RPI Hockey 2012-2013 Part II: You Better Starting Posting the Engineer Way

[DrDemento]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y63cHxYlMRw

A guy like Polacek was perfect for the right dot guy. Haggerty is perfect for the digger position. I think in the second half you might see Buebla in the RH spot also with Jake on the left.

ASPY: Nice video post. But when the umbrella is not working-you have to have Plan B. When opponents are getting better chances than you are on your own power play (especially when it happens 5 on 3) something is broken. This season is about half over-and we have gotten bitten a bit too often and lost games because of it.

 

[AspyDad]

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Chase was remarkable with the 1 timer! IIRC, Haggs had a 1 timer from the dot (the goalies right) against Ferris. Jake had 2 oppurtunities yesterday on the PP but caught the puck first allowing the goalie to react. It's not an easy shot to master like Chase did but it's a dangerous weapon when one does. I'm baffled as to why we haven't seen it since Chase.....unless of course Haggs is the only one with the confidence with it. Note; it's a lot easier when someone like Pirri or Helfrich is putting it in your wheelhouse and Lali can. I would love to see the combo of him & Haggs master that play.......I know they can. Enough already with constant shots of Bailen being blocked out high. It was almost comical in the 2nd period when he had 3 straight blocked....BY THE SAME DEFENDER!

I agree about Haggs. I don't think there's much that Kid can't do. You right that more shots should come from LH and RH shot in the umbrealla because it will create more rebounds because the goalie must be moving side to side and shot will going towards right or left pad which is tougher for goalie to control rebound.

 

[AspyDad]

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ASPY: Nice video post. But when the umbrella is not working-you have to have Plan B. When opponents are getting better chances than you are on your own power play (especially when it happens 5 on 3) something is broken. This season is about half over-and we have gotten bitten a bit too often and lost games because of it.

High risk reward and agree we shouldn't be repeating failure. The puck needs to move more at the top through passing instead of skating. I think when the second unit comes on they go traditional.

 

[DrDemento]

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High risk reward and agree we shouldn't be repeating failure. The puck needs to move more at the top through passing instead of skating. I think when the second unit comes on they go traditional.

I just would hope that they address the fact that we seem so predictable. It is one of the weakest aspects of our game. I wonder what the statistics would show for net chances for our special teams. We will not be able to afford the luxury of poor special teams play for the next few games-that is for certain.

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

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I just would hope that they address the fact that we seem so predictable. It is one of the weakest aspects of our game. I wonder what the statistics would show for net chances for our special teams. We will not be able to afford the luxury of poor special teams play for the next few games-that is for certain.

You are right Doc, we need to address it.
One thing I would like to see is someone in front of the net. It seems to me, that even when a shot gets through, there is no one there to pick up the rebound. We get very few second shots when we are on the PP.
As far as the one timers, I think you will see some of the freshmen (Bubela/Zalewski) taking that spot. It will also be good to get Schroeder back for the offense in general.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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You are right Doc, we need to address it.
One thing I would like to see is someone in front of the net. It seems to me, that even when a shot gets through, there is no one there to pick up the rebound. We get very few second shots when we are on the PP.
As far as the one timers, I think you will see some of the freshmen (Bubela/Zalewski) taking that spot. It will also be good to get Schroeder back for the offense in general.

When we recruited Zalewski I thought that he would be able to play the role in front of the net. I don't know if Bubela has the strength to play there.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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ASPY: Nice video post. But when the umbrella is not working-you have to have Plan B. When opponents are getting better chances than you are on your own power play (especially when it happens 5 on 3) something is broken. This season is about half over-and we have gotten bitten a bit too often and lost games because of it.

I think this is why we have the Leonard/Bradley power play line. It doesn't seem like an umbrella to me, especially with 2 D players.

 

[Stay@homeDad]

High risk reward and agree we shouldn't be repeating failure. The puck needs to move more at the top through passing instead of skating. I think when the second unit comes on they go traditional.

Funny thing is as of late the 2nd unit has been producing the goals on the PP IIRC.

 

[DrDemento]

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I think this is why we have the Leonard/Bradley power play line. It doesn't seem like an umbrella to me, especially with 2 D players.

FD: I noticed that duo out there at times. it just appears at first blush that they have been pretty effective. I understand that you have to go with the best system that fits your personnel-but sometimes it might work to have your personnel work and practice to fit a new system.

