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RPI Hockey 2012-2013 Part IV: Not A Finished Product Yet

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He broke his leg skiing.

Unfortunately-not uncommon at all. An extremely unnatural athletic activity that puts the body at great risk. Wonder where this all happened? Eastern icy slopes or Western powder? I always found Gore Mt and Whiteface to be the most dangerous of places for me. But then again, I could get hurt almost anyplace.:o
 
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They didnt " get away " with anything. If you FOILed the building permit, I'm sure the City would be happy to show you the approved, stamped plans signed by the City Codes and one of your brethren in the Fire Protection community. Old buildings are what they are. The fact is, HFH has had several renovations in its history. The areas that should be sprinklered per today's Code are sprinklered. As GRuss correctly pointed out, off the top of my head Messa Rink, Appleton AND Starr Rink are far bigger nightmares from an egress perspective . As a fire inspector, I urge you to tell us how any of THOSE rinks ever pass a fire inspection...wood trusses, wood roof decking, wood bleachers, and horrific egress.
WS, We can all get away with claiming "existing" that does not mean that the Institute which charges very high prices from tuition could not step up and protect the public. As to the other rinks that you mention, I have never been inside them and from what you state, it looks like I may stop by once to knock them off my list and that's it. I just find it ironic that an Institute that touts itself as "Engineers" was not on the cutting edge when it came to renovating that building and protecting the public. The funny thing is that the construction of the shell of HFH was most likely cutting edge back in the day, it IS possible that the roof system may not be able to support the weight of a sprinkler system, but with the snow loads in Troy, I would think it could. You may be right that the "Tute" was within their right to not upgrade the fire protection at HFH, it does not make the decision( if it was even considered) not to do so any better. One other note, the ushers who seemed intent on controlling access into the arena proper during play at the front of the building, were basically non existent within the crowded facility, the egress plan should have those folks ( if there were enough) strategically placed throughout the building to guide the public out of the place during an emergency. Done with my rant, good luck with the season.
 
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Unfortunately-not uncommon at all. An extremely unnatural athletic activity that puts the body at great risk. Wonder where this all happened? Eastern icy slopes or Western powder? I always found Gore Mt and Whiteface to be the most dangerous of places for me. But then again, I could get hurt almost anyplace.:o
Perhaps Peoples Avenue from the HFH. ;)
 
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Burgie/broken leg? Burgie the poster or Burgdorfer the player? Any word when Burgie can return? (I always felt safer playing hockey than skiiing. Doc, they don't call it Gore Mtn for nothing. :p )
 
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Wow that was a whooping Kenny. Didn't see the game but sounds like the Bullies fixed there PP. BTW- I'm still want to debate Paul Stewart on Rodg's show about the state of ECAC officiating.

Good luck if you can get a word in while arguing with Paul Stewart. LOL
 
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Burgie/broken leg? Burgie the poster or Burgdorfer the player? Any word when Burgie can return? (I always felt safer playing hockey than skiiing. Doc, they don't call it Gore Mtn for nothing. :p )

The poster.
 
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The poster.
Burge, the poster.
corrseponded with him via facebook yesterday because I sent him Sullivan's USCHO blog with hm and FDude. He seems in gr8t spirits. We're going need him to crunch the numbers soon.
 
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FF-I am certainly not the statistician here on the board-but i just never have put too much stock in the +/- figure. It probably is a bit helpful but it can be influenced very easily by a lot of other factors. Depends on what lines you play with and whether you play against the top lines of other teams, what percent of the time you spend on the power play since short handed goals against do count against you, whether you are on the ice at the end of the game when the goalie is pulled, etc. From experience I seem to notice that defensemen have a better positive number than forwards. For me the only place it really matters is for the goalie;) If he is on the ice for many more goals than he allows, then you have something. I have never given the number much thought as well as the number of game winning goals. I guess i am a simple meat and potato guy-just let me know how many goals and assists a guy has and what a goalie does as far as a goals against average. I also tend to put far more emphasis on defense-I love when we allow other teams 2 or less goals per game. I know you have to score something to win-but it just seems that in the ECAC the teams that are most successful have a few things in common-allowing the fewest goals, and the biggest + factor on special teams. The nice thing is that we are starting to move up in both those categories.

I'm not disputing anything, I'm merely curious. Once a person develops a reputation, then even after s/he changes behavior, the reputation often follows, and statistics can be a useful antidote so to speak to help us observe what actually is going on now as opposed to what one might think would be going on based on an extrapolation of past behavior with no changes.

