RPI 2013 Part V: Who Wants Screech?

[Red Cloud]

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Grussinko stick to what you know.

He was.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I'm just talking about the playoffs, from the outside looking in it seems like the extra pressure is too much for the team if the coach is unable to keep locked away from outside distractions.
Maybe the team needs to find a way to get back to playing 2-3 tournaments during a season to get used to lose and you're out situations and not be bothered by the pressure.

One of the issues with that is, with the way tournaments and games are scheduled in this day and age, there is no true "lose and you're out" situation that can be experienced outside of the playoffs. Either tournaments have set opponents, or you're guaranteed two games (even with the exempt Icebreaker). In addition, the Union rule also makes it so that you don't really have anything to play for in the regular season. Perhaps the men's league needs to take a hint from the women's league and adjust so that only the top 8 make the playoffs.

That having been said, you do have a point regarding extra pressure. One reason we had playoffs success (in terms of series won) in 2009 and 2012 was that we were in the basement at the end of both seasons and truly had nothing to lose. This is why it is always important to just play our game out there.

 

[engineerhockeyfan]

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Wow, all this hate. Put it this way. This disappointing feeling, although sucks, is actually sort of a good thing. It means RPI fans had something to cheer for all season, much different than in the lean years when the team had no expectations and ANY playoff win was icing on the cake. This team is going to be fun to watch in the upcoming years. In the end, they didn't get the job done, I;m sure that doesn't sit well with Seth, the players, the parents, and certainly the fans. No use getting the panties in a bunch, there is nothing that we, as fans and followers of the team, can do. Let the haters hate, it just goes to show that they have nothing better to do. Enjoy the season the was, rather than wallow in the season that could have been. I for one am happy that I get to watch, and broadcast, for this team (almost) every weekend. They had a great year, better than they had in years, and everyone is wallowing. Don't, you'll be much healthier for it.

Well said Jericho. This team gave it their all, and came up short. No excuses. We had a very good year with a lot to cheer for.
The core of this team is in its underclassmen. So we can expect another two or more years of excellent hockey.
The program is going in the right direction.

 

[lugnut92]

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On the bracketology thread from 10,000 Monte Carlo simulations, Patman has predicted we have an 8.37% chance of making it. He has assumed that every game outcome is equally likely.

When there are about 390,000 possible ways for the tournaments to play out, an unweighted simulation of that few trials doesn't mean much. Our chances could be a bit better (or worse) with a more complete simulation.

 

[sshablak]

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From January you guys had one of the best records in hockey. You're not dead yet. Going forward you have alot to be excited abou

 

[Mike Hutter]

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Just a comment about the RPI fans at Sunday's game - Tremendous support for your team. I have been to dozens of games at HFH and never before have I seen how much the crowd was behind the team. I am convinced that the crowd noise and support willed RPI to get those two quick goals at the end of the 2nd, and as well that if the period continued RPI would have tacked on 2 more. For the players it must feel good to have that support. I only wish that at Brown the fans would give that support.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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When there are about 390,000 possible ways for the tournaments to play out, an unweighted simulation of that few trials doesn't mean much. Our chances could be a bit better (or worse) with a more complete simulation.

I realize that it doesn't mean much because of the weighting. 10K/390K should be OK for at least one digit accuracy. I.e., 8%. The problem about weighting is how to you weight? One thing that kills us of course is autobids going to times with no other chance. Those are figured in as 25% of course (and he is getting at least two digit accuracy on that). Does Brown really have a 25% chance of winning the tourney; does each of the 3 AHA schools not named Niagara really have a 25% change. My gut feeling is no, and so our chances are somewhat better than 8%, but still not good.

i will be interested when the weighted results are run.

 

[DarthBruno]

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I only wish that at Brown the fans would give that support.

If we keep this up for a few more years, perhaps they will.

It takes time and consistent winning records to rebuild a robust fan base, especially at an ultra-diverse school like Brown. When I was just a young Skywalker, Brown's student body was much more homogeneous, and hockey games were THE social events of the winter weekends. Everyone except hopeless grinds went to Meehan -- hours before game time.

Also, our band was full of pep and brass and blasphemy back then -- a big plus. Today's Brown band basically phones it in, if they show up at all. (Memo to trumpet players: You're supposed to aim your instruments UP, not at your shoelaces. Also: How the hell is "Stacy's Mom" a stirring fight song?)

Ditto what you said about RPI fans, Mike. Also, their student TV coverage of the games is awesome. Thanks, Engineers!


- Darth

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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If we keep this up for a few more years, perhaps they will.

It takes time and consistent winning records to rebuild a robust fan base, especially at an ultra-diverse school like Brown. When I was just a young Skywalker, Brown's student body was much more homogeneous, and hockey games were THE social events of the winter weekends. Everyone except hopeless grinds went to Meehan -- hours before game time.

Also, our band was full of pep and brass and blasphemy back then -- a big plus. Today's Brown band basically phones it in, if they show up at all. (Memo to trumpet players: You're supposed to aim your instruments UP, not at your shoelaces. Also: How the hell is "Stacy's Mom" a stirring fight song?)

Ditto what you said about RPI fans, Mike. Also, their student TV coverage of the games is awesome. Thanks, Engineers!


- Darth

Hey come now, she's got it going on!

When I went to Meehan about 6 years ago, I don't think your band showed up. Perhaps the students are more concerned with basketball or wrestling than they are hockey? Granted, a number of years in the doldrums doesn't exactly help matters, as I'm sure the city folk would rather follow either PC or the AHL Bruins when it comes to hockey.

