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RPI Hockey 2012-2013 Part IV: Not A Finished Product Yet

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Very impressed with leonard the whole weekend his play was excellent all the defense was good giving up only one goal. I don't think he got a point but McGowan was one of my MVPs for the weekend speed size puck handling his checking was first rate. Hard to stop a team that has different scorers every nite. Rogic has blazing speed and is using it better. Burgie was great as well. I would not like to play Cornell for the reasons cited but to get there they have to win and one and only one of harvard and Colgate must win which i don't think looks promising. Good luck RPI

my mistake I thought cu was seeded 10th as of last nites standings. Looks like big potential for a lot of lower seeded upsets but you never know.
 
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jmhusker said:
I understand what you are saying here. If we could start the tournament today and go to Manchester against UNH I for one would be ecstatic. I know they think they would roll over us in a rematch and not only would I love to see us take it to them but I'd also like to see some of their hick fans crying in the stands (no we didn't enjoy the atmosphere in Durham in January). And I say this even though I play hockey with a number of their alums who I consider good friends.

That all said... If we don't finish at least 3rd in the tournament then we need luck to get in. And to do that we likely need to beat Union, Yale or Q. If we don't and there is as upset in HE, CCHA or WCHA then we will be in trouble.
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jm, my premise is based on us winning. Of course, if we lose a game, I will be in the middle of the PWR conversation. But right now, winning is everything.
 
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I'm so proud of this team. Hung out with all the seniors and there parents last night. Truely nice people. We haven't had fullmroster healthy for 1 game all year. We battled all year. Lets go red #1! Game at a time
 
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Havasu M said:
Very impressed with leonard the whole weekend his play was excellent all the defense was good giving up only one goal. I don't think he got a point but McGowan was one of my MVPs for the weekend speed size puck handling his checking was first rate. Hard to stop a team that has different scorers every nite. Rogic has blazing speed and is using it better. Burgie was great as well. I would not like to play Cornell for the reasons cited but to get there they have to win and one and only one of harvard and Colgate must win which i don't think looks promising. Good luck RPI

my mistake I thought cu was seeded 10th as of last nites standings. Looks like big potential for a lot of lower seeded upsets but you never know.
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Leonard had the Hawaii goal on CCT.
 
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jmhusker said:
We want to beat a TUC twice at the field house and then have them remain a TUC. Check out the pairwise when you get a chance and you'll notice how many teams are floating around a 500 record against TUC's. A game here and there matters.

If we win the ECAC then sure we are in. But if we finish 2nd or 3rd then we need to be as far up the TUC list as we can get.
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Let me walk with you on PWR. I get the concept, and I've scanned the charts (this year and esp in our NCAA year). But I still may not know what I'm talking about. ;)
So it looks like the only TUC on the charts now that we'd be eligible to play at HFH in two weeks is Brown. (Of course, Dartmouth is on the TUC list but it's not in the cards for #5 to visit #3) We need Brown (RPI: .5004) to sweep in the first round then lose twice to us. In an odd twist, is it better to have Bruno win one in our barn possibly to maintain them as a TUC? They may not get much cred for beating CCT twice.
 
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DrDemento said:
Would any sane person take that bet? Until this year we swept the North Country trip 4 times-with once being the 1985 team that pretty much swept everyone. The biggest surprise was a few years ago when we had a team with a far less than .500 record go up and sweep. The fact that our 2 best teams in history, 83-84 and 84-85 did not do it is testament to the fact that this is one of the hardest achievements we have ever accomplished. Statistically for us-it is about as difficult as winning the National Championship which we have done twice(before this year);)
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Respectfully disagree. The North Country trip is not what it used to be (thanks CCT) and SLU was missing their top player in Troy this year. It is a fabulous achievement, but I don't think it's a comparison you can execute, especially to the mid-80's, when the North Country teams were in their salad days.
 
