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RPI 2011 - 12 Part IV: We ain't Bailen on this season yet, Go Red!!

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I don't think the team has enough individual talent. There's some, but the incoming talent hasn't matched what's left in the last 2+ seasons.

I don't think this is a team. Effort remains uneven, shift to shift, period to period. A few upperclassmen are still mailing it in.

Lastly, the coach appears a little lost. He has been making these passive-aggressive quotes in the paper a lot this year. Another well known RPI coach would do that early in his career. However, the players don't appear to be responding to this as they did to Coach. Seth appears, both in person, and in print, a bit lost. He is not in a good position. I hope he pulls out of it, fast.
 
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Interested said:
Wow , Let's blame the captains people that's it , why not , you don't see the real picture here anyway so ya it's the captains fault . How many 3-2's have we converted on ? How many shots have we had from a 3-2 ? How many conversions have we had with 2-1's ? Do we know how to play a 3-2 or a 2-1 ? How has the powerplay been ? Has it changed much through the unsuccessful year ? How has the puck support been ? Are we playing on the defensive side of the puck or do we get sucked to the offensive side of the puck and end up chasing ? How has the flow been through the neautral zone ? Are we getting flow and attacking the puck in the offensive end , no because all the forwards always have to stop at the blueline because the puck hasn't been dumped at the right time ! These are just a few of many examples i could bring up . The game is won and lost by the "little" things done in the game , we are so bad at the little things it is almost embarrasing to watch . We can't even make two consectutive passes from one end to the other ! I have seen bantam teams play better away from the puck and generate flow . It is the captains fault that's it let's pick them today !! Let's maybe look at the boys thought process and ask were that comes from !! The mental part of the game drives the physical body and it isn't happening , must be the captains fault !! I am sick of hearing it is the leaders , all the time , it is a team game and is won and lost by the whole team so don't be so judgemental towards the captains , because you could have any captain on this team and it will not change a thing until the thought procces changes and that comes from proper execution and proper execution comes from practice and practice comes from the coaches !! Just my thoughts , be nice :)
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You misunderstand me. I am not blaming the captains, I am not blaming anyone. The team is in turmoil. Watch the coach in this interview, he doesn't have a clue. He can't even look straight into the camera.
My suggestion in changing captains, is only to make a change that will get everyones attention. There is a lot of potential going to waste here this season.
Do you have a suggestion on how we unleash that?
 
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Interested said:
Wow , Let's blame the captains people that's it , why not , you don't see the real picture here anyway so ya it's the captains fault . How many 3-2's have we converted on ? How many shots have we had from a 3-2 ? How many conversions have we had with 2-1's ? Do we know how to play a 3-2 or a 2-1 ? How has the powerplay been ? Has it changed much through the unsuccessful year ? How has the puck support been ? Are we playing on the defensive side of the puck or do we get sucked to the offensive side of the puck and end up chasing ? How has the flow been through the neautral zone ? Are we getting flow and attacking the puck in the offensive end , no because all the forwards always have to stop at the blueline because the puck hasn't been dumped at the right time ! These are just a few of many examples i could bring up . The game is won and lost by the "little" things done in the game , we are so bad at the little things it is almost embarrasing to watch . We can't even make two consectutive passes from one end to the other ! I have seen bantam teams play better away from the puck and generate flow . It is the captains fault that's it let's pick them today !! Let's maybe look at the boys thought process and ask were that comes from !! The mental part of the game drives the physical body and it isn't happening , must be the captains fault !! I am sick of hearing it is the leaders , all the time , it is a team game and is won and lost by the whole team so don't be so judgemental towards the captains , because you could have any captain on this team and it will not change a thing until the thought procces changes and that comes from proper execution and proper execution comes from practice and practice comes from the coaches !! Just my thoughts , be nice :)
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You are 100% correct. It is one thing to talk about the process, it is another thing to teach and execute the process. What are your thoughts Aspy since this is your......well you know!:)
 
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sk8tronthepond said:
You are 100% correct. It is one thing to talk about the process, it is another thing to teach and execute the process. What are your thoughts Aspy since this is your......well you know!:)
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Parker, York, and Marsh didnt become college hockey coaching icons overnight.....they faced years like this Im sure and had to learn from it just like coach appert is doing now. I don't know how the rest of the gang feels, but Im not giving up on him as a head coach just yet.
 
