Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

[dreamer6]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

What would happen the the SMC and St. A's basketball programs if the schools move down to DIII? I thought one of the major reasons they won't reclassify is because they award scholarships to basketball players.

 

[joecct]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

What would happen the the SMC and St. A's basketball programs if the schools move down to DIII? I thought one of the major reasons they won't reclassify is because they award scholarships to basketball players.

IIRC, the school athletic program goes through a 4 year "cleansing" period before they'd be eligible for post season play.

 

[hawkhockey]

What would happen the the SMC and St. A's basketball programs if the schools move down to DIII? I thought one of the major reasons they won't reclassify is because they award scholarships to basketball players.

If they reclassify , they stop giving athletic scholarships. They leave the NE 10 , a basketball focused scholarship league and join an existing league or start a new league, non scholarship.
What is interesting is the number of schools that have been contacted about a new league that are les than happy with their current athletic situation and are willing to talk, confidentially of course.
We' ll see very soon

 

[hawkhockey]

The GNAC has a history of being really pretty fungible, and lots of Norwich road trips go through Manchester on the way to Boston.

Is NU happy being a part of the GNAC?

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Is NU happy being a part of the GNAC?

Yes.

 

[dreamer6]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

If they reclassify , they stop giving athletic scholarships. They leave the NE 10 , a basketball focused scholarship league and join an existing league or start a new league, non scholarship.
What is interesting is the number of schools that have been contacted about a new league that are les than happy with their current athletic situation and are willing to talk, confidentially of course.
We' ll see very soon

Sorry, I should clarify. I know they would not be able to offer scholarships if they reclassify to DIII, I just thought they received a lot of money from alumni with strong basketball ties, and are concerned the money would stop coming in if they were to reclassify. I hope they do move down....trust me.

 

[hawkhockey]

Sorry, I should clarify. I know they would not be able to offer scholarships if they reclassify to DIII, I just thought they received a lot of money from alumni with strong basketball ties, and are concerned the money would stop coming in if they were to reclassify. I hope they do move down....trust me.

Hockey raises more money for the school than basketball.

 

[Sonny]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Hockey should make the move to DI period. They have everything it takes to be there and be competitive. The Girls can also go to a DI league. What is the hold up ? Does the AD leaving have something to do with it ? Just a thought.

 

[hawkhockey]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Hockey should make the move to DI period. They have everything it takes to be there and be competitive. The Girls can also go to a DI league. What is the hold up ? Does the AD leaving have something to do with it ? Just a thought.

The fact that the AD, who was championing the DI move, left should answer your question ReI

 

[SNHUPenman]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Hockey raises more money for the school than basketball.

BUT, the basketball team is hosting a nationally televised game against SNHU! That is at least exciting.

If St. A's does officially move down I am going to miss the cross-town rivalry in all sports we have right now. Some of the baseball games of late have been amazing! But I think it would be smart of them to move down. St. Mike's HAS to move down, they are all by themselves in VT. I truly wonder what is the fate of the NE-10 regarding hockey. And the fall out losing those two will have on the league as a whole. Plus Merrimack wants to move up, so there is possibly 3 teams on the move. Crazy.

 

[hawkhockey]

BUT, the basketball team is hosting a nationally televised game against SNHU! That is at least exciting.

If St. A's does officially move down I am going to miss the cross-town rivalry in all sports we have right now. Some of the baseball games of late have been amazing! But I think it would be smart of them to move down. St. Mike's HAS to move down, they are all by themselves in VT. I truly wonder what is the fate of the NE-10 regarding hockey. And the fall out losing those two will have on the league as a whole. Plus Merrimack wants to move up, so there is possibly 3 teams on the move. Crazy.

Bentley is the next shoe to drop leaving the NE 10. Stonehill and Assumption will then have to decide what they want to do. M y guess is that
Stonehill moves up to DI and drops hockey and adds mens lacrosse Assumption may stay
For St. A"s it is not if it is when they leave the NE 10

 

[SNHUPenman]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Bentley is the next shoe to drop leaving the NE 10. Stonehill and Assumption will then have to decide what they want to do. M y guess is that
Stonehill moves up to DI and drops hockey and adds mens lacrosse Assumption may stay
For St. A"s it is not if it is when they leave the NE 10

So you believe St. A's wants to try to get together a conference in D3, or would they rather join a current conference? St. Mike's is long gone. I don't see Stonehill moving up. Do they have the financial resources to even consider it? or the current facilites?

