RPI Hockey 2012-2013 Part IV: Not A Finished Product Yet

[DrDemento]

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I think some people on here worry themselves too much about the TUC and RPI stats. When we win the ECAC tourney none of it will matter as we will get an automatic bid into the tourney. I like our chances of doing so the way we have been playing. The past is the past lets move forward and keep playing the way we have and if we do I think our chances are great.

Let's Go Red!!!

Good thought-but i would love to have the luxury of knowing we had another way into the tournament. These kids are talented and work incredibly hard and deserve every chance for that.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I think some people on here worry themselves too much about the TUC and RPI stats. When we win the ECAC tourney none of it will matter as we will get an automatic bid into the tourney. I like our chances of doing so the way we have been playing. The past is the past lets move forward and keep playing the way we have and if we do I think our chances are great.

Let's Go Red!!!

We have to get there first. Since the adoption of the Union rule, there's only one team that has never made it to the ECAC semifinals. Actually, with QPac now guaranteed the Cleary cup, there's also only one team that has never achieved a first-round bye since the adoption of the Union rule. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's focus on Yale, and see if we can get #993.

 

[Stay@homeDad]

Can you imagine where we would be standing if we could actually convert when we are 5 on 3? We are just so much more effective 5 on 4 and even 5 on 5. It is almost like we are afraid to move and stay on the periphery passing around with no one moving through the center.

Did you notice in the interview even SA said we were useless on the 5 on 3?

 

[DrDemento]

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I don't think it would. They'd still be ahead of us in RatingsPI (currently 0.03 ahead, I don't know if that's quite enough for a flip with a tie), making it 3-2 instead of 4-2. All ties are broken by RatingsPI, despite TBRW's formula (they use H2H), so we still have the opportunity to flip the comparison. We just need to finish ahead of them in the league to get COP, and their mickey mouse schedule will hurt when it comes to % vs. TUC.

The biggest focus, though, is taking it to Yale tonight. 992, we want more!

Dude-I am just not mathematical enough to figure it out-perhape ralph or B12 can help-but i think if we flip the QU game to a tie and the Union game to a tie-we could be PWR ranked into the tournament if the rankings concluded today(or at least right on the bubble). It is of course all mind games since we have more games to play-but it would just point out how important 2 little episodes were for this season.

You are right on the button though-Yale is now priority number 1 and we will need to be energetic and smart.

 

[DrDemento]

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Did you notice in the interview even SA said we were useless on the 5 on 3?

I don't think much gets by him. He is one sharp cookie. Whether he can implement some sort of change in how we approach that 5 on 3 situation-and as importantly, how we approach attacking when we are forced to pull the goaltender (another area where we are just abyssmal) is another thing.

 

[jmhusker]

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And if we had not given up that short handed goal to Quinnipiac when we had the 5 on 3 for us late in the game-and settled for a tie? i would guess we would move up at least 3 spots and be threatening for an NCAA bid or at least very close to the bubble. Sometimes it is just one play in one game that can make such a difference.

Spot on Doc - we would be 16th in the PWR if that first QPac game was a tie. If we beat Yale tonight then we may get there anyhow - or at least close to it.

 

[Stay@homeDad]

Good thought-but i would love to have the luxury of knowing we had another way into the tournament. These kids are talented and work incredibly hard and deserve every chance for that.

I agree but when it comes down to it I doubt the committee is going to give an at large bid to an ECAC team like 2 years ago. Look at BU and ND in the national polls. ND was 2nd in the nation at Xmas break. They have been playing terrible since and every game I have seen on TV since Xmas they have lost, including last night, and they still are being voted into the top 20. Same thing with BU, they have not been playing well either but because they are who they are they keep getting votes.

Also when I travel for games, one of them being the Princeton game, I find it funny to hear people in the rinks say "Who is Rensselaer?" And have the time they can't pronounce it right. For some reason even though we have 2 national championships people still don't know who RPI hockey is.

 

[Stay@homeDad]

I don't think much gets by him. He is one sharp cookie. Whether he can implement some sort of change in how we approach that 5 on 3 situation-and as importantly, how we approach attacking when we are forced to pull the goaltender (another area where we are just abyssmal) is another thing.

I think the guys have figured out the way around the problem when we pull the goaltender. Don't be behind with less than 2 mins left in the game!

 

[GRussinko]

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[FlagDUDE08]

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I don't think much gets by him. He is one sharp cookie. Whether he can implement some sort of change in how we approach that 5 on 3 situation-and as importantly, how we approach attacking when we are forced to pull the goaltender (another area where we are just abyssmal) is another thing.