 

[aweise]

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From January you guys had one of the best records in hockey. You're not dead yet. Going forward you have alot to be excited abou

I know it's no consolation, but I'll echo this sentiment. You guys had a great run to the end of the season and deserved to go farther. When my fellow STHs thought Union would have a good chance at beating RPI in the playoffs, I kept telling them that RPI scared me to the point where I didn't want Union to play them at all.

Keep the heads up...don't throw any computers at the wall. Your time will come again.

 

[lugnut92]

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I realize that it doesn't mean much because of the weighting. 10K/390K should be OK for at least one digit accuracy. I.e., 8%. The problem about weighting is how to you weight? One thing that kills us of course is autobids going to times with no other chance. Those are figured in as 25% of course (and he is getting at least two digit accuracy on that). Does Brown really have a 25% chance of winning the tourney; does each of the 3 AHA schools not named Niagara really have a 25% change. My gut feeling is no, and so our chances are somewhat better than 8%, but still not good.

i will be interested when the weighted results are run.

Weight by KRACH, of course. Brown's chances of winning the Whitelaw by KRACH are about 10%. Niagara's chances of winning the AHA are about 46%.

 

[jmhusker]

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I realize that it doesn't mean much because of the weighting. 10K/390K should be OK for at least one digit accuracy. I.e., 8%. The problem about weighting is how to you weight? One thing that kills us of course is autobids going to times with no other chance. Those are figured in as 25% of course (and he is getting at least two digit accuracy on that). Does Brown really have a 25% chance of winning the tourney; does each of the 3 AHA schools not named Niagara really have a 25% change. My gut feeling is no, and so our chances are somewhat better than 8%, but still not good.

i will be interested when the weighted results are run.

I wouldn't say that our chances are good but I would not say that they are not good either. If you run the pairwise predictor and pick all favorites, we are in. We are tied for 16th with BU, Providence, Wisco and Alaska and we all have 13 PWR points. From what I can see, we cannot go lower than 13 as they are locked in (with the exception of Michigan or UCONN falling off the TUC Cliff which impacts all teams equally). A closer look at flippable comparisons paints a much better picture for us than it does for most of the others. AK cannot gain any from what I can see. Wisco is in a similar boat unless they go deep in the playoffs. BU and Providence are both underdogs and one of them cannot do better than .500 from here out. We've got realistic chances to flip with Notre Dame, BU, PC and a shot at Union. Most of the other teams on the bubble cannot go upward without running the table through some stiff competition.

So while I don't think there is a "good" chance, I'm willing to bet that a true simulation that takes relative strength into account puts us well above 8%. Without running the numbers.... I would expect something like 30-40% but would not be surprised if it is as high as 50%.

 

[Red Cloud]

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The problem about weighting is how to you weight?

KRACH, natch.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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KRACH, natch.

Yes, it is the obvious choice, and there probably isn't anything better to pick, but it doesn't consider the fact that some teams (e.g. QU) have really nothing to play for.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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From January you guys had one of the best records in hockey. You're not dead yet. Going forward you have alot to be excited abou

Thanks for the thoughts Shabby....I think the same can be said of 'Gate going forward --lots of upside. See you guys in the fall.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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I know it's no consolation, but I'll echo this sentiment. You guys had a great run to the end of the season and deserved to go farther. When my fellow STHs thought Union would have a good chance at beating RPI in the playoffs, I kept telling them that RPI scared me to the point where I didn't want Union to play them at all.

Keep the heads up...don't throw any computers at the wall. Your time will come again.

Thanks AW - classy post. Good luck in the tourney....hope you kick the crap out if Bruno, if it comes to that...

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

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Wow, all this hate. Put it this way. This disappointing feeling, although sucks, is actually sort of a good thing. It means RPI fans had something to cheer for all season, much different than in the lean years when the team had no expectations and ANY playoff win was icing on the cake. This team is going to be fun to watch in the upcoming years. In the end, they didn't get the job done, I;m sure that doesn't sit well with Seth, the players, the parents, and certainly the fans. No use getting the panties in a bunch, there is nothing that we, as fans and followers of the team, can do. Let the haters hate, it just goes to show that they have nothing better to do. Enjoy the season the was, rather than wallow in the season that could have been. I for one am happy that I get to watch, and broadcast, for this team (almost) every weekend. They had a great year, better than they had in years, and everyone is wallowing. Don't, you'll be much healthier for it.

Great post Jericho. I'm disappointed as all heck- but proud of the run that our guys went on...a fun ride. Hope we can start the season with the kind of mojo they had going down the stretch. I'll lick my wounds and probably just lurk here for awhile.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Thanks AW - classy post. Good luck in the tourney....hope you kick the crap out if Bruno, if it comes to that...

Hopefully you add "unless RPI making the NCAA tourney ends up hinging on that."

 

[Wholin1]

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I was at the game last night and RPI deserved a better fate, no doubt. Even though I had no dog in that fight, I was on the edge of my seat for the final 20. I agree that the fan support was palpable. Both Union and RPI being at AC would have been a blast although I wanted no part of RPI, that's a very dangerous group and will be making plenty of noise in seasons to come. Also, I really feel badly for Bailen missing his last game like he did, it has to be a very tough way to end a spectacular career.

 

[Red Cloud]

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Yes, it is the obvious choice, and there probably isn't anything better to pick, but it doesn't consider the fact that some teams (e.g. QU) have really nothing to play for.

How about an ECAC championship?