific division within the NCAA.

Non-hockey schools (and possibly some hockey schools) will be reluctant to make a rule that could adversely affect other sports.

But there are plenty of rules in DI that seem to apply only to Football and Basketball. In the days when play-ups were allowed, DII and DIII could play up in any sport they wanted, except for the sacrosanct Football and Basketball. When it is convenient for them, they do make special case exceptions.

 

[eXcSports]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

St. A's has picked up a transfer from Bentley in the form of F Mark Meads

http://jarpride.com/2013/07/01/meads-transfers-to-st-anselm/

 

[eXcSports]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Also, while I'm at it, we can report that St. A's is moving closer to D1 hockey.

http://jarpride.com/2013/07/02/college-hockey-realignment-st-as-inching-closer/