It sounds like people are saying that Bailen has become more disciplined on defense without sacrificing his scoring. If that is the case then it is a good thing.
 
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I'm not disputing anything, I'm merely curious. Once a person develops a reputation, then even after s/he changes behavior, the reputation often follows, and statistics can be a useful antidote so to speak to help us observe what actually is going on now as opposed to what one might think would be going on based on an extrapolation of past behavior with no changes.

It sounds like people are saying that Bailen has become more disciplined on defense without sacrificing his scoring. If that is the case then it is a good thing.

The first part of your post is only 1000% true! Reputation does not seem to ever quite disappear. I think Bailen is extremely talented-I think he would be a star or near star on any team he plays for. But he, like everyone has had some weaknesses-which probably can be addressed. it seems lately that he is not trying to do it all alone any more-that he is passing instead of taking an ill advised shot. That his is looking to dish the puck off instead of trying to beat his man by spinning around. He has made some adaptations-and it has made him better-and the team much better. I would lov ehim to be 2 inches taller and about 20 pounds heavier-but I'd take him on my team just as he is.
 
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Burgie/broken leg? Burgie the poster or Burgdorfer the player? Any word when Burgie can return? (I always felt safer playing hockey than skiiing. Doc, they don't call it Gore Mtn for nothing. :p )

Gore is exactly 32 miles from our house. We used to be up there much of the winter. A great place to ski-hardly ever too crowded and one of the best kept secrets with everyone heading to Vermont. But if you ski at Gore-you better know what your limitations are. If not, they could be bringing you down on a sled in a body bag. It is sneaky dangerous and incredibly icy. And there are a few wonderful restaurants around in North Creek and North river.
 
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Burge, the poster.
corrseponded with him via facebook yesterday because I sent him Sullivan's USCHO blog with hm and FDude. He seems in gr8t spirits. We're going need him to crunch the numbers soon.

There are plenty of us that I'm sure would be able to figure it out. What specifically would you like to see?
 
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The first part of your post is only 1000% true! Reputation does not seem to ever quite disappear.

Sure it does. All it takes is a Union weekend for me to go from having a brilliant future to having much to be proud of. :p:D
 
Gore is exactly 32 miles from our house. We used to be up there much of the winter. A great place to ski-hardly ever too crowded and one of the best kept secrets with everyone heading to Vermont. But if you ski at Gore-you better know what your limitations are. If not, they could be bringing you down on a sled in a body bag. It is sneaky dangerous and incredibly icy. And there are a few wonderful restaurants around in North Creek and North river.

I've been skiing for almost 25 years now and a lot you have to say about Gore is true. Especially the crowded part. As far as the conditions go, I have never had any problems skiing there (though I was skiing with someone who ended up tearing a knee ligament there). I always thought that Whiteface (or as we call it here, iceface) was always more difficult. And yes, there are some nice restaurants in the North Creek area.

Anyway, get well soon Bergie12. Now, back to hockey talk...:)
 
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I've been skiing for almost 25 years now and a lot you have to say about Gore is true. Especially the crowded part. As far as the conditions go, I have never had any problems skiing there (though I was skiing with someone who ended up tearing a knee ligament there). I always thought that Whiteface (or as we call it here, iceface) was always more difficult. And yes, there are some nice restaurants in the North Creek area.
Anyway, get well soon Bergie12. Now, back to hockey talk...:)

Have they fixed the flat spot in the middle of Gore. It always sucked on a board if you didn't have enough speed to get through it. One reason I did not like the mountain.

Whiteface isn't an Olympic mountain because it is easy. The slides were always my favorite when they have them open!! Not sure if my knee would be able to handle them now a days. Would be willing to give it a try though. Highly recommend anyone who likes, especially back country, ski/snow boarding to give them a try some day. That is if they have them open, usually need a lot of natural snow fall for them to open.
 
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A tweet from our great coach:

@SethAppert: RPI alum Doug Hearns gave our team puck he scored GWG in OT to defeat Cornell n hand Dryden 1 of only 4 career losses http://t.co/yGrcsQ6o
 
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Have they fixed the flat spot in the middle of Gore. It always sucked on a board if you didn't have enough speed to get through it. One reason I did not like the mountain.

That flat spot is easy enough to get to the end of as long as you shoot straight down the last hill. Otherwise, a little exercise never hurt anyone.
 
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