RPI Hockey 2012-2013 Part II: You Better Starting Posting the Engineer Way

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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Yeah, I read that, and I thought about all the other times a team official said that an injury was day to day and it was weeks before we saw the player back in action.
Just a long time sports fan being sceptical, sorry.

Conversely, Union's keeper was thought to be out with a knee for a long period of time, but missed just 1-2 games, IIC. I believe the injury status included the coaches wanting Kazzy to be evaluated by team docs upon return to Cap. Dist. Sometimes (especially on the road) the coaches just don't have a good handle on the injury...hence the day to day status.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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Equal parts Wilcox, and Troy Record, namely Kevin Moran.

More than enough blame to go around -- including Mr. Big Head himself -- who as anyone who has met him will tell you, whas never been shy about giving you his opinion...solicited or not. This along with his inability to let go of the Hockey East decision, influencing/meddling in the admission process, coupled with the "incident" was all the ammo the admin. needed to pave the way for his demise. No matter, it is all water under the bridge now. We all have our flaws.

 

[RKarger]

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You are probably right. I too heard the interview. I also read the night before when SA indicated that it was not easy to get Kasdorf's shoulder back in place.
I will believe the extent of the injury when he is back on the ice playing.

The pre-game chat on the SCSU video feed said they talked to Kasdorf and they couldn't get his shoulder in at the rink so he had to go to the hospital so they could do it there.

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

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The pre-game chat on the SCSU video feed said they talked to Kasdorf and they couldn't get his shoulder in at the rink so he had to go to the hospital so they could do it there.

That is what I heard, and that is the reason why this injury might be worse than a short term thing.
Believe me, I want him back in the net as soon as possible, I just don't think that we know when that might be yet.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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The pre-game chat on the SCSU video feed said they talked to Kasdorf and they couldn't get his shoulder in at the rink so he had to go to the hospital so they could do it there.

That does not sound at all pleasant....ouch. Hope Kazzy isnt out for an extended period.

 

[DrDemento]

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The pre-game chat on the SCSU video feed said they talked to Kasdorf and they couldn't get his shoulder in at the rink so he had to go to the hospital so they could do it there.

RK-With many shoulder dislocations that is not at all uncommon. The musculature around the shoulder (and ligaments/tendons) are just so well developed and tense that it can be almost impossible to slide the shoulder back into place (usually slipping the head of the humerus into and below the acromium process). Often is has to be done with the muscles relaxed-under anesthesia. If this is the first episode of a dislocation for Kaz then he not only could recover rapidly-it may not happen easily again and could have just been a fluke from forcing his arm into a weird position under severe pressure. However, if this has happened to him before, or happened with little provocation, and of course we have no way of knowing, it can easily become a recurrent problem. In those cases shoulder reconstruction which tightens the girdle of musculature holding the joint in place is done-the recovery time for this surgery as you can imagine can be quite prolonged. Obviously i am hopeful that this turns out to be no big deal-this kid is just too good to lose for any length of time.

 

[AspyDad]

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RK-With many shoulder dislocations that is not at all uncommon. The musculature around the shoulder (and ligaments/tendons) are just so well developed and tense that it can be almost impossible to slide the shoulder back into place (usually slipping the head of the humerus into and below the acromium process). Often is has to be done with the muscles relaxed-under anesthesia. If this is the first episode of a dislocation for Kaz then he not only could recover rapidly-it may not happen easily again and could have just been a fluke from forcing his arm into a weird position under severe pressure. However, if this has happened to him before, or happened with little provocation, and of course we have no way of knowing, it can easily become a recurrent problem. In those cases shoulder reconstruction which tightens the girdle of musculature holding the joint in place is done-the recovery time for this surgery as you can imagine can be quite prolonged. Obviously i am hopeful that this turns out to be no big deal-this kid is just too good to lose for any length of time.

You get this on no other thread.

