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RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part II: The Bryce is Right

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redhead18 said:
If im not mistaken, I believe that is one of the big reasons why they are looking to add 2 more schools to the conference, so they can reduce conference games to 22. The Boston based schools only get 5 non-conference games per season, since 2 of them are taken up with the Beanpot. Also, I think its likely HEA will look to get some kind of scheduling agreement with either the Big10 or the new conference to help fill in those extra games.
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That would be attractive, assuming it was at most 4 games. 22+4=26 which would leave 8 without exempt games. Since either of those leagues has 6 teams, 3 might be more likely than 4 since we would play half each year, but then the home and away wouldn't balance in any given year (not counting the probable imbalance due to ND).
 
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It seems to me that no matter what happens even if we don`t make any move the OOC schedule could be awsome. With all the bad blood in the west I think you will see teams that haven`t given us a sniff in years looking for games.Add to that SA is western connected. Should be some great OOC games in the near future.

With regards to some of the posts regarding SA and a possible move to HE. I would think that any move or decision to stay would be bigger than the coach at the given time. When you think about it the college presidents who no doubt have /had a big say in the matter past and present usually aren`t" lifers" at the school themselves . Personally I think the AD should be the person whose opinion is weighted the most.I hope they don`t go the "commitee" route because in academia that is the death knell for a timely decision by people who really have any hockey knowledge or interest in the sport. I wonder how many of the people on the 94 commitee even go to games anymore ? I also don`t think the school will have months and months to make its decision. It seems very possible to me that within the next five years the non ivy non "Super league" teams will be pushed out of the big picture completely.
 
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If we get an offer to go to HE we must take it. Bottom line we could be like St. Cloud, Western Michigan (just lost Coach..why??? is ) on the outside looking in. Things are changing and changing fast. Let's remember that our great coach is head of the Coaches Assn and knows the landscape. Look Keith "Mr. Bronze medal" Allain looking at the Northeastern job. Do you think he knows that the ECAC is about to become more of a substandard league than it already is? You can point to when Bob Duquette sabotaged efforts to go to HE as a demarcation point for the program going into decline. Do you think Buddy Powers would have cut bait and switch to BG if he was in the HE (BTW-Asst Coach for Capt Jack at BU)? Saddle up gentlemen for tonight we ride!!!!
 
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Re:RPI Off Season Thread 2011 Part Deux: Hockey East or bust!!!
 
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jstadts said:
WS, I agree that the top of HE would be a daunting task but to be brutally honest and not counting the championships won by the 85 team which was assembled prior to the HE split, RPI has had 1 league championship in the past 25 years playing the role of ivy league wannabe. With regards to recruiting, I feel we are already recruiting against them . I think one of the key questions that would have to be answered by SA is how many talented players that could get admitted to RPI are we losing out on due to their desire to play in hockey east.
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Folks who think entering HE would be slam dunk move need to think long and hard about how they'd feel about the possibility of being middle of the pack in a league that is absolutely stacked with talent.

Does joining HE mean that the RPI Admissions Dept. is suddenly going to find religion and start admitting marginal kids? If not, then the RPI faithful best be prepared for several years of tough sledding in a very tough league. I guarantee you there are kids getting admitted to UNH, Maine, UVM and other HE schools that have zero shot of getting into RPI.

Take a hard look at UVM -- some excellent recruiting classes, favorable admissions, beautiful campus -- but they are still slugging it out in HE. Sneddon's record at UVM the last two seasons: 25-35-15.

As long as folks are considering this reality, then press on if you must.
 
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AspyDad said:
If we get an offer to go to HE we must take it. Bottom line we could be like St. Cloud, Western Michigan (just lost Coach..why??? is ) on the outside looking in. Things are changing and changing fast. Let's remember that our great coach is head of the Coaches Assn and knows the landscape. Look Keith "Mr. Bronze medal" Allain looking at the Northeastern job. Do you think he knows that the ECAC is about to become more of a substandard league than it already is? You can point to when Bob Duquette sabotaged efforts to go to HE as a demarcation point for the program going into decline. Do you think Buddy Powers would have cut bait and switch to BG if he was in the HE (BTW-Asst Coach for Capt Jack at BU)? Saddle up gentlemen for tonight we ride!!!!
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Other than a few message board rumors I've seen nothing to substantiate Allain to Northeastern as a realistic possibility. It could happen, but given that Yale is his alma mater I'll believe it when I see it.

As for whether Powers would have jumped ship if we were in Hockey East, I think it would probably still have happened. If my memory serves me correctly, he had two rings from his stint as an assistant for Bowling Green - a national championship ring and a wedding ring. He had extensive professional and family ties to BGSU and it was probably a more attractive job for him than just about any short of his alma mater and a handful of other big time positions.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
Folks who think entering HE would be slam dunk move need to think long and hard about how they'd feel about the possibility of being middle of the pack in a league that is absolutely stacked with talent.

Does joining HE mean that the RPI Admissions Dept. is suddenly going to find religion and start admitting marginal kids? If not, then the RPI faithful best be prepared for several years of tough sledding in a very tough league. I guarantee you there are kids getting admitted to UNH, Maine, UVM and other HE schools that have zero shot of getting into RPI.

Take a hard look at UVM -- some excellent recruiting classes, favorable admissions, beautiful campus -- but they are still slugging it out in HE. Sneddon's record at UVM the last two seasons: 25-35-15.