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RPI 2011-12 Part V: Will we even get to a Part VI?
 
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fishcore12 said:
Parker, York, and Marsh didnt become college hockey coaching icons overnight.....they faced years like this Im sure and had to learn from it just like coach appert is doing now.
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You're right.....I do not take you seriously!
 
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hockeymascot said:
Are you kidding me??:eek: You cannot even attempt to compare SA to these three storied coaches at this point in his career. Let's see where he is at in another 20 years!
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Thats why I said didnt become coaching icons overnight...meaning they had to start at the bottom....Im sorry if that came off as me saying he is like those three sure fire hall of famers. Besides if I said Troy wasnt built overnight, Im sure someone on here would have said I was wrong.
 
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fishcore12 said:
Thats why I said didnt become coaching icons overnight...meaning they had to start at the bottom....Im sorry if that came off as me saying he is like those three sure fire hall of famers.
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So basically what you are saying, is that the RPI hockey program is a stepping stone for an aspiring coach? Come in and you will be allowed to make mistakes until you become more experienced to win? If I remember correctly, thinking way back to when SA took this job, he stated that everything was in place to win right away. As a matter of fact, players like Kevin Broad couldn't wait to put the jersey on and play for SA. If you ask me, this team does not play like a motivated team!
 
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sk8tronthepond said:
You are 100% correct. It is one thing to talk about the process, it is another thing to teach and execute the process. What are your thoughts Aspy since this is your......well you know!:)
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I will finish your sentence for you... our great coach. I don't make it my practice to come on here and trash 20 yr old kids but there are several players in leadership roles that need to look themselves in the mirror. One player got in the unnecessary scrum that almost led to penatlies in the 1st and got kicked out of the faceoff circle several times after. He needs to lead by example for the underclassmen. There is a responsiblity from one of the older players in the D-Corps to set the tone for the guys on the blue line by not taking unncessary penalties like he has been taking all year. I don't see coach walking away from this season...I see someone soul searching and trying to figure it out. Has he made mistakes, surely..losing is a team concept but he has admitted them.

BTW - Both of the players I talk about have contributed greatly to the program and on the little interaction I have had with them been fine young men.
 
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hockeymascot said:
So basically what you are saying, is that the RPI hockey program is a stepping stone for an aspiring coach? Come in and you will be allowed to make mistakes until you become more experienced to win? If I remember correctly, thinking way back to when SA took this job, he stated that everything was in place to win right away. As a matter of fact, players like Kevin Broad couldn't wait to put the jersey on and play for SA. If you ask me, this team does not play like a motivated team!
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If we stay in the ECAC then yeah it will be a stepping stone. Mistakes happen, bad years happen, there is nothing you or I can do about it (unless you have some direct connection to the team). Motivation comes from inside, not from what someone says or does. Coach can give all the speeches and throw stuff and yell but for all we know it may be going right thru the heads of the players.....I usually stay out of debates like this because it goes nowhere in the end and that in the big picture of everything this is just a game and yes Im a die hard long time fan but in the end I know that it is a game and a game only.
 
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hockeymascot said:
So basically what you are saying, is that the RPI hockey program is a stepping stone for an aspiring coach? Come in and you will be allowed to make mistakes until you become more experienced to win? If I remember correctly, thinking way back to when SA took this job, he stated that everything was in place to win right away. As a matter of fact, players like Kevin Broad couldn't wait to put the jersey on and play for SA. If you ask me, this team does not play like a motivated team!
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I don't recall SA stating that RPI had everything in place to win right away. The most positive comment on that line was something to the effect of the cupboard not being bare. I do recall some of the players stating that they were looking forward to playing for SA, but I don't remember who.
 
