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RPI MMXI III: Overanalyzing The Iron Men and Other Uses of Internet Bandwidth

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I deserved that.

Well, you are one of the few posters on here that has been called out in his arena. Come to think of it, it'd be interesting if he did give you fair time to state your rebuttal and you two had a friendly debate. Not sure if I'd put it on the radio show if I were in those shoes, because he did call you out on his "Parting Schotts" blog.
 
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Garry Kearns '58 will be the newest inductee to the Ring of Honor, at the game against Cornell the afternoon of February 12th: http://rpiathletics.com/news/2011/1/4/MHOCK_0104115706.aspx

Should be interesting to see where they put the Ring of Honor with the recent renovations to the HFH.

Not having been around RPI hockey in 1958, I did not know anything about Mr. Kearns. In looking up whatever information I could find, he certainly had a productive career in Troy.
At the same time, I ran accross a teammate of his, Paul Midghall, who had more goals, assists and points during the same years.
I am not trying to start any kind of arguement, but what is the criteria for being named to the "Ring"?
 
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Not having been around RPI hockey in 1958, I did not know anything about Mr. Kearns. In looking up whatever information I could find, he certainly had a productive career in Troy.
At the same time, I ran accross a teammate of his, Paul Midghall, who had more goals, assists and points during the same years.
I am not trying to start any kind of arguement, but what is the criteria for being named to the "Ring"?

Well, he did coach the team in the 60's-but I doubt his record from 1965-66 would get him into the Ring.:confused:
 
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Not having been around RPI hockey in 1958, I did not know anything about Mr. Kearns. In looking up whatever information I could find, he certainly had a productive career in Troy.
At the same time, I ran accross a teammate of his, Paul Midghall, who had more goals, assists and points during the same years.
I am not trying to start any kind of arguement, but what is the criteria for being named to the "Ring"?

I never saw either play, except for in alumni games, but I think that the choice of Kearns was based on his total contribution to RPI as a player, a coach, and an alum, as it says here http://www.rpiathletics.com/news/2011/1/4/MHOCK_0104115706.aspx. BTW, Midghall was a play-by-play announcer while I was in Troy. (WPTR or WGY, I can't recall.)
 
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I never saw either play, except for in alumni games, but I think that the choice of Kearns was based on his total contribution to RPI as a player, a coach, and an alum, as it says here http://www.rpiathletics.com/news/2011/1/4/MHOCK_0104115706.aspx. BTW, Midghall was a play-by-play announcer while I was in Troy. (WPTR or WGY, I can't recall.)

I have to believe that you are right. He was not just a very good player, but it seems he has spent much of his life as part of the RPI family. More of a lifetime acheivement award.
Congratualtions to Mr. Kearns.
The game at which he will be recognized will be televised on the NHL network. I wonder if he will get some national recognition as well.
 
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Well, you are one of the few posters on here that has been called out in his arena. Come to think of it, it'd be interesting if he did give you fair time to state your rebuttal and you two had a friendly debate. Not sure if I'd put it on the radio show if I were in those shoes, because he did call you out on his "Parting Schotts" blog.

Not that he needs it but was just defending our great coach. BTW- I believe that SA should be the next coach of the US Junior team. He would be perfect for it.
 
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With regard to Kearnsy thing. I think he more than deserves the honor. Only Player that became Coach (I think). Garry is a Pillar of the community. All in all a great man. Again, SA showing homage to the history of the program. Shows what class coach has. As a side note Garry has built alot of affordable senior housing.
 
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Not sure and I will stand corrected if wrong....but I think he was an All American
 
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"Garry Kearns, a five-foot-two forward for the Engineers in the late 1950s, left his architecture practice in the Capital District to return to his alma mater as the head coach. Bjorkman had left the team in shambles with a poor recruiting effort, and for Kearns' first three years, the team was rather uncompetitive in the ECAC. This led to discussions that the team should drop to a lower classification in order to avoid embarassment. Kearns, however, lobbied to keep the team playing at the highest levels. He began to recruit heavily in Ontario, and when the Engineers' Doug Hearns scored on the legendary Ken Dryden in overtime to defeat Harkness and his high-flying Cornell team to kick off the 1968-69 ECAC season, talk of dropping classification ceased. By the end of Kearns' tenure in 1969, he had returned the team to respectability. Kearns' win-loss record is among the worst among Rensselaer's head coaches, but his role in leading the program through the most difficult period in its post-war history was important. He remains the only post-war coach to have attended the Institute."

Source - http://icehockey.wikia.com/wiki/Rensselaer_Engineers
 
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Not sure and I will stand corrected if wrong....but I think he was an All American

I came to RPI a bit late to ever see him play but his reputation was for a really smaller player-he had a pretty mean streak on the ice and played the game full out and rough and tough.
 