 

[hab]

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BTW- Bails needs to get the puck through. It was easier when Chase was here because D would cheat to him giving Bails more room. They have been keying on him so he will need to pass more quickly. Jake the snake has a great one timer and will excel in this area. I have full confidence that he will. Go RED.

This is dead on right!

 

[Stay@homeDad]

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“It’s a win,” said RPI coach Seth Appert. “I wasn’t real pleased with our intensity or our physical play but it’s a win. It beats the alternative.” http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/...50e2519fd99c9390469650.txt?viewmode=fullstory

Someone should let Ed Weaver know Eric Burgdoefer graduated but his brother Greg still plays for us.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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FD: I noticed that duo out there at times. it just appears at first blush that they have been pretty effective. I understand that you have to go with the best system that fits your personnel-but sometimes it might work to have your personnel work and practice to fit a new system.

The first time I saw it, I thought Coach was just rolling out another line instead of doing something of the special teams variety; a D pair and Bubela's line. Then, I figured out that Leonard and Bradley don't normally partner in the 5x5.

 

[turk181]

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Funny thing is as of late the 2nd unit has been producing the goals on the PP IIRC.

....because they're not as predictable as the so-called 1st unit? I love this group as of late. They seem to be more.....instinctive, free-flowing, moving, maybe just having more fun with it (that's for Senna).

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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....because they're not as predictable as the so-called 1st unit? I love this group as of late. They seem to be more.....instinctive, free-flowing, moving, maybe just having more fun with it (that's for Senna).

Do LeBoeuf and Bailen typically play on the same pairing? I wonder what would happen if we were to put them into a similar setup with Tinordi, Haggerty, and Laliberté? Either that, or if we stick with the 4-1, use Bailen as a decoy and set up Laliberté? He certainly has a great shot, although I'm not sure if it's him or Haggerty that plays down low (assuming Neal is the other up-man).

During the Sacred Heart game, two out of three PPG came from the second setup. As did the Yale PPG. After years of the umbrella not being all that effective (with exception to 10-11, but that's the exception to just about any rabble), perhaps Coach Graham is onto something? One thing I do like about this is that instead of trying to fit players into a system, fit the system around the players. Take their talent and make it even better.

 

[Senna]

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....because they're not as predictable as the so-called 1st unit? I love this group as of late. They seem to be more.....instinctive, free-flowing, moving, maybe just having more fun with it (that's for Senna).

Thanks for that Turk ! I think that is completely right. Take the leash off these kids a bit and just let them play. Right now we seem to pass A LOT around the perimeter, which as the opposing team I want to have happen. I'm also one that is not a big fan of just the single D...Sacred Heart had a full on break away when we were at least one man up (and I think 2 !). I think having the 2nd D back gives more options for the D to either go D to D, take a shot, or play down into the corner. With the 1 D, there is only the option of the shot or the corner...or a turnover. Also, I think pulls the box out a little, and then creates a seam for the cross ice pass for the one timer either thru the middle of the box to the far side hashmarks (just like Polacek) or corner post (Diesel's goal) , or to a guy in the middle of the box 10 feet out from the goal. Its a game of time and space, and we dont seem to use the space to our advantage or to create options for the puck carrier. To Turk's earlier post - just take a look at Bailen hitting the same defender 3 times within the space of 15 seconds on one of our power plays...we just are not creating space or options. I'll use one more example that went against us in the Sacred Heart game and resulted in one of their goals....1 on 1 against the BRO. He did exactly what the defenseman is supposed to do...he got position in the center of the ice and forced his guy wide and matched his speed. The player recognized that and went all the way to the boards on the right, pulling Luke over to him. As he went over, it created space and a gap for someone else to come into with speed and the forward just lightly played the puck over to a guy flying up the middle, and he had a clean break and scored. In effect, that forward created space in the whole middle of the ice for the goal scorer by making sure that the big guy did exactly what he was supposed to do - play the man. Back to the powerplay - we have a man advantage. they cant cover everyone at the same time as long as we spread out and create options and lanes for passing. Guys like JL, Haggerty, Buebla, Neal, etc are all goal scorers - they know how to get in those gaps. Said differently, I can absilutely guarantee you that JL didnt light the lamp like he did in juniors by NOT knowing how to create space and get in that gap and create a option for the guys with the puck to pass to. For the love of god, just let these guys go and do what they already know how to do. Please. Thank you.

