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RPI Hockey 2012-2013 Part IV: Not A Finished Product Yet

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U left kasdorf off rookie of week or goalie of week ***

Schottsie does his own awards; he doesn't regurgitate what the league says (which I assume is some sort of coaches' poll). It's happened in the other direction as well, where the league may leave one of our players off, but he gives credit.
 
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It's not the first time it's happened. I seem to remember them (Monty at the time) swapping Polacek and Brutlag, and that helped to spark an absolutely putrid power play and get it going. As much as Coach Graham is the creative force behind the PP, it would not surprise me if Appert planted that idea, especially after what he saw merely four years ago.
Never claimed it was an orginal thought, as there are few left in the world of hockey. The challenge for coaches - and where the credit is due - is in guiding the players to an understanding of their role on the PP.
 
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Just curious.

Was listening to the game on WRPI internet radio Saturday night with a Pep Band alumna and was surprised to hear her say, right after a goal no less, how much she disliked Bailen's style of play: "He's supposed to be a defenseman but all he wants to do is play offense." She then wondered what kind of plus / minus rating he had.

I have no clue, nor do I have an opinion myself one way or the other, and I'm not sure where to search for that statistic nor who would keep it.

Any feedback from more enlightened posters on this detail would be appreciated. :)

Thanks.
 
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FreshFish,

I know of two places to find plus/minus ratings, of which Bailen is second on the team behind Leonard.

One is ECAC Hockey team pages:
http://www.ecachockey.com/men/2012-13/teams/rensselaer?sort=plusminus&view=lineup&pos=sk&r=0

A second would be at college hockey news team pages:
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/team-overall.php?td=48

They vary slightly, as one lists Bailen at +12, the other +11.

collegehockeystats.net has Bailen at +11, as well. They don't have it added up - you have to go through game-by-game to find it. He has a handful of games where he was a +3, and also a bunch where he was a -2.

Bailen is a +10 in the past 9 games.
 
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Just curious.

Was listening to the game on WRPI internet radio Saturday night with a Pep Band alumna and was surprised to hear her say, right after a goal no less, how much she disliked Bailen's style of play: "He's supposed to be a defenseman but all he wants to do is play offense." She then wondered what kind of plus / minus rating he had.

I have no clue, nor do I have an opinion myself one way or the other, and I'm not sure where to search for that statistic nor who would keep it.

Any feedback from more enlightened posters on this detail would be appreciated. :)

Thanks.

I can understand her concern, and it's not like it's the first time we've seen it; Brutlag also liked to wander. I do remember a time or two Coach yelling "Stay home!" at Brutlag while out there. I wonder if she complained about him as well. Granted, it's way too late to move Bailen (unlike Brutlag who had a year and a half left), not to mention we don't have healthy D-corps to replace Bailen as he's moved to forward, but bringing Dolan into the NHL power play unit while moving Bailen down has been great for his play. Granted, it doesn't count on the +/- if you score while on a man advantage so we can't tell from that alone, but we certainly have not *knocks on a seat in 33 in HFH* given up too many shorties lately while the goalie was in net.
 
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one lists Bailen at +12, the other +11.

Thank you.

Those are pretty good numbers, aren't they?

It seems like this year, at least, his adventures on offense are not also costing us goals on the other end. Which of course would encourage more of the same, at least as long as the results continue as they have been.

I like the way the lines seem to be gelling as units that are more effective than the sum of the individual players.
 
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bringing Dolan into the NHL power play unit while moving Bailen down has been great for his [whose? Dolan's? or Bailen's? assume you mean the latter] play. Granted, it doesn't count on the +/- if you score while on a man advantage.

If your assertion is indeed factually accurate, then Bailen's + 12 score comes entirely from play at even strength, no?

The concern from last year had nothing to do with how effective Bailen was at scoring; it was merely a potential danger when he became so distracted with scoring that he neglected his duties on the other end of the ice. A + 12 would indicate that he is no longer doing so.

If he is scoring a lot of even strength goals from the blue line as part of a natural cycling of the puck after we dump it low in their end and forecheck, and no one from the other team is getting down ice past him because he never strays in past the top of the circle any more, then that's a fantastic result and a testament to the player, his coaches, and his teammates.