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I was told recently that our request has been turned down by the athletics department. It looks like people who normally go to games but will be home for vacation will have very few options. I know that I can not recommend any body spending $7 on the very poor service that B2/A1 provides, especially knowing that we could be doing it for free at much higher quality.

Again, we encourage everybody to send an email to Kevin Beattie <beattk@rpi.edu> and Jim Knowlton <knowlj3@rpi.edu> (and feel free to CC or BCC rpitv@union.rpi.edu) and express your thoughts on the low quality service that B2 provides, and how RPI TV is unable to offer our stream. I would like to think that if they receive enough complains and comments that they would be willing to put some effort into modifying or dropping the contract with B2 (which they are legally able to do, I checked with institute legal). The more, the better!
 
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Any word on Scott Halpern's injury?
 
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I was told recently that our request has been turned down by the athletics department. It looks like people who normally go to games but will be home for vacation will have very few options. I know that I can not recommend any body spending $7 on the very poor service that B2/A1 provides, especially knowing that we could be doing it for free at much higher quality.

Again, we encourage everybody to send an email to Kevin Beattie <beattk@rpi.edu> and Jim Knowlton <knowlj3@rpi.edu> (and feel free to CC or BCC rpitv@union.rpi.edu) and express your thoughts on the low quality service that B2 provides, and how RPI TV is unable to offer our stream. I would like to think that if they receive enough complains and comments that they would be willing to put some effort into modifying or dropping the contract with B2 (which they are legally able to do, I checked with institute legal). The more, the better!


Maybe we should point out that on RPIAthletics.com they mention in the article- Mens Hockey Cracks Top 10- that this weekends games will be done in conjunction with B2 and RPI-TV.
 
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Maybe we should point out that on RPIAthletics.com they mention in the article- Mens Hockey Cracks Top 10- that this weekends games will be done in conjunction with B2 and RPI-TV.

Ahh, this is where it becomes a sticky situation. We have, for a while now, provided b2 with a copy of our feed. When we are at games, we have a full production crew, usually 10 to 15 people (this weekend we will be lucky to get 7 or 8, and even then some of us are driving 3.5 hours to be there), where as B2 shipped RPI a computer and some instructions on how to plug it in to the wall.

For a lot of the mens home games what you see on B2 is actually RPI TV. When RPI Athletics signed the first contract, RPI TV had no means of streaming ourselves, and we were happy to work with them as it was really the only option for us or athletics. One thing to note is that it only covered Men's Hockey and football. To the best of our knowledge, it did not contain anything that made it exclusive either.

The original contract was for three years, and expired in 2009, at which point they penned a new contract that covered all sports ("RPI Athletics to offer extended coverage") and did contain an 'exclusivity clause.' The real kicker is that they never discussed this with us before they signed it, even though we had just gotten several thousand dollars in funding to setup our own streaming solution.

After a bit of, perhaps 'heavy handed finagling' I was able to meet with 'somebody' from RPI Legal Counsel and get a review of the contract with the goal of getting it modified or rewritten to remove the exclusivity granted to b2. The contract does allow for this, for both an exception, or for RPI to decide to cancel it at any time it would be 'convenient' for them to. The stumbling block we have run into with them though is that they seem, for an unknown reason, to 'really love B2 and the service they provide,' and are not willing to push B2 for an exception for us. I do think that having a partnership with B2 is good, as it enabled them to cover games that we are unable to be at (even though with a bit of up front work and investment, we could provide a better solution at higher quality with less work for them for games we can't have our crew at). But for the games that we are there, which are usually the games that are the most popular and in demand, we are not able to provide our superior and cheaper streaming solution. I think they are under the impression that everybody is super happy with the service the B2 provides, and they are unwilling to jeopardize that. I think if they knew how disappointed most fans actually are, they would reconsider pushing for contract modification.

We have continued to provide the feed that we put tremendous effort into to B2 because, even though the compression quality and streaming is very poor, it is still far superior to what it would be as just a single coaches camera. We do this as it is in the best interest of fans, even though we are under no obligation to.

So there you have it. That is the whole B2(/A1) issue in a nut shell (I am not longer an officer of RPITV, therefore my views do not officially represent the views of RPI TV as a whole...aka I can say what I want :-)).

Any other questions, feel free to ask :-).