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I do not want to sound trite when I say that we should all take a step back and have a bit of compasssion with the coach and players. The post game interview was clearly had to watch and we need to all understand that everyone is doing the best they can in the current situation. Players and coaches that make it to this level are there because they are extremely competitive. We all know at times in our lives when things weren't going well and let's face it-it is hard to pull yourself out at times. These are good and talented young men and I am not going to critique a coach on a hockey thread. I can assure you no one in that locker room wants this team to be in the position that they are in and are doing everything they can to climb out. Let's give them a break and let the coach and players have some breathing room and stay supportive. What is the saying-if you have nothing good to say don't say it at all. It doesn't help the team having additional pressure and really what they need is confidence and support. We can do better.
 
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AspyDad said:
I will finish your sentence for you... our great coach. I don't make it my practice to come on here and trash 20 yr old kids but there are several players in leadership roles that need to look themselves in the mirror. One player got in the unnecessary scrum that almost led to penatlies in the 1st and got kicked out of the faceoff circle several times after. He needs to lead by example for the underclassmen. There is a responsiblity from one of the older players in the D-Corps to set the tone for the guys on the blue line by not taking unncessary penalties like he has been taking all year. I don't see coach walking away from this season...I see someone soul searching and trying to figure it out. Has he made mistakes, surely..losing is a team concept but he has admitted them.

BTW - Both of the players I talk about have contributed greatly to the program and on the little interaction I have had with them been fine young men.
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well put.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I don't recall SA stating that RPI had everything in place to win right away. The most positive comment on that line was something to the effect of the cupboard not being bare. I do recall some of the players stating that they were looking forward to playing for SA, but I don't remember who.
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Generally it's the goalies mentioning that it's great for them that the head coach is also the goal coach-I think I recall Kasdorf and maybe Diebold commenting on it.
 
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ServinisScores said:
I don't think the team has enough individual talent. There's some, but the incoming talent hasn't matched what's left in the last 2+ seasons.

I don't think this is a team. Effort remains uneven, shift to shift, period to period. A few upperclassmen are still mailing it in.

Lastly, the coach appears a little lost. He has been making these passive-aggressive quotes in the paper a lot this year. Another well known RPI coach would do that early in his career. However, the players don't appear to be responding to this as they did to Coach. Seth appears, both in person, and in print, a bit lost. He is not in a good position. I hope he pulls out of it, fast.
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This. I remember mentioning to a friend at the beginning of the season that we had five skaters on the ice, not a team, and that was part of our problem scoring goals. Now we're starting to get some chemistry and the goals are coming, but the lack of communication continues and now the defense is where it hurts. I don't doubt that these guys get along well and are the best of friends off the ice, but for some reason something's not clicking when they play.

I disagree slightly with your first point though-this team has a lot of talent, and I think that's what makes it all the more frustrating that they're getting the results they have been. If they weren't great players, we'd chalk it up to that and move on. But we all know they can be better, and we've seen flashes of it-especially against Dartmouth last week. So it's a little incomprehensible when they let the mental part of the game get in the way of how they really need to play and win. However, I do understand that when you let something get in your head it can be very hard to shake it-opponents scoring goals seems to do terrible things to our guys, and instead of making them double their efforts, it causes them to play more timidly from fear of screwing up. I think Appert sees that this is one of our biggest problems, but he's at a loss as to how to fix it. Unfortunately, with this coaching can only go so far, and it's up to individuals themselves to fix-like Higgs mentioned. I agree with FlagDUDE-after watching that interview I was convinced he'd end up with a letter in the near future.
 
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REDaero91 said:
Generally it's the goalies mentioning that it's great for them that the head coach is also the goal coach-I think I recall Kasdorf and maybe Diebold commenting ont it.
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I think that the post I was quoting was referring to the players who were around when SA took the job, not more recent ones.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I think that the post I was quoting was referring to the players who were around when SA took the job, not more recent ones.
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Ah. I wasn't around for that, but will of course take your word for it! If you remember/find the reasons they were excited about playing for him, I would love to hear them. I still think he's a great coach, but is clearly struggling this year, and I'd be interested on hearing a player's take on what makes him such a good coach.
 
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