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RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
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Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
I've read this post 4 or 5 times now-and I still can't find anything to disagree with. Either it makes a lot of sense, or the valium has finally kicked in.
I've read this post 4 or 5 times now-and I still can't find anything to disagree with. Either it makes a lot of sense, or the valium has finally kicked in.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
The same place as Q-Pac.
The same place as Q-Pac.
giwan
Really??!!
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
Well how about two conferences, so you get two auto bids instead of one out of 16
I've read this post 4 or 5 times now-and I still can't find anything to disagree with. Either it makes a lot of sense, or the valium has finally kicked in.
Well how about two conferences, so you get two auto bids instead of one out of 16
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
I was reading the poll regarding where will notre dame land. Within one of the posts is a link to an article regarding what will WM do. The story indicates they will likely follow ND.That got me thinking bad thoughts. What If ND & WM go to hockey east and then Appert goes after the WM job. We would lose our coach and our chance to better our selves. Ouch.
I was reading the poll regarding where will notre dame land. Within one of the posts is a link to an article regarding what will WM do. The story indicates they will likely follow ND.That got me thinking bad thoughts. What If ND & WM go to hockey east and then Appert goes after the WM job. We would lose our coach and our chance to better our selves. Ouch.
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
I agree with some of this, but I return to the question of "what are we trying to accomplish?"
In my mind, the ultimate goal is to win another national title. In order to do that, we will necessarily have to be able to beat top tier teams, which includes the BU's and BC's of the world. I agree that continuing in the ECAC will give us more cracks at the NCAA tournament, and that once there we will have a shot to steal some games to advance in the tournament. However, based on recent history, solid ECAC teams have fallen well short of their NCAA expectations. Even with solid non-conference play, our teams are insufficiently prepared to deal with the heavy hitters in the tourney.
Joining HE will certainly be challenging. We will have to fight throughout the season to keep afloat in the standings, and it will be tougher to get a tourney bid. But in those years when we survive the HE buzzsaw (including late in the season when it matters most), we will enter the tourney prepared to make a dent. Recruitment-wise, you are right, we will still likely hang on to many of our strict admissions standards, which will hurt us. Fact of the matter is that we already compete against HE schools in the recruiment battle, and the HE name will only help our case.
UVM is an interesting example. They have had a tough road in Hockey East, but look at the results. In 2008 they played in the HE tourney finals. They made the Frozen Four in 2009 despite only finishing tied for 3rd in the regular season, and getting knocked out of the HE quarterfinals. I have to think that running the HE gauntlet prepared them well for making that tourney run.
I am sure that Appert and the AD understand the rapidly evolving landscape, and are doing everything in their power to stay on the right side of the tidal wave. We also know that SAJ and the administration are going to fight very hard to hold on to those Institutional Ivy league ties. Whatever happens, I hope that we end up with the "haves" when the smoke clears. For me, that means joining Hockey East if the opportunity presents itself.
I agree with some of this, but I return to the question of "what are we trying to accomplish?"
In my mind, the ultimate goal is to win another national title. In order to do that, we will necessarily have to be able to beat top tier teams, which includes the BU's and BC's of the world. I agree that continuing in the ECAC will give us more cracks at the NCAA tournament, and that once there we will have a shot to steal some games to advance in the tournament. However, based on recent history, solid ECAC teams have fallen well short of their NCAA expectations. Even with solid non-conference play, our teams are insufficiently prepared to deal with the heavy hitters in the tourney.
Joining HE will certainly be challenging. We will have to fight throughout the season to keep afloat in the standings, and it will be tougher to get a tourney bid. But in those years when we survive the HE buzzsaw (including late in the season when it matters most), we will enter the tourney prepared to make a dent. Recruitment-wise, you are right, we will still likely hang on to many of our strict admissions standards, which will hurt us. Fact of the matter is that we already compete against HE schools in the recruiment battle, and the HE name will only help our case.
UVM is an interesting example. They have had a tough road in Hockey East, but look at the results. In 2008 they played in the HE tourney finals. They made the Frozen Four in 2009 despite only finishing tied for 3rd in the regular season, and getting knocked out of the HE quarterfinals. I have to think that running the HE gauntlet prepared them well for making that tourney run.
I am sure that Appert and the AD understand the rapidly evolving landscape, and are doing everything in their power to stay on the right side of the tidal wave. We also know that SAJ and the administration are going to fight very hard to hold on to those Institutional Ivy league ties. Whatever happens, I hope that we end up with the "haves" when the smoke clears. For me, that means joining Hockey East if the opportunity presents itself.
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Without having read the article, the emphasis being put on WMU in this whole ordeal is confusing to me. Until last season, WMU was mostly inconsequential. They had a good season mostly due to an excellent coach (who is now gone). Outside of them being an FBS school and being geographically close to South Bend, what do they bring to the table? A doormat within the superleague footprint might have some appeal if ND moves west, but I see little incentive for Hockey East to add a western team that is not Miami (which is a moot point now) or Notre Dame. As for WMU poaching our coach....I guess that all depends on where WMU lands, and what kind of offer they are able to make. I will choose to remain confident that Appert will stick with RPI for a while longer.