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fr joe said:
Let me walk with you on PWR. I get the concept, and I've scanned the charts (this year and esp in out NCAA year). So it looks like the only TUC on the charts now that we'd be eligible to play at HFH in two weeks is Brown. (Of course, Dartmouth is on the TUC list but it's not in the cards for #3 to play #5) We need Brown (RPI: .5004) to sweep in the first round then lose twice to us. In an odd twist, is it better to have Bruno win one in our barn possible to maintain them as a TUC? They may not get much cred for beating CCT twice.
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If Brown sweeps next week then they should stay a TUC no matter what. Sioux sports has a great tool to go see what the impact of a win or loss is for a team. Wins against Clarkson are worth justover .6 each while losses against us would be worth over .4 each. Average all of that out and they stay above .500 with two wins and two losses.

Here is the tool: http://siouxsports.com/hockey/rankings/rpidetails.php?teamid=32

We don't want to win 2/3 against anyone. While our RPI and PWR might still be OK with one loss why risk losing a winner take all quarterfinal game? I'd prefer to save that "loss to give" if you will for AC, if we need it. And I hope we don't!
 
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If Brown sweeps next week then they should stay a TUC no matter what. Sioux sports has a great tool to go see what the impact of a win or loss is for a team. Wins against Clarkson are worth justover .6 each while losses against us would be worth over .4 each. Average all of that out and they stay above .500 with two wins and two losses.

We don't want to win 2/3 against anyone. While our RPI and PWR might still be OK with one loss why risk losing a winner take all quarterfinal game? I'd prefer to save that "loss to give" if you will for AC, if we need it. And I hope we don't!
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I'm sure WAP will cover this in detail with its fine work, but outside the ECAC, one of the best (most realistic) things that can happen is Northern Michigan falling off the TUC cliff. That's a comparison that we are losing (it could be flipped, although I'd think that's unlikely to happen if they're improving their RPI) and basically everybody else -- most importantly e teams right around us -- are winning. If they fall off the cliff, there are two benefits, one huge and one more marginal. First, we'd functionally gain a comparison win relative to all the teams around us. Second, anyone whose TUC record is benefitting from wins verse NMU would lose that benefit (albeit a small one; and to be sure, iris possible that some teams' TUC records could improve if NMU gets dumped).
 
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jmhusker said:
If Brown sweeps next week then they should stay a TUC no matter what. Sioux sports has a great tool to go see what the impact of a win or loss is for a team. Wins against Clarkson are worth justover .6 each while losses against us would be worth over .4 each. Average all of that out and they stay above .500 with two wins and two losses.

We don't want to win 2/3 against anyone. While our RPI and PWR might still be OK with one loss why risk losing a winner take all quarterfinal game? I'd prefer to save that "loss to give" if you will for AC, if we need it. And I hope we don't!
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Got it. Thanks.
That 2/3 thing? I remembered the odd machinations where our losses to Colgate in the playoffs (who in turn smoked Union {thank you} and then got to the finals in Albany) didn't do us in... that's when I started scanning KRACH, PWR and (dear old) RPI more carefully.
Plausible scenario: win two at HFH and win at least one at AC... keep the loss up our sleeve. If we can beat Yale a third time that's got to do nasty things to their PWR. To get a win against Union would be beneficial and quite tasty as well. Quinny?! Wait, wait, I'm the one who keeps writing "one game at a time." :D
 
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So I heard that the quarterfinals will have ****poor picture quality due to the EZ$$'s contracts. :mad:
 
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ServinisScores said:
Respectfully disagree. The North Country trip is not what it used to be (thanks CCT) and SLU was missing their top player in Troy this year. It is a fabulous achievement, but I don't think it's a comparison you can execute, especially to the mid-80's, when the North Country teams were in their salad days.
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SS: We are really not disagreeing. I am just giving the historical perspective. We have just never won all 4 contests in any one year-no matter wht team we had(and we have some doozies). The North Country trip is a bit easier as we ow have won it twice in less than ten years!;) But we have still only swept 4 times in my lifetime so that winning all 4 has been virtually impossible. I just find pointing something like this out tells us how special this group of boys has been-and perhaps what a wonderful job th ecoaching staff did this year.
 