Bentley goes full Northeast? That would seem to be the most likely landing spot I'd think.

 

[Sonny]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

So you believe St. A's wants to try to get together a conference in D3, or would they rather join a current conference? St. Mike's is long gone. I don't see Stonehill moving up. Do they have the financial resources to even consider it? or the current facilites?

Bentley goes full Northeast? That would seem to be the most likely landing spot I'd think.

Not to beat a dead horse here but St A's has the resources to go DI in Hockey, Basketball and or Football. All they need to do is decide. Let's go Hawks!

 

[PSUChamps2001]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Not to beat a dead horse here but St A's has the resources to go DI in Hockey, Basketball and or Football. All they need to do is decide. Let's go Hawks!

Not to start a flame war here, but if St.A's has all these "resources to go DI" why have they been a jaw dropping 6th place team......in the ECAC East....since the turn of the century? Do they expect to just flip a switch and be competitive? Sullivan Arena is nice and all, but not sure how that's a selling point to put together a competitive team. I'm assuming here that the admin has changed because for years they have shown little to no interest in hockey or they wouldn't be averaging a 6th place finish in their league alone and no higher then 3rd. IF, big IF here, St.A's goes and plays DI they will be nothing more then a "pad the stat" night for most teams, and that's just AHA teams. I know they've gone on so long with out putting together a competitive DIII team, so being a non-competitive DI team won't be much different, but I have a strong feeling they will fold in DI before they have their first 3 game winning streak.

 

[jerrynu26]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Not to beat a dead horse here but St A's has the resources to go DI in Hockey, Basketball and or Football. All they need to do is decide. Let's go Hawks!

They may currently have the resources, but it costs far less (travel costs, scholarships, etc) to go DIII and be competitive. And with the possibility of post season play, I believe they will be competitive in short order.
As indicated by hawkhockey, it seems the discussion is what conferences to get in for everything but hockey.

 

[hawk]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Not to start a flame war here, but if St.A's has all these "resources to go DI" why have they been a jaw dropping 6th place team......in the ECAC East....since the turn of the century? Do they expect to just flip a switch and be competitive? Sullivan Arena is nice and all, but not sure how that's a selling point to put together a competitive team. I'm assuming here that the admin has changed because for years they have shown little to no interest in hockey or they wouldn't be averaging a 6th place finish in their league alone and no higher then 3rd. IF, big IF here, St.A's goes and plays DI they will be nothing more then a "pad the stat" night for most teams, and that's just AHA teams. I know they've gone on so long with out putting together a competitive DIII team, so being a non-competitive DI team won't be much different, but I have a strong feeling they will fold in DI before they have their first 3 game winning streak.

I have been watching St. A's for years and they are not far from being a top D3 team; the problem I am sure is trying to recruit players that have no chance to play in a NCAA tournament and are stuck in there small D2 league. Every team that has a modern ice facility like Plattsburgh, Middlebury, Norwich, and Bowdoin have had very successful teams and Sullivan Arena is as good as any of them. Plus being located an hour away from Boston and a great campus are all in place for a successful team. Just wait a couple of years after they go D3 and you could see St. A's fighting Castleton and Norwich for the ECAC E title each year. A Friday night game with the crowds at Sullivan is a very exciting place to watch a D3 hockey game.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

I have been watching St. A's for years and they are not far from being a top D3 team;

Cortland is only a couple dozen stars, new coach, new administration, and heat away from being "a top D3 team" too....

the problem I am sure is trying to recruit players that have no chance to play in a NCAA tournament and are stuck in there small D2 league.