Without having read the article, the emphasis being put on WMU in this whole ordeal is confusing to me. Until last season, WMU was mostly inconsequential. They had a good season mostly due to an excellent coach (who is now gone). Outside of them being an FBS school and being geographically close to South Bend, what do they bring to the table? A doormat within the superleague footprint might have some appeal if ND moves west, but I see little incentive for Hockey East to add a western team that is not Miami (which is a moot point now) or Notre Dame. As for WMU poaching our coach....I guess that all depends on where WMU lands, and what kind of offer they are able to make. I will choose to remain confident that Appert will stick with RPI for a while longer.
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
I must presume that Blashill did a one and out because he saw the hand writing on the wall of where WMU was going to end up in this fuster cluck and got out when the getting was good.
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
I presumed that he saw that he was getting offered a job by the Detroit f-ing Red Wings.
I presumed that he saw that he was getting offered a job by the Detroit f-ing Red Wings.
Wicked Slappaahs
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Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
So we can move to HE and be a smaller fish in a bigger pond? Admissions? ...I guess you're ingnoring that one....How about if Seth leaves in 2 yrs. for a cherry job in the BTC or the new western super conference?
So we can move to HE and be a smaller fish in a bigger pond? Admissions? ...I guess you're ingnoring that one....How about if Seth leaves in 2 yrs. for a cherry job in the BTC or the new western super conference?
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
What Red Cloud said... Regardless of the reason why their coach left, people are far too concerned with where WMU fits into this puzzle. All I know is that if WMU ends up in Hockey East, I will be astonished. I can think of numerous other schools that would be a far better fit for a 12th team in HE. (RPI being near the top of that list). If Notre Dame decides to go superleague, WMU's decision doesn't impact us much at all.
What Red Cloud said... Regardless of the reason why their coach left, people are far too concerned with where WMU fits into this puzzle. All I know is that if WMU ends up in Hockey East, I will be astonished. I can think of numerous other schools that would be a far better fit for a 12th team in HE. (RPI being near the top of that list). If Notre Dame decides to go superleague, WMU's decision doesn't impact us much at all.
giwan
Really??!!
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
No way WMU goes East, and they are not linked to ND. In fact the only reason I can see the new BH league would want WMU is to be the whipping boy. One good year does not make for consistency.
No way WMU goes East, and they are not linked to ND. In fact the only reason I can see the new BH league would want WMU is to be the whipping boy. One good year does not make for consistency.
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
Absolutely. That was my original comment. (see post #930)
Absolutely. That was my original comment. (see post #930)
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
Today is 11 July 2011. There are 82 days until RPI's next game.
This is based upon 1 October for the start of next season.
Today is 11 July 2011. There are 82 days until RPI's next game.
This is based upon 1 October for the start of next season.
Don't forget his other teammate, who chose Oxford.
Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right
Actually they could be in instead of Niagara but then the travel partner for ND gets tougher. Colgate probably is a better travel partner in terms of athletic pedigree for ND, but the distance is just too far. Sucking in Miami instead of Niagara would be a great coup but it seems we're too late for that.
In the end, I couldn't find a place for Union without losing Colgate so I went with the school with more D1 history. Since Union doesn't offer scholarships, they might not be a good fit for an expanded Hockey (North)East. I think a more reasonable question is where is Quinnipiac at. No solution for them in a 16 team HE. could go to 18 teams and pull in both Q and U, that brings in conference games to 25 though.
In Schenectady.
Actually they could be in instead of Niagara but then the travel partner for ND gets tougher. Colgate probably is a better travel partner in terms of athletic pedigree for ND, but the distance is just too far. Sucking in Miami instead of Niagara would be a great coup but it seems we're too late for that.
In the end, I couldn't find a place for Union without losing Colgate so I went with the school with more D1 history. Since Union doesn't offer scholarships, they might not be a good fit for an expanded Hockey (North)East. I think a more reasonable question is where is Quinnipiac at. No solution for them in a 16 team HE. could go to 18 teams and pull in both Q and U, that brings in conference games to 25 though.
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Who's to say Hockey East wants to expand at all?
Considering that the "Big Ten" will be considered a superconference with six members and the "un-WCHA" will also be considered a superconference with six members, maybe Hockey East will choose to contract, rather than expand.
The new six-team Super Hockey East could consist of the three Boston schools, Maine, UNH, and one other from UVM, UMass-Amherst, UMass-Lowell, Merrimack, and Providence.
My guess is they'd keep Providence, in recognition of the Friars' historic achievement of being the first school ever to appear in the national championship game under the Hockey East banner (though, as I recall, when they got to that game, they ran into a team that was a little too much for them to handle
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Who's to say Hockey East wants to expand at all?
Considering that the "Big Ten" will be considered a superconference with six members and the "un-WCHA" will also be considered a superconference with six members, maybe Hockey East will choose to contract, rather than expand.
The new six-team Super Hockey East could consist of the three Boston schools, Maine, UNH, and one other from UVM, UMass-Amherst, UMass-Lowell, Merrimack, and Providence.
My guess is they'd keep Providence, in recognition of the Friars' historic achievement of being the first school ever to appear in the national championship game under the Hockey East banner (though, as I recall, when they got to that game, they ran into a team that was a little too much for them to handle
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