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Could someone post a direct link to the Sioux Sports Pairwise Calculator? Thank you!
 
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knsmith said:
I'm sure WAP will cover this in detail with its fine work, but outside the ECAC, one of the best (most realistic) things that can happen is Northern Michigan falling off the TUC cliff. That's a comparison that we are losing (it could be flipped, although I'd think that's unlikely to happen if they're improving their RPI) and basically everybody else -- most importantly e teams right around us -- are winning. If they fall off the cliff, there are two benefits, one huge and one more marginal. First, we'd functionally gain a comparison win relative to all the teams around us. Second, anyone whose TUC record is benefitting from wins verse NMU would lose that benefit (albeit a small one; and to be sure, iris possible that some teams' TUC records could improve if NMU gets dumped).
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Using the PWR what-if site -- http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/ncaapwcr.php -- adding a Michigan sweep of Northern Michigan next weekend (with no other results entered) would move us up into 14th and, more importantly, would give us a substantial cushion (3 comparison wins) over the teams below us. Whatever else bracketology might tell us, it seems that the NMU-Michigan series will be a huge one. (The nice thing is that an NMU sweep does very little to harm us -- it essentially just maintains the status quo. So that series is all upside for us.)
 
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fr joe said:
Let me walk with you on PWR. I get the concept, and I've scanned the charts (this year and esp in our NCAA year). But I still may not know what I'm talking about. ;)
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Let me keep walking with you on PWR... would be fun to see how some ECAC match-ups could work out to benefit Our Red...

- jmhusker points out a Brown sweep next weekend would keep them a TUC, a plus for us. :)

- Colgate is just below the TUC cut (.4964). A series victory @ SLU (.5057),a tall order even without Flanagan, could make them a TUC. SLU wouldn't fall off the cliff? Wonder if there's an outcome that could end up with both as TUCs? :cool: And that would benefit us.

- Who should we root for in the Cornell (.5008)/Princeton (.4846) series? We've split against both squads. But is the devil somewhere in the details? :confused:

- Some of these series could PWR break well for us, less so for Union? :rolleyes:
 
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Ed Weaver article about Nick Bailen http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/...51342d432e346513008595.txt?viewmode=fullstory.

I have tried to avoid commenting upon errors in EW's articles recently, but I had to mention this since math is involved. :) From the "Two Wrongs Make a Right" department:
Long time: Rensselaer began playing Clarkson and SLU both home-and-home one year after the ECAC began in 1961-62. So, the Engineers had over 60 chances to sweep both schools in a season before finally doing it this weekend.
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We have played CCT and SLU home and away since 1952-53. (A year earlier CCT didn't play us in Troy.) Thus, over 60 chances is correct. However, it isn't correct with the season that he mentioned. The ECAC did indeed start in 1961-62, so that was not a misprint.
 
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knsmith said:
Using the PWR what-if site -- http://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/ncaapwcr.php -- adding a Michigan sweep of Northern Michigan next weekend (with no other results entered) would move us up into 14th and, more importantly, would give us a substantial cushion (3 comparison wins) over the teams below us. Whatever else bracketology might tell us, it seems that the NMU-Michigan series will be a huge one. (The nice thing is that an NMU sweep does very little to harm us -- it essentially just maintains the status quo. So that series is all upside for us.)
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It's hard to root for the ugly helmets, but will do. :)
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Ed Weaver article about Nick Bailen http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/...51342d432e346513008595.txt?viewmode=fullstory.

I have tried to avoid commenting upon errors in EW's articles recently, but I had to mention this since math is involved. :) From the "Two wrongs Make a Right" department:
We have played CCT and SLU home and away since 1952-53. (A year earlier CCT didn't play us in Troy.) Thus, over 60 chances is correct. However, it isn't correct with the season that he mentioned. The ECAC did indeed start in 1961-62, so that was not a misprint.
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Your years are right on the button-I would never had known but did the same thing myself the day before we played SLU in Troy. I had thought we had swept the teams once but was surprised to find it had never happened.
 
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