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RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

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redhead18 said:
With the recent success of the Ivys and now with a surging Union program, im starting to wonder if there is some kind of advantage playing without athletic scholarships in the ECAC... If you look back, only 2 of the last 10 regular season champions were using the full 18 (SLU-07,CCT-08) and just 1 of the last 10 tournament champions used the full amount (CCT-07). Maybe its just a coinsidence but its sure starting to look like it makes a difference. Perhaps the schools that cant use athletic scholarships are getting the older, more mature players, compared to the younger players you usually pick up using a scholarship and thats where the difference is?
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I think that more players or their families have decided that an Ivy degree has added value in the job market. Also, in the past only Cornell and Harvard seem paid attention to their hockey teams, and that has been changing. IMHO, Union is an anomaly. :p
 
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AspyDad said:
It's still the trap ... it's ruining hockey. If they make it to the final, BC will blow their doors off. My hats off to them though...maybe this winning will make them want to upgrade the dump in the Electric City or at least add a urinal or two.
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Respectfully disagree. The old Union might have played the trap but this version plays a good hard nosed, solid forecheck, in your face brand of hockey with very good special teams. You don't badly outshoot and outplay both opponents in the NCAA's by playing the trap. And Troyboy, I understand what you are saying about the SOG total but the difference is Cornell has plenty of games where the SOG are 22-18 types. Union had over 70 SOG in their 2 NCAA games.
 
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johnk said:
Respectfully disagree. The old Union might have played the trap but this version plays a good hard nosed, solid forecheck, in your face brand of hockey with very good special teams. You don't badly outshoot and outplay both opponents in the NCAA's by playing the trap. And Troyboy, I understand what you are saying about the SOG total but the difference is Cornell has plenty of games where the SOG are 22-18 types. Union had over 70 SOG in their 2 NCAA games.
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Here's a thought: Are they adapting their play to their opponent's weakness? Perhaps they played the trap against us because they know it works, but play a different style against another team. As much as I hate the trap, is there any situation in which it would be beneficial for us to use?

We could certainly try for OOC rankings similar to that in 2010-11, but we're going to have to learn how to beat the trap if we want to be successful.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Here's a thought: Are they adapting their play to their opponent's weakness? Perhaps they played the trap against us because they know it works, but play a different style against another team. As much as I hate the trap, is there any situation in which it would be beneficial for us to use?

We could certainly try for OOC rankings similar to that in 2010-11, but we're going to have to learn how to beat the trap if we want to be successful.
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Now you are thinking like a coach. They are paid to win and they should adapt their style of play to their opponents.
Of course, you need the type of player that can adapt in order to do that.
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
Now you are thinking like a coach. They are paid to win and they should adapt their style of play to their opponents.
Of course, you need the type of player that can adapt in order to do that.
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Or, to paraphrase a few of Coach's words, perhaps the process that is used by the team needs to include several different sub-processes that allow for this sort of adaptability. There is some banking that the team needs to be mature enough to know which sub-process to use at what time. Also, as much as the team's process needs to be rigid, it must be flexible enough to switch between different sub-processes mid-game.

Now, what the heck was all that I typed? -_- ;)
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
Now you are thinking like a coach. They are paid to win and they should adapt their style of play to their opponents.
Of course, you need the type of player that can adapt in order to do that.
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Exactly..it is knowing what you have skill wise and what scheme will work.. The rest is training, discipline, motivation, trust and game management. Some of us call that coaching. The best coaches can achieve success with average players by properly stimulating them to play as a team within a system designed to minimizes their defects. That system will vary, within parameters, based on the opponent you play. Less effective coaches will select a system and try jamming pieces into it. RPI should offer him a few hundred thousand to make the move. He has a very sunny future
 
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blocker said:
Exactly..it is knowing what you have skill wise and what scheme will work.. The rest is training, discipline, motivation, trust and game management. Some of us call that coaching. The best coaches can achieve success with average players by properly stimulating them to play as a team within a system designed to minimizes their defects. That system will vary, within parameters, based on the opponent you play. Less effective coaches will select a system and try jamming pieces into it. RPI should offer him a few hundred thousand to make the move. He has a very sunny future
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Run those last two sentences by me again? I have no idea what you're talking aboot. :confused:
 
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I asked a while ago if anyone knows when the team banquet (or luncheon, whatever) when the team awards are given is to be held. Does anyone know?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
We've already stooped to Clarkson's level this year (even if the team involved is in the FF), we're not stooping to Cornell's level.
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I get Cornell's level (stealing a coach). What is Clarkson's level?
 
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burgie12 said:
I get Cornell's level (stealing a coach). What is Clarkson's level?
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They're the only other team Union has swept in the playoffs (obviously taking out considerations for one-game series). Yes, I realize I'm talking about a team that has just made it to the Frozen Four.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
According to numbers that I, hopefully correctly, copied from Kurt Stutt's website, in a total of 1959 games starting in 1901-2, RPI's record is 979-866-114 for a .529 winning percentage. I predict that we will reach 1000 wins next season. (I do tend to be optimistic in the off-season. :) )
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I have followed our total wins for some time now-hoping we could have reached 1000 by this past year or sooner. I am optimistic about next year, but then again that is how I feel every year. Would really like to see us hit that number soon so we can celebrate it.
 
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johnk said:
Respectfully disagree. The old Union might have played the trap but this version plays a good hard nosed, solid forecheck, in your face brand of hockey with very good special teams. You don't badly outshoot and outplay both opponents in the NCAA's by playing the trap. And Troyboy, I understand what you are saying about the SOG total but the difference is Cornell has plenty of games where the SOG are 22-18 types. Union had over 70 SOG in their 2 NCAA games.
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I can never agrue with someone who gives me 18 year old Jameson.
 
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