So, feel free to send your comments to Kevin Beattie and Jim Knowlton (emails available at http://www.rpiathletics.com/staff.aspx? also feel free to CC or BCC rpitv@union.rpi.edu and mackek2@rpi.edu as I don't get rpitv emails anymore..). Tell them how poor quality b2 is. Let them know how often the stream cuts out, or audio isn't working. Tell them you wish it were easy to watch it on linux. Heck, tell them you wish it was easy to watch with any computer. Tell them you would like to see a solution where you could easily watch it on your tv without a computer (I have a solution that would only require a tiny little $60 box). Tell them you would like to watch it from your smart phone, or ipad or other devices. Tell them you think RPI TV can do a better job, and that you would rather send your money to us and athletics instead of b2.
 
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Ahh, this is where it becomes a sticky situation. We have, for a while now, provided b2 with a copy of our feed. When we are at games, we have a full production crew, usually 10 to 15 people (this weekend we will be lucky to get 7 or 8, and even then some of us are driving 3.5 hours to be there), where as B2 shipped RPI a computer and some instructions on how to plug it in to the wall.

For a lot of the mens home games what you see on B2 is actually RPI TV. When RPI Athletics signed the first contract, RPI TV had no means of streaming ourselves, and we were happy to work with them as it was really the only option for us or athletics. One thing to note is that it only covered Men's Hockey and football. To the best of our knowledge, it did not contain anything that made it exclusive either.

The original contract was for three years, and expired in 2009, at which point they penned a new contract that covered all sports ("RPI Athletics to offer extended coverage") and did contain an 'exclusivity clause.' The real kicker is that they never discussed this with us before they signed it, even though we had just gotten several thousand dollars in funding to setup our own streaming solution.

After a bit of, perhaps 'heavy handed finagling' I was able to meet with 'somebody' from RPI Legal Counsel and get a review of the contract with the goal of getting it modified or rewritten to remove the exclusivity granted to b2. The contract does allow for this, for both an exception, or for RPI to decide to cancel it at any time it would be 'convenient' for them to. The stumbling block we have run into with them though is that they seem, for an unknown reason, to 'really love B2 and the service they provide,' and are not willing to push B2 for an exception for us. I do think that having a partnership with B2 is good, as it enabled them to cover games that we are unable to be at (even though with a bit of up front work and investment, we could provide a better solution at higher quality with less work for them for games we can't have our crew at). But for the games that we are there, which are usually the games that are the most popular and in demand, we are not able to provide our superior and cheaper streaming solution. I think they are under the impression that everybody is super happy with the service the B2 provides, and they are unwilling to jeopardize that. I think if they knew how disappointed most fans actually are, they would reconsider pushing for contract modification.

We have continued to provide the feed that we put tremendous effort into to B2 because, even though the compression quality and streaming is very poor, it is still far superior to what it would be as just a single coaches camera. We do this as it is in the best interest of fans, even though we are under no obligation to.

So there you have it. That is the whole B2(/A1) issue in a nut shell (I am not longer an officer of RPITV, therefore my views do not officially represent the views of RPI TV as a whole...aka I can say what I want :-)).

Any other questions, feel free to ask :-).

So, feel free to send your comments to Kevin Beattie and Jim Knowlton (emails available at http://www.rpiathletics.com/staff.aspx? also feel free to CC or BCC rpitv@union.rpi.edu and mackek2@rpi.edu as I don't get rpitv emails anymore..). Tell them how poor quality b2 is. Let them know how often the stream cuts out, or audio isn't working. Tell them you wish it were easy to watch it on linux. Heck, tell them you wish it was easy to watch with any computer. Tell them you would like to see a solution where you could easily watch it on your tv without a computer (I have a solution that would only require a tiny little $60 box). Tell them you would like to watch it from your smart phone, or ipad or other devices. Tell them you think RPI TV can do a better job, and that you would rather send your money to us and athletics instead of b2.

Thank you for your in depth explanation mackek2. It is ridiculous that the technology is there and it isn't being used-especially since the drive is to return to the National stage. We have a team that is playing at the National level now and we can't even get good local coverage (or any coverage) right now. For all of us who attend the games, and for all of you who can't--let's send our comments in today!
 
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I was actually worried we would go down because we only won by one goal, but of course there's no need to get my panties in a bunch because margin really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things for this sport; a win is a win is a win is a win.

What I'm reading here is that you're giving up on being Flag DUDE.
 
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What I'm reading here is that you're giving up on being Flag DUDE.

Note to self: Euphamisms and figures of speech are not to be used in the presence of Red Cloud.

Is it Friday yet?
 
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Note to self: Euphamisms and figures of speech are not to be used in the presence of Red Cloud.

Is it Friday yet?

That's a euphemism that is typically used to emasculate someone else who is exhibiting effeminate behavior. If you intended that as a euphemism, you just emasculated yourself, never a good idea. If you didn't... it speaks for itself, no?

Feel free to use euphemisms and figures of speech all you want, just use them correctly.
 
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