One thing I saw, and I remember a televised Union/Yale game a couple of years ago where this was the case for Union as well and they were unsuccessful; I think we closed in too far, giving us no room to work and making shot blocks easy. I fully understand why it's more important to get more speed on a slap shot, but that's assuming you can actually get it on net. Our biggest asset with a power play is open ice and space. Why not make them work to defend? This is why our 3-2 power play has been so much more effective than our 4-1. Why go to the 4-1 when it hasn't worked in the past?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I agree but when it comes down to it I doubt the committee is going to give an at large bid to an ECAC team like 2 years ago. Look at BU and ND in the national polls. ND was 2nd in the nation at Xmas break. They have been playing terrible since and every game I have seen on TV since Xmas they have lost, including last night, and they still are being voted into the top 20. Same thing with BU, they have not been playing well either but because they are who they are they keep getting votes.

Also when I travel for games, one of them being the Princeton game, I find it funny to hear people in the rinks say "Who is Rensselaer?" And have the time they can't pronounce it right. For some reason even though we have 2 national championships people still don't know who RPI hockey is.

The committee no longer adds subjectivity, unlike basketball. The process is completely computer objective. You could have made the same case about us going to the national tournament two years ago.

 

[jmhusker]

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I don't think much gets by him. He is one sharp cookie. Whether he can implement some sort of change in how we approach that 5 on 3 situation-and as importantly, how we approach attacking when we are forced to pull the goaltender (another area where we are just abyssmal) is another thing.

Don't make any crazy suggestions here Doc. SA will probably pull the goalie and try 6 on 3!

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Don't make any crazy suggestions here Doc. SA will probably pull the goalie and try 6 on 3!

He's done it before. Remember the Miami series in 07-08?

 

[rvd5star69]

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Kasdorf is a stud
I love non tv games
It's a shame rpi cant do like valley cats do with all there giveaways and promo stuff to fill the hfh on off nights like vs brown or Princeton
Reffing was good again
Miller is a work horse
I like the line combos
1 game at a time

 

[hawthr]

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Here's a nice stat - RPI is 8/19 on the power play during this 5 game winning streak - 42.1%

The penalty kill during this same time has been 14/17 (82.35%), about where it has been all year.

 

[Stay@homeDad]

The committee no longer adds subjectivity, unlike basketball. The process is completely computer objective. You could have made the same case about us going to the national tournament two years ago.

Based on how we were playing at the time back then I would not have put us in the tourney. We looked like a bunch of amateurs in that game if you ask me. The only good thing I recall from it was when Rambo laid out a guy.

This year we will deserve it if we keep playing the way we have and will probably not get in unless we win the ECAC tourney. However you guys can all keep crunching the numbers, since you seem to have time for it, and in the end I hope it does work out for us should we not win the ECAC tourney.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Here's a nice stat - RPI is 8/19 on the power play during this 5 game winning streak - 42.1%

The penalty kill during this same time has been 14/17 (82.35%), about where it has been all year.

The PK is a little skewed; all three of those were against SLU. Either they have a kickass power play and the others aren't so good, or we just had an off night.

 

[Stay@homeDad]

Kasdorf is a stud
I love non tv games
It's a shame rpi cant do like valley cats do with all there giveaways and promo stuff to fill the hfh on off nights like vs brown or Princeton
Reffing was good again
Miller is a work horse
I like the line combos
1 game at a time

How bout the sliding pad save he made! The Brown player should have called the TPD because he was definitely robbed on that one. WOW is all I could say last night about it. Then he backed it up with a great glove save to rob another guy a little later on. He sure is fun to watch and I am thinking by the time he is a junior, and if stays healthy, we could see him posting a lot of shut outs if the rest of the guys play the way we need them to in front of him.

 

[DrDemento]

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Here's a nice stat - RPI is 8/19 on the power play during this 5 game winning streak - 42.1%

The penalty kill during this same time has been 14/17 (82.35%), about where it has been all year.

Sometimes (although not always) a key stat for success is the total +/- that your team is on special teams. if you need any proof just look at Union the past 3 or so years. Often our numbers have been horrible-and the results on the ice showed it. Lately we have brought that number up albeit not to lofty numbers like Union-but still great improvement. It is o coincidence that at the same time we are winning games. There is always some skewing when you have a game like down here at Princeton where down 2-1 lat and on a power play we pulled the goalie and PU scored 2 goals (which count as short handed-even if they were into an empty net) Union has been an ECAC power the past few years-this year they are not quite the same and have lost a little something. But they are still way up the ladder in special teams +/-. I wonder where thety would be in the league without that?

 

[DrDemento]

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Spot on Doc - we would be 16th in the PWR if that first QPac game was a tie. If we beat Yale tonight then we may get there anyhow - or at least close to it.

And even better if the spurious penalty call was not made in the Union game. I suspect that and the above mentioned QU mistake on our part were reversed-we could be as high as 13. Just thinking out loud....