As long as folks are considering this reality, then press on if you must.
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There is honestly no one's opinion on this board I respect more than yours WS...but quite honestly I can't figure out why(and Im reading between the lines here)you keep insisting we can't compete either recruiting or on the ice @ a higher level.We seem to do just fine when we play (up) out of conference...in fact it seems to suit our game a little better...I consider you a "Hockey Guy" and we all know Hockey Guys relish competition we look for the best team we can play lace um up and have at it ! ! ! SA can get us the players he's proven that.
 
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Today is 10 July 2011. There are 83 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 1 October for the start of next season.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
Folks who think entering HE would be slam dunk move need to think long and hard about how they'd feel about the possibility of being middle of the pack in a league that is absolutely stacked with talent.

Does joining HE mean that the RPI Admissions Dept. is suddenly going to find religion and start admitting marginal kids? If not, then the RPI faithful best be prepared for several years of tough sledding in a very tough league. I guarantee you there are kids getting admitted to UNH, Maine, UVM and other HE schools that have zero shot of getting into RPI.

Take a hard look at UVM -- some excellent recruiting classes, favorable admissions, beautiful campus -- but they are still slugging it out in HE. Sneddon's record at UVM the last two seasons: 25-35-15.

As long as folks are considering this reality, then press on if you must.
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Currently, we're middle of the pack in the ECAC. Although we're on the rise, that's where we currently are. Of course if we start dominating the ECAC, would we want to be the big fish in a small pond (similar to Air Force in the AHA)?

I'd think now is a great time to move, especially if we can play against a style of play that suits us much better than clutch-and-grab-and-dive.
 
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Re:RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part III: BIG BRO stars this fall as the Curadi Chop Kid
 
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rpi82 said:
Other than a few message board rumors I've seen nothing to substantiate Allain to Northeastern as a realistic possibility. It could happen, but given that Yale is his alma mater I'll believe it when I see it.

As for whether Powers would have jumped ship if we were in Hockey East, I think it would probably still have happened. If my memory serves me correctly, he had two rings from his stint as an assistant for Bowling Green - a national championship ring and a wedding ring. He had extensive professional and family ties to BGSU and it was probably a more attractive job for him than just about any short of his alma mater and a handful of other big time positions.
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Stop confusing me with facts
 
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WS, Like I said the top 4-5 in Hockey east would be a daunting task but that doesn`t mean it can`t be done. As far as admissions go you are no doubt correct that we won`t be able to recruit EVERYONE that some of the HE teams can but that is true now. There are players on RPI that couldn`t get into league rivals and league rivals have playes that couldn`t get into RPi. A few years ago their was a top rated forward from the capital district that got turned down from RPI and went straight to clarkson This type of admission stuff goes on every year. The question is how many talented players are we losing to the HE league that could get into RPI but because of HE being the marquee league in the recruits mind they chose the HE school. I really think regardless of what Notre Dame does the present time is a now or never moment for RPI. The league blow up out west has turned D1 hockey into a tier system like football and Hoops where league affiliation equates to how serious you are about winning beyond your own league.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Does anyone have a guess as to what the HEA schedule would be with 12 teams with ND and us added? They could go to a 22 game schedule, but not with travel partners since no one would match with ND. They might do a 22 game schedule but one year play both ND games away, and the next at home.

They could consider the league as 3 pods of 4 schools and play each school in the same pod an extra time (25 game schedule) or twice extra (28 games). Without looking a map perhaps the pods could be (Maine, UNH, Merrimack, UML), (BU, BC, NU, PC), and (RPI, ND, UMass, UVM).
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I've another suggestion: form a defacto ECAC of old. The Ivies wanted to leave in the early 80's, now it's time to leave them behind in the ECACHL. Expand Hockey East to 16 teams, and make two 8 team divisions, west and east. Play 2 games against your division and one against the other. That's 22 games.

The East teams would be today's Hockey East less UVM and UMASS

The West would be UVM, UMASS, RPI, Colgate, ND, Niagara, Clarkson and St. Lawrence, listed in order of travel partners. If the Niagara/ND pairing proves too difficult for travel then just make those games Friday/Sunday weekends.
 
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jmhusker said:
I've another suggestion: form a defacto ECAC of old. The Ivies wanted to leave in the early 80's, now it's time to leave them behind in the ECACHL. Expand Hockey East to 16 teams, and make two 8 team divisions, west and east. Play 2 games against your division and one against the other. That's 22 games.

The East teams would be today's Hockey East less UVM and UMASS

The West would be UVM, UMASS, RPI, Colgate, ND, Niagara, Clarkson and St. Lawrence, listed in order of travel partners. If the Niagara/ND pairing proves too difficult for travel then just make those games Friday/Sunday weekends.
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Sign me up !!!!!
 
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jmhusker said:
I've another suggestion: form a defacto ECAC of old. The Ivies wanted to leave in the early 80's, now it's time to leave them behind in the ECACHL. Expand Hockey East to 16 teams, and make two 8 team divisions, west and east. Play 2 games against your division and one against the other. That's 22 games.

The East teams would be today's Hockey East less UVM and UMASS

The West would be UVM, UMASS, RPI, Colgate, ND, Niagara, Clarkson and St. Lawrence, listed in order of travel partners. If the Niagara/ND pairing proves too difficult for travel then just make those games Friday/Sunday weekends.
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I like it, but I would make one change, swap out Niagara and replace them with Union.
 
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RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part III: H E or not H E? That is the question.

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RPI Off-Season Thread 2011 Part III: Do we really want to be associated with those clown colleges that produced the last four presidents? ;)
 
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