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RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

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Ralph Baer said:
According to numbers that I, hopefully correctly, copied from Kurt Stutt's website, in a total of 1959 games starting in 1901-2, RPI's record is 979-866-114 for a .529 winning percentage. I predict that we will reach 1000 wins next season. (I do tend to be optimistic in the off-season. :) )
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Ralph,if you counted wrong we both did, as i have kept tally since 2 seasons ago and have the exact same numbers as you.
 
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rjohntute said:
So... does anyone else think Seth cried himself to sleep last night? Given how in one year the team down the road has accomplished 10 times more than what we have in his entire tenure? I do. I almost did. Good for the league and all but it still stings.
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A few comments on this thread leave me with the impression that RPI fans have completely ignored what has been happening at the other end of #7 for years. Union's success is far from an overnight miracle. Nate Leaman methodically built that team with solid coaching year after year, without scholarships or high profile recruits, and in the process developed his successor to take over as head coach. There seems to be a lot of discussion on this thread about two aspects of the coach's job: recruiting and game management. Both important, but less important than the skills training that takes place day in and day out at practices. When players come to the NCAA they are still developing, and even good recruits take you nowhere if you can't develop them during their four years. Union has done an outstanding job of that for years, and now they are at the point where it will also pay dividends in their future recruiting efforts. Anyone want to bet that we see Providence in the final four withing a few years?
 
hab said:
A few comments on this thread leave me with the impression that RPI fans have completely ignored what has been happening at the other end of #7 for years. Union's success is far from an overnight miracle. Nate Leaman methodically built that team with solid coaching year after year, without scholarships or high profile recruits, and in the process developed his successor to take over as head coach. There seems to be a lot of discussion on this thread about two aspects of the coach's job: recruiting and game management. Both important, but less important than the skills training that takes place day in and day out at practices. When players come to the NCAA they are still developing, and even good recruits take you nowhere if you can't develop them during their four years. Union has done an outstanding job of that for years, and now they are at the point where it will also pay dividends in their future recruiting efforts. Anyone want to bet that we see Providence in the final four withing a few years?
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It sounds like you might be questioning what it is we do in practice? I have wondered the same thing for years. Especially when our pp has not been good since SA came on board other than Pirri and D'Amigo year. Changing lines all the time probably doesn't help either. Perhaps SA needs a better support staff.
 
hab said:
A few comments on this thread leave me with the impression that RPI fans have completely ignored what has been happening at the other end of #7 for years. Union's success is far from an overnight miracle. Nate Leaman methodically built that team with solid coaching year after year, without scholarships or high profile recruits, and in the process developed his successor to take over as head coach. There seems to be a lot of discussion on this thread about two aspects of the coach's job: recruiting and game management. Both important, but less important than the skills training that takes place day in and day out at practices. When players come to the NCAA they are still developing, and even good recruits take you nowhere if you can't develop them during their four years. Union has done an outstanding job of that for years, and now they are at the point where it will also pay dividends in their future recruiting efforts. Anyone want to bet that we see Providence in the final four withing a few years?
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Well said!
 
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WillOutDrinkYou said:
It sounds like you might be questioning what it is we do in practice? I have wondered the same thing for years. Especially when our pp has not been good since SA came on board other than Pirri and D'Amigo year. Changing lines all the time probably doesn't help either. Perhaps SA needs a better support staff.
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I enjoy watching a good hockey practice, almost as much as I enjoy watching games, and have taken lots of opportunities to sit in on practices at various levels over the years. I have never seen an Engineers practice and my post was not intended as a comment one way or the other on the RPI coaching. I did have an opportunity to watch one of Leaman's practices at Union a few years ago and it still sticks in my mind as one of the most impressive I have ever seen.
 