Now, that sentence started with an "if"...I haven't been able to watch many games this year and those kinds of first-hand observations don't usually make it into box scores or newspaper stories (or even in score threads, sometimes....). I'd have to rely on others to weigh in as to whether Bailen's overall tactics during even strength play have changed, or whether the rest of the team has adjusted this year to cover for him. Either way, if you are right in saying +/- doesn't include power play situations....that means he has at least 12 points at even strength play, without conceding a goal, right (or any other combination that preserves the same differential).
 
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If your assertion is indeed factually accurate, then Bailen's + 12 score comes entirely from play at even strength, no?

The concern from last year had nothing to do with how effective Bailen was at scoring; it was merely a potential danger when he became so distracted with scoring that he neglected his duties on the other end of the ice. A + 12 would indicate that he is no longer doing so.

If he is scoring a lot of even strength goals from the blue line as part of a natural cycling of the puck after we dump it low in their end and forecheck, and no one from the other team is getting down ice past him because he never strays in past the top of the circle any more, then that's a fantastic result and a testament to the player, his coaches, and his teammates.

Now, that sentence started with an "if"...I haven't been able to watch many games this year and those kinds of first-hand observations don't usually make it into box scores or newspaper stories (or even in score threads, sometimes....). I'd have to rely on others to weigh in as to whether Bailen's overall tactics during even strength play have changed, or whether the rest of the team has adjusted this year to cover for him. Either way, if you are right in saying +/- doesn't include power play situations....that means he has at least 12 points at even strength play, without conceding a goal, right (or any other combination that preserves the same differential).

There are a couple of fallacies that are being neglected:

1. You don't have to be credited with a goal or assist to receive a +/-; you merely have to be on the ice at the time of the goal.
2. Although PPG does not count, SHG does.

As for his tactics, he's getting a little better, now that others are getting open for shots. Once in a while when he takes it, it still gets blocked often. At least he's hitting the net now.
 
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Browsed thru 12 pages of this thread last night and couldn't find mention of burgie's broken limb. (assuming only 1)
Is he ok/better now?
What Happened?
Weather related? Hockey related? Clicking his heels?
 
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FF-I am certainly not the statistician here on the board-but i just never have put too much stock in the +/- figure. It probably is a bit helpful but it can be influenced very easily by a lot of other factors. Depends on what lines you play with and whether you play against the top lines of other teams, what percent of the time you spend on the power play since short handed goals against do count against you, whether you are on the ice at the end of the game when the goalie is pulled, etc. From experience I seem to notice that defensemen have a better positive number than forwards. For me the only place it really matters is for the goalie;) If he is on the ice for many more goals than he allows, then you have something. I have never given the number much thought as well as the number of game winning goals. I guess i am a simple meat and potato guy-just let me know how many goals and assists a guy has and what a goalie does as far as a goals against average. I also tend to put far more emphasis on defense-I love when we allow other teams 2 or less goals per game. I know you have to score something to win-but it just seems that in the ECAC the teams that are most successful have a few things in common-allowing the fewest goals, and the biggest + factor on special teams. The nice thing is that we are starting to move up in both those categories.
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned but Seth Appert will be on USCHO Live, tonight from 8 to 9PM.

Also, for those going to Colgate and have been there before, are reserved seats recommended or G.A.? I seem to recall seeing RPI fans sitting in the end zone when the RPI-Colgate games are on TW3.
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned but Seth Appert will be on USCHO Live, tonight from 8 to 9PM.

Also, for those going to Colgate and have been there before, are reserved seats recommended or G.A.? I seem to recall seeing RPI fans sitting in the end zone when the RPI-Colgate games are on TW3.

Got my ticket today and it is G.A. and located in the end zone according to the person I spoke to. Plus it is buy one get one free that night.
 
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Not sure if this has been mentioned but Seth Appert will be on USCHO Live, tonight from 8 to 9PM.

I am having issues hearing this. It is very choppy and keeps stopping. Guess I will wait for it to be archived.
 
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Browsed thru 12 pages of this thread last night and couldn't find mention of burgie's broken limb. (assuming only 1)
Is he ok/better now?
What Happened?
Weather related? Hockey related? Clicking his heels?

He broke his leg skiing.
 
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