 

[DrDemento]

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You get this on no other thread.

I don't know much about too many things-but medicine has been my total obsession for the past 47 years. If i don't have the answer right away I certainly know who to ask. I have a few other areas of expertise-but for most things I just ask Jenny. It is just an experience to sit next to her watching Jeopardy. The more obscure the topic-the more she knows about it. She has just read everything. I, on the other hand, have either read medical books and journals or magazines with centerfolds in them.
BTW Aspy-give our best to TB and hope all is well. Happy New Year to you guys and your families.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Still a TUC http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-men/

Probably mainly due to SCCC losing to Vermont, we dropped out of the TUC list. SCCC on the otherhand dropped to 16th due to the loss (and perhaps the 2 TUC wins vs us).

Actually the poor performance overall by the ECAC on Saturday wasn't good for the league.

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

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RK-With many shoulder dislocations that is not at all uncommon. The musculature around the shoulder (and ligaments/tendons) are just so well developed and tense that it can be almost impossible to slide the shoulder back into place (usually slipping the head of the humerus into and below the acromium process). Often is has to be done with the muscles relaxed-under anesthesia. If this is the first episode of a dislocation for Kaz then he not only could recover rapidly-it may not happen easily again and could have just been a fluke from forcing his arm into a weird position under severe pressure. However, if this has happened to him before, or happened with little provocation, and of course we have no way of knowing, it can easily become a recurrent problem. In those cases shoulder reconstruction which tightens the girdle of musculature holding the joint in place is done-the recovery time for this surgery as you can imagine can be quite prolonged. Obviously i am hopeful that this turns out to be no big deal-this kid is just too good to lose for any length of time.

Thanks for the evaluation Doc. I thought that because it was so hard to get back into place that it was a bad thing. Now I know that it doesn't have to be.
It is good to know that we hve medical staff on this thread.

 

[AspyDad]

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BTW Aspy-give our best to TB and hope all is well. Happy New Year to you guys and your families.

Doc, Tb and I send our best wishes to you and your lovely lady. I think we will make it to Hobey Baker to see you guys. TB is well and following Dr.'s orders. He always considers you his primary

 

[DrDemento]

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Doc, Tb and I send our best wishes to you and your lovely lady. I think we will make it to Hobey Baker to see you guys. TB is well and following Dr.'s orders. He always considers you his primary

Then this doctor's orders are to rest, imbibe potent liquids to keep his blood thin (strongly suggest Van Gogh vodka but Harvey's Bristol Cream sherry will suffice), take lots of opiates for pain and to dull the senses, and have as much sex as he can (hopefully with a partner). Wishing everyone well and hope to see you.

 

[DrDemento]

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Thanks for the evaluation Doc. I thought that because it was so hard to get back into place that it was a bad thing. Now I know that it doesn't have to be.
It is good to know that we hve medical staff on this thread.

EHF: Actually the more difficult it is to get a dislocated shoulder back into place-the better prognosis it might be. If it slips back in too easily-then it is very likely to come back out the same way even under only minor stretching or trauma. This may sound a tad gross, but if it takes tremendous force to put it back into place, and you actually feel the sudden pop as it slips in-that can be a much better prognostic sign. What i have no clue about-besuse i have never played goal in hockey-is the kinds of athletic stress that the shoulder is put under during practice and even more so in a game. Certain sports and certain positional play in those sports give rise to a particular set of injuries. I have to admit ignorance when it comes to hockey goaltenders. Most of the shoulder injuries i have seen in my career were baseball pitchers, tennis players, boxers and wrestlers.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Hopefully this team doesn't suffer a letdown after the two games vs SCSU or looks ahead to BU and UNH next weekend, and takes Sacred Heart lightly. SHU might be winless, but this is the type of situation in which RPI traditionally plays their worst. I had to look up the details, but I recall for example the winter of 67-68 when RPI was getting out of the depths of the previous two seasons, had an 8-3 record, had just beaten MTU, Harvard, and BU, and then fell on its face vs. ECAC-II Middlebury which started a decline for the rest of the season.