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johnk said:
Respectfully disagree. The old Union might have played the trap but this version plays a good hard nosed, solid forecheck, in your face brand of hockey with very good special teams. You don't badly outshoot and outplay both opponents in the NCAA's by playing the trap. And Troyboy, I understand what you are saying about the SOG total but the difference is Cornell has plenty of games where the SOG are 22-18 types. Union had over 70 SOG in their 2 NCAA games.
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I agree they put a lot of pucks to the net but my point was they play what I'll call a zone defense (won't call it a trap anymore) and they make it very hard to gain the offensive zone w/any flow then they kinda pack it in and block a lot of shots out front,on offense they are an amazing passing team one of the best i've ever seen they pass and recieve the puck in traffic unbelievable that is why the PP is so good most of the time they run the PP from the goal line out instead of the blue line in.They play what I would call a Princeton offense(under Godowsky)which is shoot shoot shoot and a Cornell type of Defense which is predicated on positional play as opposed to maning up .It has to say the least worked very well for them.Like I said I will not be rooting for or against them but I do respect what they have accomplished and wish them luck.Just a side note how is it that Jeremy Welsh wasn't even mentioned in The Hobey Baker if anyone in college has a better overall game than his I would like to see it !!!!!!!!!
 
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Today is 28 March 2012. There are 192 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 6 October for the start of next season.

That is the day that an exhibition game is supposedly scheduled.
 
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NYhockeyguy said:
Ralph,if you counted wrong we both did, as i have kept tally since 2 seasons ago and have the exact same numbers as you.
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Good to hear that. I created a spreadsheet several years with that information and some other stuff like goals for and against and update it once a year. I suppose that Kurt could have made a mistake or his source(s) could have been wrong, but most likely it is correct.

As to getting 21 wins this season, clearly we have not had that many wins too often, either recently or in the past, but it isn't outside of the realm of possiblity. A year ago, I knew that we needed 33 wins, but I wasn't that optimistic. :D
 
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hab said:
I enjoy watching a good hockey practice, almost as much as I enjoy watching games, and have taken lots of opportunities to sit in on practices at various levels over the years. I have never seen an Engineers practice and my post was not intended as a comment one way or the other on the RPI coaching. I did have an opportunity to watch one of Leaman's practices at Union a few years ago and it still sticks in my mind as one of the most impressive I have ever seen.
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What impressed you about Leaman's practice?
 
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WillOutDrinkYou said:
It sounds like you might be questioning what it is we do in practice? I have wondered the same thing for years. .... Perhaps SA needs a better support staff.
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I have wondered about this as well.....you can sometimes tell how effective practices are by watching the skills of individual players develop over the course of a season.

One of the reasons I enjoy following UConn women's basketball is that you can see that improvement yourself if you know how and where to look. Last year they had a first-year student at starting center, and you could see the change in her footwork, court positioning, even her conditioning, over the course of the season (and this year she's taken it up another notch as well, which also is noticeable). Also you can observe the Associate Head Coach during a game taking an individual player aside and discussing a technical aspect of her game right then and there, and see the change in her play right away when she is substituted back into the game.

Unfortunately, I can't watch RPI hockey that closely throughout the season, and so I have to rely on others to comment on what they have observed.

From what I did see of this year's Rensselaer men's ice hockey team, it seemed to me that, early in the season, we passed to another player too often when we "should have been" passing the puck to the spot on the ice toward which the other player was moving. I did not see enough games throughout the whole season to notice if this tendency changed or remained static.
 
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Guess who is starting in net tonight for the Columbus Blue Jackets?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Steve Mason?

This is where Ralph typically bites, but I'll be nice: We are one of few schools that regularly updates an alumni thread, and is where we update news on those that no longer play for the 'tute. ;) For now, you'll find it here: http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?94357-RPI-Pros-IV
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I have tried to stop doing that on this thread, although I will do it on the recruit thread. :)
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
No guarantees they'll get in. Can they get over the Title IX hurdle and offer the scholarships? I don't see them pulling a Union anytime soon.
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If they don't offer the scholarships (or say that they will be offering scholarships very soon, aka showing a firm commitment), then they won't be admitted.

That's a position that's been made every time Bertagna speaks and is also a prominent feeling shown by Whitehead in the Bangor article from a week and a half ago (but that also said that the HEA may go to a 2-division, 27-game setup once they add a 12th team, so...).
 
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