 

[Senna]

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Do LeBoeuf and Bailen typically play on the same pairing? I wonder what would happen if we were to put them into a similar setup with Tinordi, Haggerty, and Laliberté? Either that, or if we stick with the 4-1, use Bailen as a decoy and set up Laliberté? He certainly has a great shot, although I'm not sure if it's him or Haggerty that plays down low (assuming Neal is the other up-man).

During the Sacred Heart game, two out of three PPG came from the second setup. As did the Yale PPG. After years of the umbrella not being all that effective (with exception to 10-11, but that's the exception to just about any rabble), perhaps Coach Graham is onto something? One thing I do like about this is that instead of trying to fit players into a system, fit the system around the players. Take their talent and make it even better.

look - if you play with 1 D at the top, then the defensive box is a 1-2-1, with 1 guy just mirroring and closely shadowing our D at the top. He has no shooting lane. Further, with the puck at the side boards, you have no cross ice pass because there are 2 D in the middle. If you drop the puck low, the the middle D on the weak side has to drop to protect against the weak side pass (Z's goal). Never does the top defender leave our 1 D because we are setting him as the shot and that option as a pass or a shot is taken away.

Let me say this way - the defensive box needs to be fluid, but they are outmanned. You can only move the puck and create options if you have time and space for yourself as the puck carrier and there is a slot and space to pass thru to your teammate. We need to spread out and force that box to be as open and wide as possible because thats what creates that space and lanes to pass thru. My view is that only having 1 D high helps the defense more than it does the power play unit.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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I just would hope that they address the fact that we seem so predictable. ...

If by "predictable" you mean repeatedly drilling shots into the point defenders shin guards, then I would wholeheartedly agree. But seriously, there was absolutely no puck or skater movement with the 1st PP unit. As good as Bailen is in the open ice during regular play, he seems to go into this tunnel vision meltdown mode on the PP...where he loiters around center ice with the puck, then attempts to shoot thru 6 bodies. I am far from expert, but I know that puck movement is the key to a good PP...and our 1st team is lacking that. At this point, I would rather see another person on the point, cuz the #1 unit ain't getting it done.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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look - if you play with 1 D at the top, then the defensive box is a 1-2-1, with 1 guy just mirroring and closely shadowing our D at the top. He has no shooting lane. Further, with the puck at the side boards, you have no cross ice pass because there are 2 D in the middle. If you drop the puck low, the the middle D on the weak side has to drop to protect against the weak side pass (Z's goal). Never does the top defender leave our 1 D because we are setting him as the shot and that option as a pass or a shot is taken away.

Let me say this way - the defensive box needs to be fluid, but they are outmanned. You can only move the puck and create options if you have time and space for yourself as the puck carrier and there is a slot and space to pass thru to your teammate. We need to spread out and force that box to be as open and wide as possible because thats what creates that space and lanes to pass thru. My view is that only having 1 D high helps the defense more than it does the power play unit.

You can't say it more simply or succinctly than that. Well done Senna. I completely agree that the single D setup is a liability for RPI. ..forget about PPG's, we are regularly at risk of giving up shorties...that kind of glaring weakness cannot continue. Guys like Dolan and Leonard are plenty mobile and have good sticks (Dolan has an excellent release, IMO) no reason they couldnt' play as the 2nd D on the PP.

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

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OK, so we are all in agreement that the single D on the power play does not do us any good. Most of us have commented and I have yet to see any posts that think that the sigle D is a good system.
Now I have to ask, if all of us amateur coaches (and I include myself) think it should be changed, and we have three professional coaches behind the bench that continue that system, what are we missing?
I have to believe that they know better than we do, so what are we missing???

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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OK, so we are all in agreement that the single D on the power play does not do us any good. Most of us have commented and I have yet to see any posts that think that the sigle D is a good system.
Now I have to ask, if all of us amateur coaches (and I include myself) think it should be changed, and we have three professional coaches behind the bench that continue that system, what are we missing?
I have to believe that they know better than we do, so what are we missing???

The thing is, though, that they are not 100% continuing that system, as evidenced by the Leonard/Bradley/Bubela/Zalewski/Lee combination. I think they very well understand that the 4-1 has not been very strong for us in the past couple of years, and it wouldn't surprise me if this has been prototyped while in practice, and they finally got it to a point where they felt comfortable trying it in a game.

To answer your question: personnel and practice time. Granted we have some ideas on personnel amongst ourselves, but the latter still remains.