BTW, it certainly is interesting scheduling to have this game among the other four.

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

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Then this doctor's orders are to rest, imbibe potent liquids to keep his blood thin (strongly suggest Van Gogh vodka but Harvey's Bristol Cream sherry will suffice), take lots of opiates for pain and to dull the senses, and have as much sex as he can (hopefully with a partner). Wishing everyone well and hope to see you.

Where were you when I needed you. I have had both shoulders operated on and a tendon in my hand reattached along with various illnesses in my lifetime, and outside of the "rest" recomendation, my doctors never prescribed the rest of your suggestions.
Too bad for me.

 

[DrDemento]

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Where were you when I needed you. I have had both shoulders operated on and a tendon in my hand reattached along with various illnesses in my lifetime, and outside of the "rest" recomendation, my doctors never prescribed the rest of your suggestions.
Too bad for me.

EHF: Although it has become very unpopular now-I am still a very great believer in two medical maxims. First, do no harm (if you are not going to make something better, for G0D's sake do not make it worse). And second-relieve suffering regardless of what you have to prescribe. No patient of mine would ever be allowed to remain in pain if I had any way to stop it. Too often now practitioners are being controlled in their prescribing habits-but in my mind there is no excuse to allow anyone to feel more pain than they have to. When i had my shoulder done all they wanted to do was rush me for physical therapy. That's fine if you need to be in a hurry to get back into work or a sport. I had the luxury of allowing things to heal a bit and told them to just lessen the discomfort and let me slowly work the shoulder back into shape. As far as those other recommendations-well, let's just say it part of the art of medicine.

 

[Manistee Rambler]

I'm pretty sure you're right that Watson was injured in that game, though I don't remember whether a penalty was called or not.

He certainly didn't wear a full face mask with birdcage wiring such as college players wear today, but he did have a plastic guard around his jaw to provide him with some protection. The plastic guard was white. Since it was customary in those days for the home team to wear their colored sweaters, it was virtually impossible to watch Dale play in his red sweater, red helmet, and white jaw guard without thinking of Santa Claus.

I recall it was the Ohio State game that Dale was hurt in. I drove down from Plattsburgh for that game

 

[Downstate_RIT_Fan]

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Hopefully this team doesn't suffer a letdown after the two games vs SCSU or looks ahead to BU and UNH next weekend, and takes Sacred Heart lightly. SHU might be winless, but this is the type of situation in which RPI traditionally plays their worst. I had to look up the details, but I recall for example the winter of 67-68 when RPI was getting out of the depths of the previous two seasons, had an 8-3 record, had just beaten MTU, Harvard, and BU, and then fell on its face vs. ECAC-II Middlebury which started a decline for the rest of the season.

BTW, it certainly is interesting scheduling to have this game among the other four.

Your concern is warranted. I believe Sacred Heart was 0 - 11 last year when it beat Yale which only had one loss at the time.

 

[ServinisScores]

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That is the first time I ever heard that. As far as I can recall they remained friendly even after Addesa left.
Lots of things happened beneath the surface during that whole sad affair. I doubt if anyone actually knows all the details. A very sad time for the program and the school.

Jasma, I'm pretty sure Moran and the Record ran daily articles stoking the fire. Did Matt Graves do the same in the TU - I can't remember.

As far as Ducatte having an axe to grind against Mike, that is laughable. Ducatte did the heavy lifting to get scholarships established, let the marginal students/recruits through admissions, both at Addesa's behest. Pretty sure they were together at the 25th reunion.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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I recall it was the Ohio State game that Dale was hurt in. I drove down from Plattsburgh for that game

Do you mean Ohio University? Although I don't recall when it happened, that game makes more sense because I don't think it was as early in the season as the Cornell game.


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