So let's go DI and be nothing but a DI JV scrimmage game against 95% of DI teams, smart move. Yes, being "stuck" in that small D2 league I'm sure does not attract a lot of top notch players, but an average of 6th? Again, that's a lot of hope of just flipping that switch and being competitive. There are very few teams in DIII that could transition into DI and be successful and St.A's is not even on the first page. AIC, Bently, Michigan Tech, and Sacred Heart I'm sure will greet you with open arms however.

Every team that has a modern ice facility like Plattsburgh, Middlebury, Norwich, and Bowdoin have had very successful teams and Sullivan Arena is as good as any of them.

And again, if it was that good, they would attract a few more decent players and not finish an average 6th in the league....

Plus being located an hour away from Boston and a great campus are all in place for a successful team.

Again, see above. If its such a draw...........

Just wait a couple of years after they go D3 and you could see St. A's fighting Castleton and Norwich for the ECAC E title each year.

.....and then you woke up.....did you choke on that steak?

A Friday night game with the crowds at Sullivan is a very exciting place to watch a D3 hockey game.

Is that because you have your pick of seats with an average of only 18% capacity (476) since 2002?? Place much be rocking!!

 

[hawk]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Cortland is only a couple dozen stars, new coach, new administration, and heat away from being "a top D3 team" too....


So let's go DI and be nothing but a DI JV scrimmage game against 95% of DI teams, smart move. Yes, being "stuck" in that small D2 league I'm sure does not attract a lot of top notch players, but an average of 6th? Again, that's a lot of hope of just flipping that switch and being competitive. There are very few teams in DIII that could transition into DI and be successful and St.A's is not even on the first page. AIC, Bently, Michigan Tech, and Sacred Heart I'm sure will greet you with open arms however.


And again, if it was that good, they would attract a few more decent players and not finish an average 6th in the league....


Again, see above. If its such a draw...........


.....and then you woke up.....did you choke on that steak?


Is that because you have your pick of seats with an average of only 18% capacity (476) since 2002?? Place much be rocking!!

To continue this discussion last season St. A's defeated Fedonia 4-2 and tied Buffalo State on the road (how many miles is it from Manchester to Buffalo). I would say they already are a mid level SUNY team talent wise and a move to D3 with a few more A type players should make they very good. But they have already proved they can compete with SUNY level teams. Just my opinion but a consider Ed Seney a very good D2/D3 coach.

 

[Sonny]

Re: Saint Anselm possibly moving up to D-I?

Cortland is only a couple dozen stars, new coach, new administration, and heat away from being "a top D3 team" too....


So let's go DI and be nothing but a DI JV scrimmage game against 95% of DI teams, smart move. Yes, being "stuck" in that small D2 league I'm sure does not attract a lot of top notch players, but an average of 6th? Again, that's a lot of hope of just flipping that switch and being competitive. There are very few teams in DIII that could transition into DI and be successful and St.A's is not even on the first page. AIC, Bently, Michigan Tech, and Sacred Heart I'm sure will greet you with open arms however.


And again, if it was that good, they would attract a few more decent players and not finish an average 6th in the league....


Again, see above. If its such a draw...........


.....and then you woke up.....did you choke on that steak?


Is that because you have your pick of seats with an average of only 18% capacity (476) since 2002?? Place much be rocking!!

Penn State from Club to DI
RIT made the jump.
AIC and SHU play in public rinks
Canisus uses Buff State's rink
Alabama...well enough said.

St As would be able to compete with anyone for recruits once they went DI. They got their first Canadian league player this year and could get more of them as well as local DI talent if they make the move. I would predict them to be a .400 - .500 team their first few years after the jump.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

To continue this discussion last season St. A's defeated Fedonia 4-2 and tied Buffalo State on the road (how many miles is it from Manchester to Buffalo). I would say they already are a mid level SUNY team talent wise and a move to D3 with a few more A type players should make they very good. But they have already proved they can compete with SUNY level teams. Just my opinion but a consider Ed Seney a very good D2/D3 coach.

Cortland beat Utica...they must be the best team EVER. You cant go by 1 year. The overall average is StAs is on average a 6th place ECAC East team with and average 26th overall attendance. Far cry from a top DIII team.